MushmanTheManic said:

Abstract concepts or spiritual experiences are entirely confirmed within the experience itself

1. How can you experience an abstract concept?

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2. How can an experience confirm itself? (Seems like begging the question.)

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MushmanTheManic said:

If your entire experience confirmed your nature of being as a bird, then you would not logically have any hesitations anyway, because you would not know any other way of looking at yourself.

What if my entire experience hadn't confirmed this? What if I woke up one morning with wings and a beak? Does it seem more probable that I am hallucinating - my perception is different from reality - or that I have actually become a bird?

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Here, you are still using your experience as a basis for all of reality. You are taking a point in your memory that you are experiencing at the moment, which says that you were something else before, and you are perceiving the present, which says that you have somehow transformed. So how could your perception be different from reality, when the reality you are basing the present on is the perception of the past?

Experience is full of contradictions and conflicting perception, yet you could not be experiencing any of it if you hadn't become conscious of it. If your transformation is, as you claim, an illusion, then how did you become conscious of it? Does something come from nothing- that is, you simply become conscious of nothingness and interpret it as something else? Clearly that cannot be the case, because what you perceive exists at least within your individual experience. And if you are an individual walking through the world who has no way to know what the experience of someone else is like, how could you possibly claim that something is an illusion simply because of contradictions?

It's like Hume's "is-ought problem". We know what is for the individual, based on what we perceive and experience, yet you project that to what ought to be, saying that your perception ought to be different from reality because your memory is telling you that this is not how it always was. But there is no logical connection between what is and what ought to be- that is just an emotional connection created by the confusion of your life. There is no logical reason your perception ought to be different from reality simply because of conflicting versions of your self from the past to the present, as you would just be arbitrarily choosing one or the other, eh?

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To deny integral pieces of the experience as illusion is to create dissociation and fragmentation in the experience rather than accepting the certainty of the experience unconditionally and working to advance yourself in it

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Veritas said:

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that non-dogmatic perception is reality?

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Lots of people like to live inside fuzzy dreams. I cant get over all these westerners talking about how life is just what its meant to be, its fair, everything happens for a reason, etc etc(add more nonsense)

Because living in Canada, its pretty easy to enjoy life, but if I cloud my perception with fuzzy concepts that don't mean anything, do I really know what reality is?

I HATE it when people use spirituality as an excuse to ignore the world NEWSFLASH!! Even REAL Buddhists care about their fellow man, and the environment. So many retards(IMO) keep rambling on and on about divine plans, and gods will these days that it makes me sick.
So what part of gods plan are all the children dieing right now a part of??

Its so easy for us to be so delusional, people read stuff thats so hollow, and fuzzy, then they use it as an excuse to neuter themselves mentally, and socially(as in helping you fellow man, using less etc)