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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Flue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: karlfinn]
#643165 - 05/24/02 09:34 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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wb..Karl
I closed your last thread cause of people flaming....not because of you.
I won't put up with any flames in this thread.....people.
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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!
Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Flue Fairy Mycological S *DELETED* [Re: Roadkill]
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: karlfinn]
#643389 - 05/24/02 12:14 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Karl,
Regardless of what people think of Mr. G you're still bringing more spores to the community! Thanks for what your doing and you have my support.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: karlfinn]
#643437 - 05/24/02 12:43 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good luck with the new addition!! You are doing a kind service for the OMC
JWS
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological S [Re: karlfinn]
#643767 - 05/24/02 04:59 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you will find that there will be a market for controversial spores. I think They will be more popular with the more advanced users who want to see these shrooms for themselves, rather than newbies.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: karlfinn]
#644247 - 05/25/02 01:37 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am a new grower I guess you could say. I still have to fruit and eat my first shroom, but I'm close to it now. I am interested in the controversy as well as the experienced growers. I have read a lot of postings about Mr G. I also think he has very good spores. A lot of members have written in support of him.
I want to grow Panaeolus subbalteatus in my garden in Toronto. It is one of the species native to my area. I like Mr G's pan subs because he claims they are very strong. I do not find this hard to believe. Pan subs are a group of many similar variations lumped together under one name. Some areas of the world produce psychotropic pan subs and some do not. Some are weak, some are strong. The strength also depends on the growing conditions and the substrata. I do not find it unbelievable that someone could find and isolate a strong one. I am willing to take a chance and order the spores.
I like the Bluefairysupply web site because it is very clear and easy to read and understand.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: Orchidman]
#645828 - 05/26/02 08:27 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Panaeolus subbalteatus is a weak mushroom and are not even really equal by weight amont to P. cubensis. It takes up to five dried grams of Panaeolus subbalteatus to be equal to three grams of P. cubensis. It takes over one to two fresh ounces of Panaeous subalteatus to be equal to one fresh ounce of Psilocybe cubensis.
That means 5 to 6 doeses per pound or dried ounce. Very weak. Period.
They are not potent and again I reiterate this is a weak mushroom.
mj
There is no such thing as a potent Panaeolus subbalteatus mushroom.
On the other hand I am sure most of Karlfinn's sporepirnts of various species he sells are from good strains but do not be fooled by false advertising on the part of Mr. G. to who makes up stories to help in the sales of his sporeprints.
If Panaeolus subbalteatus was a potent mushroom 99% of every spore vendor would be carrying the spores for this species. IT is one of the most common of mushrooms (called the Weed Panaeous) in the world.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#645910 - 05/26/02 09:17 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mjshroomer,
I realize that you have had some problems with Mr. G, but why try to discredit him merely for the sake of discrediting? While it does seem unlikely that the subbalteatus species is as potent as Mr. G claims, you said yourself in a previous thread where someone wrote that the subbalteatus was weak in comparison to cubensis:
"Panaeolus subbalteatus has the same potency as Psilocybe cubensis.
From 3-5 grams dried and one feresh ounce to one and a half fresh ounce.
Makes for a potent tea."
In this thread, you say "Panaeolus subbalteatus is a weak mushroom and are not even really equal by weight amont to P. cubensis."
I think Mr. G generally does a fine job of causing people to dislike him by himself, without the need to skew the truth to do it...
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: vodgod]
#645982 - 05/26/02 10:03 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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vodgod, one and a half ounces of fresh mushroom is a lot of mushroom to consume. Three to five grams or more of a mushroom is a lot to consume.
Of course all teas with that much weight in them would be a potent dose. However you do not need an ounce and a half of most other mushrooms to make a potent tea.
Liberty caps take 20 to 40 fresh mushrooms or 1 to 2 grams dried and so do P. stuntzii. That would be equal to 1/4 to 1/3rd of a fresh ounce. That makes for a potent tea.
BUt you can get three to four people high off of a freesh ounce of libnerty caps and /or from Psilocybe stuntzii (blue ringers) and only one person off on a fresh ounce or more of both P. cubensis and or Panaeolus subbalteatus. Psilocybe cyanescens takes only one large shroom weighing maybe 1/4 fresh ounce to 1/6th of a fresh ounce to make a portent tea and they are potent shrooms.
One and a half ounces or from 3 to 5 dried grams even with P. cubensis as an average dose is not a potent mushroom. At 5 grams it is equivalent to a mazatec ceremonial dosage. A dose most users never even achieve. And those who eat a quarter ounce of dried P. cubensis in oreder to get off or feel the effects have a tolerance build up which is not necessary for new users. P. cubensis is basically one of the weakest magic mushrooms and the Pn. subs are even weaker than P. cubes. When they are of the same potecy as P. cubensis, which is rather very rare ever, that does not make them a potent mushroom.
