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Invisiblemjshroomer
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Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem?
    #605259 - 04/11/02 12:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

During the past 3 days I have received numerous emails from someone named Mr. G (MasterGrower). He has a spore company and wrote me concerning a possible new species he claims he dicovered. He wanted to know where to send them to be identified.

I gave him Gartz' address in Germany and he send spores and no descriptions except to say they grew in pure sand.

Of course that is impossible without any organic material in the ground.

Gartz told him to get in touch with John Allen.

So Mr. G writes to mjshroomer asking me where he can get in touch with John Allen. Shit! He did not even know we were one and the same person.

Gartz wrote to me about him saying he sent no other descriptions. Then this Mr. G. sends me numerous emails concerning him and his Foggy Mountain Farms and a company in Switzerland which I found had several inacuracies in their website.

He continued to send me emails about Cubensis which he claimed origanted in Cuba and how he discovered the B+ strain and how P. tropicalis also originated in florida while spanish ships were sinking during storms and the cattle form the sinking ships were swimming ashore to the Florida Coast. I corrcted him on many points and in each consecutive letter after his ramblings became more and more incoherent and and confusing and he made statements of which he had no mushroom knowledge watsoever which could be called reliable or any real facts or substance. his letters were comprised of much misinformation about the species he discussed in general thus indicating to me he was full of shit. He knows very little about anything except to flame and irritate.

I tried to be courteous to him in responding to his mails.

Then he wanted Guzman' s address and Gartz' email. Luckilly gartz is too paranoid to have email.

Then he writes me the following two emails. This first one came last night. I answered it that Gartz had written me about his spore sample of an alleged new species and told Mr. G that I would write Gartz back with more information about the description of this hroom.

Here is Mr. G's last night letter to me.

----- it is shroomery policy to not post private mesages and/or emails in the public forums. thank you, captain jack. ----


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605311 - 04/11/02 01:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I am so sorry you got involved with this guy. But your final assessment of his competency is perfect.


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605329 - 04/11/02 01:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I agree that that is a frightening correspondence, but Mr. G is correct when says that he gave the B+ and Treasure Coast to the Hawks Eye...
from www.thehawkseye.com:

"The B+ cubensis has been around for a while. It was brought to us by a growner that went by Mr. G. There was a lot of controversy surrounding this mushroom for so long because Mr. G started off by telling everyone it was an azure/cubensis hybrid. Although at times it does grow some broadly umbonate caps like p. azurescens, it is just a unique cubensis. But a huge thanks to Mr. G, where ever you are these days, for bringing us such a beautiful mushroom."

and:

"Well, here it is, a white cubensis. Pretty isn't it? This white cubensis is a substrain of the Treasure Coast Cubensis from Florida. The Treasure Coast Cubensis was brought to us by the grower for the former FMF, that went by Mr. G. He has done some interesting breeding with the TC strain, and it will throw off 4 different substrains. One of them being this very unique white cubensis"





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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605344 - 04/11/02 01:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

hey mj, musta took you a while to write that post dam that is long........copy and paste though reckon....err !!!!!!somethinmg,hehehe!!!!!hahaha!!!..........later


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: midnitesun]
    #605408 - 04/11/02 02:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes otherwise it would have been much longer had I posted the other ten or so emails from him. Fortunately I deleted them because he was jamming my email box with large attachements , thus making other emails be returned to sender for my lack of space.

Onluy now I wished that I would have kpt them for my files, although they were the

"epitomy of stupidity."

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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605418 - 04/11/02 03:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If I may interject here..... MrG is a piss poor communicator, BUT if I m reading him correctly all he is asking is for credit and respect for bringing us the TC, and B+ strains. Hell PF makes everyone give him credit when they print the PFtek so whats the difference? If I m wrong I m sure i ll get corrected.


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: SouthernGent]
    #605473 - 04/11/02 04:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

well if he wants credit.....

THANKS MAN....heh


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: ParticleMan]
    #605489 - 04/11/02 04:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

he also brought us the "a" strain....


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: LSD_4me]
    #605502 - 04/11/02 04:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

hehehehe well the dude has worse grammar than me but bottom line is i think he just got tired of people sellin his shit and not saying hey you like my TC well MrG is da man who brought it to us. There was so much shit to read I may be wrong though.


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: SouthernGent]
    #605524 - 04/11/02 05:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't discount all of the information the guy is putting forth. Certainly not because he has trouble focusing his thought. He apparently is having multiple conversations with lots of people in the OMC, and is having difficulty remembering who he is talking to at any given time.

I think he has found a new species of mushroom that grows in very sandy soils. I think he did bring the B+ to the OMC. I think he did bring the TC to the OMC. I think he has a field in Florida where Pan. tropicalis grows. I think he also has fields where Pan. cyanescens grow.
He seems to be a nice guy, but has a very short temper!

I seriously doubt cocaine is his problem, though the symptoms are there, any long term Narcotic use can result in similar behavior. Even the use of LEGAL PAIN MEDICATIONS.

I think I set him off first, by asking him what the microscopic differences were that he was using to seperate B+ from the rest of the P. cubensis species complex.
I got a somewhat ambiguous answer to this question, that in the end was very honest. He did not KNOW. He based his seperation on Macroscopic differences, and it's origins.Then just said, if it looks like a cubensis, it isn't the real B+.
Then he started P.M. responses to conversations he was having with other members of this community.
The best I can tell, he is having three seperate conversations.
1. B+
2. The new species he discovered.
3. the tropicalis he discovered in FLORIDA. Via the Pinapple production introduced from HAWAII, with the Pan. cyanescens.
I think he is having trouble distinguishing between these three things, and WHO he has been having these conversations with.

