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OfflineRuNE
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880829 - 07/20/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Dimmy said:
With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.

I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.

Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.

This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.

Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.

Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.

How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?

people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.

These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: RuNE]
    #5880833 - 07/20/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

And I'm black yall, and I'm black yall
and I'm blick black blickity black black, cause I'm black and I'm back.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
    #5880870 - 07/20/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Israel and the US has been known to fund/create/arm whatever the very same terrorist organizations that are the so called enemies.The Mossad created Hamas and they where backed by Netanyahu to fight against the Palestinian Liberation Organization.Installing puppet political parties in Lebanon like the Phalange.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880885 - 07/20/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Dimmy said:
With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, I'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.




The term Terrorist is subjective and is interchangeable with the term Freedom fighter depending on your point of view.

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Dimmy said:
I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.





The shroomery has been filled with anti Muslim sentiment for years now. I did a thread search and failed to find any posts where you criticized examples of derogatory or biased opinion toward Arabic or Muslim people.

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Dimmy said:
Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.




How many shells and missiles has Israel fired into Lebanese civilian areas during the same time?
Why does Israel target infrastructure that is essential for the health and safety of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians? eg: Power stations, roads and ports?
Hamas would cease suicide attacks tomorrow if they were armed with helicopter gunships and military jets. They use the limited means available to them just as Israel uses the military hardware supplied by other nations to the full extent.

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Dimmy said:
This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i don't know what is.




Israel has been kidnapping foreign nationals, particularly Palestinians under the false guise of legal arrest and imprisonment for years. Yet when the reverse happens, Israel responds by starting a war.

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Dimmy said:Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.




Please explain what difference it makes to those who are killed and the families involved?
Also keep in mind that during this conflict, over 90% of Lebanese casualties have been civilians. Do you find that statistic acceptable?

My previous comment regarding resources is also applicable here, Hamas and hezbolla use suicide attacks and crude rockets because that's all they have available. Give them some of your modern war planes and tanks and see if they still use their old methods!

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Dimmy said:
Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.






Are you going to tell me that Israel has no military infrastructure in or near it's own populated areas?
Do you honestly think that hezbolla should be expected to move all of it's very limited military hardware and fighters into open areas so that Israeli jets can destroy them?

Most of the footage taken from Israeli jets showing the destruction of hezbolla missile launcher has clearly shown that the rockets were being fired from non urban sites.

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Dimmy said:
How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?




The actions of the Israeli government have been offensive not defensive in this current conflict, Israel chose to initiate fighting with hezbolla by launching the first attacks against southern Lebanon, it is hezbolla that are defending themselves from aggression started by Israel.

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Dimmy said:
people say that these Arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for Arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these Arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the Arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.




While it's true that Israel has been kind enough to "designate" land to the Palestinians that the Palestinians already owned, Israel has continued to follow a policy of building settlements in the occupied territories. Why do you think they are called the "occupied territories"?

It's true that some among the Muslims are fanatics wishing to deny the Israelis a state but the same can be said for ultra orthodox Jews opposing a Palestinian state.

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Dimmy said:
These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just don't understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.




I don't understand how you can say some of the things you do.

Atrocities have always been common on both sides of the Arab/Israeli conflict, neither side is innocent of brutality. Please try and look at the broader view and quit pretending that Israel is a paragon of virtue which can do no wrong.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Hanky]
    #5880893 - 07/20/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Hanky said:
Atrocities have always been common on both sides of the Arab/Israeli conflict, neither side is innocent of brutality. Please try and look at the broader view and quit pretending that Israel is a paragon of virtue which can do no wrong.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Hanky]
    #5880899 - 07/20/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent post hanky.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880906 - 07/20/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

agreed.

There is to much biased opinions in this world.

What we need is an understanding of the ultimate truth.