To advertise the Pn. subs as a potent mushroom strain is not true.
mj
And again I have no propblem with Mr. G's B+ mushroom but I do with his bs in advertising them.
mj
And this was not a flame either. IT was about the potency of this mushroom. And it is about the fact that very few peo-le grow them because they are not potent or worth the cultivation effort.
I did write a paper in Psychedelic Illuminations onthe outdoor cultivation of this species. IT only requires haystacks in your backyard and some mycelia fromthe wild and they grow just like the azurescens do by transplanting them.
Now Una and a fww others have posted some images of this shroom in vitro and I can did up cheical analysis from several sources onthis mushroom if need be.
mj
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: vodgod]
#646834 - 05/26/02 07:53 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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i would disagree, the active compounds in subbalteatus are distinct. Potency is realative to sensitivity to serotonin which occurs in subbalteatus natural chemical lab.(bioassay by Jeremy Bigwood who by the way never showed for the columbia fumigation lecture is he still alive anyone?) and the brain of the human psilocybin doesn't. I believe in Mexico they are prefered over cubensis by most Indians. Some strains are more potent then some strains of cubensis as far as entering into expanded conscienceness. I don't belive your comparison is acurate for anyone but yourself. Let the mushrooms answer this for each ego. Ban the vendors before they ban you.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: rungi]
#647144 - 05/27/02 04:21 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rungi, the Indians of Mexico do not use nor never have used Panaeous subbalteatus as a sacrement in a ceremonial context or for any other reason whatsoever. And regardless of Dick Schultes original beliefs that Panaeolus sphinctrinus was used by American Indians in Mexico, this is also not true.
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Schultes' notes on specimens stored on a single sheet in the herbarium confused Singer (1958). As noted earlier, Schultes had identified one of his collections? as Panaeolus campanulatus var. sphinctrinus, a possible divinatory mushroom. However, Singer then wrote that "the genus of Panaeolus was not used by the Mazatec Indians of the Huautla region either for magico-religious ceremonies or as a sacrament in shamanic healings." Additionally, Singer and Smith (1958) wrote, "we must insist, that the phenomena which belonged in the class of cerebral mycetism in the terminology of Ford (1923), and not fully identified (Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus) (Schultes 1939, 1940), as being comparable with the hallucinatory-euphoric and lasting effects which have been described in literature as belonging to and coming from certain mushrooms of the genus Psilocybe. Aside from that we feel for certain that Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus is not now and never has been used as a drug catalyst for divinatory purposes or religious ceremonies by present day Indians in Mesoamerica", nor was it used as a sacrament by their pre-Colombian ancestors.
Fig. 4. Rolf Singer's assistant Pal?cios, Rolf Singer (mycologist} & R. Gordon Wasson (Father of Ethnomycology) near Huautla (July 1957).
Schultes (1978) later wrote that "Wasson and Heim, and Singer and Guzm?n [all] failed to find Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus in use and, as a result, have assumed that it should not be included in the list of hallucinogenically used Mexican mushrooms." The late French mycologist Roger Heim (1963), also asserted that "the Indians do not take Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus in their rituals", and Singer (1958) after one short field trip, categorically stated that "Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus is not used and perhaps, had been mistaken for Psilocybe mexicana Heim." The noted Mexican authority on the sacred mushrooms of Mexico, Gast?n Guzm?n (1977), called Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus a "false teonan?catl" and P. Antoine (1970) claimed that this belief has spread and still exists. However, eight years later, Singer (1978) still believed that no species of Panaeolus belongs to the group of Mexican hallucinogenic mushrooms which were known as teonan?catl. In 1979, Schultes wrote that "certain shamans and curanderas of the Mazatec and Chinantec Indians do employ the mushroom known as Panaeolus campanulatus var. sprinctrinus in curative and divinatory ceremonies." These Panaeolus species are known to the Indians as tha-na-sa, shi-to and to-shka. They are bell-shaped or ovoid-campanulate shaped in the cap and appear to be yellowish-brown in color. Several of the early Spanish codices noted above that one of the yellow mushrooms described was called teonan?catl. The author latterfound that these two epithets used by the Mazatec were acruatlly used in describing Psilocybe mexicana.