Teonan



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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: ]
    #605539 - 04/11/02 05:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think you are correct.
Except possibly for Mr G being the original source of the B+.
I am not clear on this point.
He did 'popularize' the B+ in the omc.
He did provide other 'vendors' with the 'original' spores.

Mr G has been effectively slandered in the past.
Some of this he brought on himself thru his own communications.

The truth is the truth regardless of how effectively or ineffectively it is told.
We may see the truth here on many points if the truth censors will allow these topics to take their natural course.


Never under estimate the gullability of the idiot element.


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: ]
    #605645 - 04/11/02 08:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Teonan,

Mr. G, in one of his earlier communications to me also went off on the Panaeolus tropicalis bit.

Interestingly, all of the Copelandia's originated in Southeast Asia. The American strains came from cattle brought to the USA by the Spanish and Portugese sailors in the 1middle and late 1800s. Cattle were only introduced into the Hawaiian archipelego in the early 1793 and 1794 by the British Captain George Vancouve. Now I lived in hawaii for twelve years and no mushrooms grow in the soil of Pineapples anywhere in the islands. They do however grow in pasture and grazing lands and along mountain sides up to tyhe four thousand meter level. But are also very common at sea level.

Besides, the soil where pineapples are grown is too acidity. and there are no cattle in pineapple fields, The pineappes would hurt the skin of the cttles legs if rubbed against them causing blistering.

The Copelandia's are a manure or dung-inhabitng species and Copelandia tropicalis has only been mentioned twice in Hawaii. Once by Freeman Rhoades, a Mycology teacher from Lane Community College in Eugene Oregon and that was only briefly mentioned in a published paper by Dr. Steven Pollock in 1974 which appeared in the Journal of Pychoactive Drugs.

In twelve years of collecting numerous collections of Copelandia, made available all over the world to researches I personally only collect a total of six collections and more than 2000 collections of C. cyanescens and a few of C. cambodgeniensis. We never found any C. anomala which Pollock also reported from HAwaii. This was on all ranches on Oahu, 17 locations on Maui, two on the big Island and none from Kuaui.

So as for the pineapple story, that is a figment of this kids imagination. He also told me really strange stories of Spanish ships and cttle swiming tot he shrores to bring spores to Florida.

Apparently the P. tropicalis he sent Workman turned out to be P. cyanescnes and nothing more. This started a flame war between the two.

But when you hear him pull that

"I thin azurescens is a subspecies of cubensis.

HE is the one I bet ho also was selling the Hawaiian strains of Copelandia cyanescens with pictures of PSilocybe cyanescens to sellt he mushroo spores and then calling it a Hawaiian strain of P. cubensis.

So I cannot understand him.

In another letter he mention that the Copes were weak mushrooms and had too much water in them. Well many users in Hawaii who eat these Copelandia mushrooms ovr and over and over develope an intense tolerance and many users eat from fifty to 200-300 mushrooms to get high. That would actually get 20 to thirty people hoigh who have never eaten them before.

So like I said. Kudos for his B+ strain, but the rest is the Epitomy of Stupidity.

Sorry thats just my opinion. What do I know.

mj

It there are typos here I will repair them later. mj


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605683 - 04/11/02 08:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Mr. G's the real shit. You'd do well to not judge him or those with whom he associates by their use of our language. Try to read through the frustration and lack of style with a smile. I must add, also, that though Mr. G is responsible for original distribution of the B+ strain it is not his own creation. I think Workman once told an intricate story to someone I knew once...yeah they talked a lot. Right? Ware to the gerundive. Peace.


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605890 - 04/12/02 01:16 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

So WHERE did Hawk get his tropicalis from? From you?

I assumed that the cyanescens would have come with the same catlle that brought the cubensis.
If tropicalis exists in Hawaii, it is possible that it was introduced into FLORIDA, the same time the Pinapple was introduced. Not from the plants, but from the cattle that might have come with it!!! The area of Florida that Mr. G lives had pinapple plantations. Was a possibility.

I have gotten spores of these "tropicalis" from Hawk, via a third party, and also directly from Mr. G. I will take a gander at the two under the scope, but will have to wait for actual mushrooms to grow, to examine the entire gill surface. Mr. G claims he sent Hawk the tropicalis. So if it is real for Hawk, it must be real for Mr. G. Unless someone else gave Hawk the tropicalis.

I am by no means taking anysides here. Just trying to accumulate REAL species, of known origin!!!!


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #605924 - 04/12/02 01:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Mj, do you think you could re-edit your first post? there is alot of duplication in it.. i would do it for you, but I cant.. (several of the long emails are there twice..)
Mr G.'s name has been thrown around with alot of strange connotations in the past.. His writing is horrendous. Language is, unfortunately, our primary method of communication outside of direct interaction. Perhaps some remedial english would be in order. But language has little to say of knowledge, especially of some particular discipline, although in general if you can't describe it you have difficulty understanding it. Excepting emotions, of course.
There are strains of mushrooms which fruit only in sand, king tuber (pleurotus tuberregium) if I am not mistaken, is a good example. But it fruits from sclerotum.. Sand is a rather non-nutritous substrate, however it can contain much decaying matter in swamp conditions.. perhaps this is the case with his find?

Does anyone have access to an electron mycroscope (pun intended!)? I do, but I cannot use it to identify spores. As of yet my funds also cannot include a personal use electron microscope.. :P

Does anyone have the time (I am sure someone does) to grow out these spores?

and DAMNIT
can't we all just get along?

enjoy your day, one and all


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Re: Who is Mr. G (Master Grower-what is his Problem? [Re: DinoMyc]
    #606077 - 04/12/02 06:21 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Pine mushrooms, Tricholoma magnivalere, also like sandy soil and are picked in the sand dunes of Oregon.

Mr. G may not be a good writer but I think he has a lot more mycological experience than most.


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