We need to understand that we are all here together and in essence one big family. So why cant we let go of the Sibel rivalry and just be one happy family?!?!?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880910 - 07/20/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880964 - 07/20/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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It's funny how people refer to anti-Jewish/Zionism as "Anti-Semetism" As if the people from Lebanon are from a vastly different tribe or something.




Umm, in the light of that statement, please explain this one to me:

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xDuckYouSuckerx said:
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Hah, thats amusing. A race of short dicked little heebs, cutting the ends of their cocks off, is "pnwing" people. Yea right. Like I said, someday the shoes gonna be on the other foot, and when that happens, the anti-Jew backlash is gonna be so great we'll juts wipe them from the planet like a turd from a butthole.




I leave it to the local moderators, but I would've banned you for it and I can fully understand how the threadstarter gets upset with this sort of thing. I still disagree mostly with Dimmy, but here's an example of the anti-Jewish/Anti-Semitic sentiments he speaks of, so it in fact does happen.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
    #5881011 - 07/20/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Racist are hypocrites most of the time.


Edited by TheMadConductor (07/20/06 11:13 AM)


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment *DELETED* [Re: Hanky]
    #5881038 - 07/20/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: poboy]
    #5881227 - 07/20/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I hate to pull out this chestnut, but I have a couple of Jewish friends. To be a bit more specific about two of them, one I've known for about a dozen years and he's saved my ass many times. The other is one of the coolest people I know. I have nothing whatseover against Jews. In fact I hold Jews a bit higher than I do most religions because the Torah is basically a collection of debates and the "losing" side is represented too. That's pretty cool.

Having said that, I think all sides of this are culpable.

First, this aggression did not start with the kidnapping of the IDF soldier, no matter how many times the TV tells you it did.

Second, 300 innocent Lebanese are dead over something they didn't do. That's a fact. Over a thousand wounded.

You wrote:
"Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets. "

Do me a favor and line up two dead civilians. One was killed intentionally by Hezbollah, the other was killed unintentionally by Israel. You tell me which is a better death. Tell their family, too.

I'm against people who kill and that goes for Hamas, that goes for Hezbollah and that goes for Israel.

That doesn't make me an anti-semite.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881232 - 07/20/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Listen, I'm anti-people-fucking-the-world-up.

I hate the whole Middle East equally. They're all a bunch of dumbasses with a long list of complaints and just as many RPG's.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: DNKYD]
    #5881241 - 07/20/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about the US, then?  :rolleyes:  How can you hate a region when war is widespread geographically and historically?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: dickdeadly]
    #5881256 - 07/20/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't care who's side you take, but if you're going to be a bigot like D_U_S, I'm gonna ban you for as long as I can.

This covers being anti-Jew, anti-Muslim, what have you.


(this is a message for everyone, not directed at you DD)


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: dickdeadly]
    #5881263 - 07/20/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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dickdeadly said:
What about the US, then?  :rolleyes:  How can you hate a region when war is widespread geographically and historically?




They have been doing this shit for thousands of years. They should have just done us all a favor years ago and finished the whole region off. Then maybe we could split it up nicely without them having to still fight over it.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881264 - 07/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Have you ever gone into shroomery IRC? Lots of people talking about "niggers" and rape...

The world is a hateful place, sorry.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881265 - 07/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are not anti-semetic if we dissaprove of this as much as I am anti-american if i dissaprove of the current bullshit our government does.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5881270 - 07/20/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
We are not anti-semetic if we dissaprove of this as much as I am anti-american if i dissaprove of the current bullshit our government does.





I think Israel likes to pull an America and play the terrorist card.
"You don't support the United States? You're a TERRORIST!"
"You don't support Israel's bullshit war? You're an ANTI-SEMITE!"

Anybody who pulls one of these deserves a baseball bat to the face.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: UnderNose]
    #5881277 - 07/20/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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UnderNose said:

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

How much brainwashing is happening on both sides,
everyone thinks they are right, information is filtered and we only absorb what supports our illusions & misconceptions.







I agree.The only sides of the story we know are the sides the media choose to tell us.


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