However, as late as 1983, Guzm?n still maintained that "in Mexico, no Panaeolus species is used as a sacred or divine mushroom among the Indians of Oaxaca, and that includes the Mazatec, Chatino, Zapotec, and Mixes, and of the Indians in the State of M?xico, in spite of the fact that the species of Panaeolus are very common." Guzm?n also maintains that the Mazatec Indians say that Panaeolus species are not good to eat ("son malos"--they are dangerous or poisonous). Panaeolus species were collected independently as one of the sacred hallucinogenic mushrooms by two groups of investigators, Weitlaner?s group and by Schultes and Reko. However, one should consider that in a single collection of a particular species, there may be more than two species represented---for example, one species might superficially resemble another, as in the case of Panaeolina foenisecii and Panaeolus subbalteatus, both of which resemble one another macroscopically.
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Again someone presents false information on this matter.
Whoever gave you this information does not know of what he speaks.
mj.
And as for Jeremy Bigwood, he lives in Mexico. i did see a flyer for him to speak here in Seattle at coffee house on Roosevelt Ave. Is this the lecture that you speak of?
mj
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Flue Fairy Mycological S [Re: karlfinn]
#647180 - 05/27/02 05:00 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please allow me to seem like a puppet for a moment...BF kicks butt!!
All things being equal (whatever I mean by that)...I want to say that karlfinn and Bluefairy have great products at very reasonable prices. It is a great place for newbs and the practiced alike to get a wide and expanding variety of supplies, substrates and additives. (PERIOD!)
I guess if people want to experiment with pan subbs that is their biz. Like Orchidman plans to do, attempting to fruit in his Canadien garder, it is supposed to be about learning and having fun..
MJ has shared his knowledge of this mushroom with us...we should appreciate this...we are blessed with many such experienced individuals...
now is the time to have fun with all this. And don't overlook the other strains and products BF has that can improve your experience at your HOBBY!
JWS
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#647308 - 05/27/02 06:21 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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i eat 60 grams of fresh cubbies all the time-sometimes 70-
thats not a hard trip for me- i have 12 jars of these Mr. G subs- i will test the potency for myself-i heard they were not as potent,but more speedy-
either way i will know- i will post pics after the spawning stage-
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#647661 - 05/27/02 10:23 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Another positive thing from a culinary point of view subbalteatus taste good, they are not bitter, most other psilocybes are bitter. I don't undersat
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: rungi]
#648017 - 05/27/02 01:23 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the mountain of info John, you are always a fountain of wisdom. Too bad these spammers try to hi-jack your parade!
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: rungi]
#648161 - 05/27/02 02:51 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply again to Rungi the farmer, see below from Andrew Weil. I again asked you who gives you this information?
?During the spring and summer months, when no Liberty Caps are available, Oregonians can use another variety of psilocybin mushroom in the genus Panaeolus. It is easily collected in quantities on piles of rotting hay stacked in fields in the Willamette Valley, where most of the population of the state lives. This mushroom, Panaeolus subbalteatus, though small, is twice as fleshy as the Liberty Cap. Yet the dose is the same, about twenty to forty mushrooms. That is to say, the Panaeolus is less potent. Moreover the quality of the effect is not as good. Particulalry when fresh, it tends to produce symptoms of mild toxicity. Some people experience nausea from it. I get an uncomfortable restlessness for an hour after eating it. This toxicity is reduced on drying, but not eliminated. Panaeolus subbalteatus is less effective at triggereing visual spectacles. Nonetheless, it is a popular mushroom during the warm months.?
From Dr. Andrew Weils book, ?Marriage of the Sun and the Moon.? 1980. Boston. Houghton-Mifflin Co.
They taste stringy and acrid. And people who eat them gag on them.
mj
Edited by mjshroomer (05/28/02 01:33 AM)
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#648706 - 05/27/02 09:02 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just wanted to drop in on the blue fairy discussion and say whats up, I ordered some poop from them and was impressed, with the poop and with there customer service!!! So since im a web designer and all I decided to make this simple banner for blue fairy supply... Hope you guys like it... took me awhile to draw ita ll up.
laterz
indicaz
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Which one is better?
tell me what u think? I was thinking of doing more , just for shiyts and giggles
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: indicaz]
#648717 - 05/27/02 09:15 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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That looks very good indicaz, with Karl's permission I'll add that to my links page.
Nudity!
