the definition of Terrorism:
From Dictionary.com:
n : The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
2 : violent and intimidating gang activity
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
Wikipedia's definition can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Hanky said:
Dimmy said:
With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, I'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.
I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.
The term Terrorist is subjective and is interchangeable with the term Freedom fighter depending on your point of view.
When it comes to arab extremest in the middles east, the only accurate term to use is terrorist.
A freedom fighter fights for... freedom and better conditions. The vast majority of the rhetoric used by organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah is not about the need for better infrastructure, but the need to destroy israel and the jews. consider this:
Introduction: Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and God's victory is realized.
Article 7: ... the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of God's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, God bless him and grant him salvation, has said: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O slaves of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharqad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
-from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Hamas covenant
Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Israel, and the United States, and is banned in Jordan
What about Hezbollah? Wikipedia says this: The conflict with Israel is viewed as a central concern [for Hezbollah]. This is not only limited to the IDF presence in Lebanon. Rather, the complete destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of Islamic rule over Jerusalem is an expressed goal.
Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. The European Union does not list Hezbollah as a "terrorist organization", but does list Imad Mugniyah, Hezbollah's senior Intelligence officer, as a terrorist. The EU also supports measures aimed at disarming the group
Hanky said:
Dimmy said:
I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.
I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.
goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.
The shroomery has been filled with anti Muslim sentiment for years now. I did a thread search and failed to find any posts where you criticized examples of derogatory or biased opinion toward Arabic or Muslim people.
First of all, i havent seen any such posts. And generally i only read and reply to post that spark my interest.
Hanky said:
Dimmy said:
Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.
How many shells and missiles has Israel fired into Lebanese civilian areas during the same time?
Why does Israel target infrastructure that is essential for the health and safety of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians? eg: Power stations, roads and ports?
Hamas would cease suicide attacks tomorrow if they were armed with helicopter gunships and military jets. They use the limited means available to them just as Israel uses the military hardware supplied by other nations to the full extent.
why destroy infrastructure? Because its a fucking war and thats what you do in a war.
Hezbollah is regarded by the Iranian and Syrian governments, as a legitimate resistance movement and is a recognized political party in Lebanon, where it has participated in government. The civilian wing participates in the Parliament of Lebanon, taking 18% of the seats (23 out of 128) and the bloc it forms with others, the "Resistance and Development Bloc", 27.3% (see Lebanese general election, 2005). It is a minority partner in the current Cabinet.
Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. Lebanon has done nothin to disarm this widely recognized terrorist organization and therefore share the blame for Hezbollah's actions. Asking why Lebanon's infrastructure is being targeted in attacks is like asking why Germany was bombed in WW2.
Hanky said:
Dimmy said:
This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i don't know what is.
Israel has been kidnapping foreign nationals, particularly Palestinians under the false guise of legal arrest and imprisonment for years. Yet when the reverse happens, Israel responds by starting a war.
There is a difference between detaining known terrorist and kidnapping soldiers. I can't believe how no matter what happens, its always israel fault. Next your gonna tell me how everyone dies but, israel gets all pissed off when some "freedom fighter" get on a public bus and blows himself up.
Hanky said:
Hamas and hezbolla use suicide attacks and crude rockets because that's all they have available. Give them some of your modern war planes and tanks and see if they still use their old methods!
why not give osama a nuke?
Hanky said:
Dimmy said:
Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.
Are you going to tell me that Israel has no military infrastructure in or near it's own populated areas?
Do you honestly think that hezbolla should be expected to move all of it's very limited military hardware and fighters into open areas so that Israeli jets can destroy them?
Most of the footage taken from Israeli jets showing the destruction of hezbolla missile launcher has clearly shown that the rockets were being fired from non urban sites.
First of all, it doesnt matter where israeli military installments are because the terrorist groups in question dont target the military bases, they target civilians with no form of defence. If they did attack the military then they would be Guerrilla Warfare and not Terrorism.
No i dont think Hezbollah should act like a real military and have military bases and stockpiles because they aren't a real military. I've never seen the IDF hide its warheads in an apartment building, oh yeah! thats because the IDF aren't terrorists.
Hezbollah missiles launched from non populated areas. your right. this is because their missile launchers are portable to they get on mountain tops as close to the israeli boarder as possible and fire into israel. If they fired from where they keep their missiles then it would just hit another Lebanese apartment building.
Hanky said:
Dimmy said:
How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?
The actions of the Israeli government have been offensive not defensive in this current conflict, Israel chose to initiate fighting with hezbolla by launching the first attacks against southern Lebanon, it is hezbolla that are defending themselves from aggression started by Israel.
Aggression started by israel? what the fuck are you talking about. Try reading a paper or watching the news for once. This conflict started in response to kidnapped soldiers and missile attacks against israel.
Israel attacked southern Lebanon as a response. It seems like you have no idea what is actually goin on in this war.
Hanky said:
quote]Dimmy said:
people say that these Arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for Arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these Arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the Arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.
While it's true that Israel has been kind enough to "designate" land to the Palestinians that the Palestinians already owned, Israel has continued to follow a policy of building settlements in the occupied territories. Why do you think they are called the "occupied territories"?
It's true that some among the Muslims are fanatics wishing to deny the Israelis a state but the same can be said for ultra orthodox Jews opposing a Palestinian state.
I'm pretty sure israel completely pulled out of Gaza several months ago but, for some reason Hamas still found it necessary to kidnap a soldier. So it turns out that even with the opportunity to build a new sovereign country free of any israeli control, they still couldnt give up old habits.
Let me tell you that you have no clue as to what ultra orthodox jews believe. try not to show your ignorance that obviously because many ultra orthodox dont believe israel has the right to exist either.
once again in closing, i will quote myself.
Dimmy said:
If tomorrow, all the arabs destroyed their weapons and stopped fighting Israel, they would be peace in the middle east. Yet if Israel threw all of its weapons into the sea, there would be another holocaust.
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