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: indicaz]
#648720 - 05/27/02 09:22 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very good work indeed!! (God, I wish that I had that talent)
For what it's worth.... I really prefer the bottom graphic that you posted. I prefer how the URL link is displayed there. (kinda "old school")
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: indicaz]
#648860 - 05/28/02 12:43 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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bottom is definetly better-
but isnt that a little large for a banner? lolz
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
#649023 - 05/28/02 04:37 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah kinda big for a banner..... just a graphic i made.... should probably reduce it down
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: indicaz]
#649309 - 05/28/02 08:14 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks too kiddie pornie.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: ]
#649590 - 05/28/02 11:20 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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kiddie porn? your sick dood if your looking at the fairires butt which I might add I made purposefully covering her butt... your sick.... its a farie damnit she aint real, its a drawing.,..;.... yeah i can see every pedophile in the world jerkin off too that banner... get real.... fairies are not tall, are not old, and have a young impish quality, She also is smaller then a mushroom as you can see.....
thanks for your feedback, I think you need help if thats the first thing that comes to your mind
laterz indicaz
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: indicaz]
#649710 - 05/28/02 01:17 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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.......is it some kinda child porn??????????
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological S [Re: indicaz]
#649759 - 05/28/02 01:51 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow indicaz I am impressed and overwhelmed by the talent and effort in this...thank you...she looks great... I really do like it...she looks just like the ones I catch glimpses...of in the wee hours of the morning right before light breaks...anyway...this is worth something really/ I would be honored to fly it and put your name as credit and I know a little mycological supply store willing to barter....??? really too nice ...the members of the shroomery have not ceased to amaze me....way back there was never any sort of community anywhere like this.... just scattered lone -wolves...... and no leaf......fairies are not kiddies nor pornable....and do not get them mad especially those little red-headed ones wowie...zowie...you is in trouble then.. it is tough to choose but I liike the second one best with the more blued shadows ,, and where the light source is coming in from.. just let me know and credit goes where credit deserved......thanx again....care...farmer..
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#649775 - 05/28/02 02:05 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mjshroomer,
I quote your own article that you reproduced May 27th in which they refer to the pan as being comperable with the hallucinogenic-euphoric and long lasting effects which have been described in literature as belonging to and coming from mushrooms of the genus psilocybe. In otherwords they are equal to psilocybes in potency.
I quote from Field Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms written by F C Ghouled, Published by Guidance Publications 1972. Re: Pan sub--"The flesh of this species will be white to yelllowish. It has a taste and odor that is like that of fine table-mushrooms purchased at the store." This book is reprinted at the Vaults of Erowid.
As you can see there is literature to back up these ideas about Pan subs.
To me it doesn't matter if they are a bit weaker if they will grow in my garden and survive in my Toronto climate, then the ease of growing them, just letting nature take it's course, far outweighs the disadvantages. Believe me if I get them established I will be carrying little bags of innoculated grass clippings to all the zoos in the city looking for the manurer piles. When people buy the Zoo Doo to spread on their lawns, they will be spreading Mr G's spores all over the city.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: Orchidman]
#649829 - 05/28/02 03:09 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Orchidman,
Why do you go and post again information without knowing what it is you are posting.
You quoted from F. C. Ghould's book:
--"The flesh of this species will be white to yelllowish. It has a taste and odor that is like that of fine table-mushrooms purchased at the store." The above quote you posted is referring to Psilocybe cuubensis. The stem of Panaeolus subbalteatus is reddish-brown with vertical grooves running up and down the length of the stem. It is stringy and never meaty. ANd never white to yellowish which are the colors of P. cubensis. It is plain that you have no idea about this mushroom. And spores do not spread as you imply.
First this is at the title top of the book you are quoting above from Copied from www.erowid and you should have realized it when you read it instead of trying to find fault when I post acurate information. I sure would not want to eat any mushroms you might pick.
Here is from Erowid.
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Species common to North America
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Important Erowid Note : The following Field Guide, from 1972, has a fair number of dramatic and potentially dangerous inaccuracies, especially in its information about Amanita muscaria mushrooms. It is presented here as a look into the history of psychoactive mushroom identification and should not be used in the identification of any mushrooms as there are MANY better and more accurate guides now available
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F. C. Ghouled's book is rifled with misinformation.
Two images in F. C. Ghouleds book shows two photographs of Psilocye cubensis in their young stage which he misidentifies as Panaeous subbalteatus. When I find the guide I will psot those pictures as they were published. AFter you see them you will realize that Mr. Ghouled has had never seen a Panaeolus subbalteatus ever in his life at the time of his books publication, a book which sold over a few hundred thousand copies during an eight year run.
It had two photos in the center of P. cubensis and was striclkly for use in the South East United States. Many people, Including me bought this book in 1976 and went all over the PNW looking for this manured mushroom which did not grow here.
His book also described Amanita muscaria as the Sacred Mushroom of Mexico and the Indians in Mexico eat Psilocybe mushrooms not Amanitas.
Ghouled never corrected that information and his error regarding the photos of P. cubensis which he labeled as Panaeolus subbalteatus were later reproduced in the 2 issue tabloid newspaper Blotter1 again showing the young specimens of P. cubensis and labeling them as Panaeolus subbalteatus.
Furthermore, An article appearing a few years later in the Mississippi Medical Journal listed Panaeolus subbalteatus as the 2nd most used mushroom in Mississippi basing his research on F. C. Ghouled's book, And then later that same year, Ghouled wrote a book on psilocybian cultivation under the name F. C. Gould.
As for the quote about the Panaeolus in my May 27th statement, that is about the suspected properties of Panaeolus Campanulatus var. sphinctrinus which was misidentified by Singer based on two short paperswritten by the late Dr. Richard Evans Schultes and published in American Anthropolgist (1940) and in the Botanical Museum Leaflets of Harvard University (1939). Singer, based his thoughts about the properties of the Panaeolus campanulatus var. sphinctrinus on Schultes observation and made that statement in regards to one of the mushrooms used by the Mazatec Indiands. That was in 1949. Years later in the ealrly 1950s, Singer reexamined the Schultes and Reko collections on a herbarium plate at Harvard and reidentified the mushrooms he thought was the Panaeous as Psilocybe mexicana. And that nothing to do with Panaeolus subbalteatus.
mj
Edited by mjshroomer (05/29/02 12:09 AM)
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#650370 - 05/28/02 11:35 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mjshroomer
I didn't mean to say that your information was inacurate. As a matter of fact, I believe you when you talk about the pan subs.
You had asked the question "Where do people get this information?" I was just trying to show that they are not making it up and that these ideas are in print. I have read everything that I can search on the internet regarding Pan Subs and believe me there is not a lot. I appreciate any information you give and in my mind I consider you very knowledgable.
Thank you for pointing out the book is innacurate. When you search for info on the search engines, you don't get to read the whole site.
I am trying to grow things in my garden that might be able to establish themselves. I have Psilicybe cyanescens on cardboard now and have collected some nice maple for the bed. I want to grow the pan subs on a compost heap of grass and manurer etc. I am still searching for something else to plant.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: mjshroomer]
#651177 - 05/29/02 11:18 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again mj, what are you asking me? Andrew Weil is not the authority I don't care if he is a millionaire, Subbalteatus taste good, I personally have never once become sick for them, Have you? Not all information comes from a book as you habitiually are implying to me. My information is from my senses, and i am accuarte unfortunatly you may already not believe me. However, i recall a reply from you on the subject of the fruiting season of subbalteatus claiming they don't fruit in the hottest mothns of the Northwest summer. This is outright false. Under Maple tress composted with horse manure the subbalteatus fruit the best in the hottest months of the summer. May be strange strains. I have found very large stalked subbalteatus The bruises of potent subbalteatus occurs in the cap upon drying. They retain potency for a very long time. these are facts, doubt them if you like, I don't give a shit. Now, there is the possibility as i thing Mr Peele says one can be poisoned for the oyster mushrooms Plerotus osteatus based on a anamil shit on a log, or that dmt like compounds exist in certain Lepiotas if a cows piss on the substrate. Consisdering he may be right. (this may explain andrews annoying reation. The question is worth investigating(do you have money? ) compare horse shit compost under big leaf maples trees which can't be excludes as a hidden variable of the roots may be resposbile for the compound not being produce that keeps one from becoming sick or having Visual hallucination) Speaking of visual hallucionations i don't know but if you take speed with psiocybin you will have visual hallucinations maybe Andrew needs cocaine or speed . I like sleeping on mushrooms and dreaming. By the way, is Mr. G a fictional character created by members of the shroomey for entertainment? Its a great comedy some guy in a wheelchair selling spores. chased out of the Fl cow fields in a wheelchair. yelling all of a sudden for no apparent reason. For a while i thought you were Mr. G than I thought Stephen Peele was. Is he real? confuse everyone fake ids God bless capitalism Fuck all you vendors. But, if i could i would be right there beside you making money the same way. buying and reselling. i have respect for Mr. G with his big ego.besides a threat of unknow origin. Maybe peolpe are jelous. but them agin maybe there not, but because i am not a vendor is is none of my business Didn't Peel claim the same of Stamets and Beug No, that is not the lecture i was talking about you know on Rosevelt did he show for that one?.
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Re: MR " G" Spores are at Blue Fairy Mycological Suppl [Re: rungi]
#653505 - 05/30/02 12:12 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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A little sun to lighten up your day
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