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The Attacks Against the Shroomery..
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:shake: ... have been childish and need to stop.  By the same token, any retaliation -- even legally grounded retaliation --  is equally childish and should be halted before allowed to begin.  To end this ridiculous and unnecessary conflict we need only to stop our engagement in it.  If that means conceding the "victory" to the aggressors against the Shroomery, then that should be acceptable.  The satisfaction from packeting a website will be quickly exhausted.  In the same way, the satisfaction from successful retaliation is equally transistory, and not worth the degree of tension which will be required to expound a deluded image of justice.

All we must do to free ourselves from the tangles of this conflict is simply understand it's unnecessary nature.  If we can become detached from the rapdily ensuing cycles of childish pride and vengence that have arisen since the attack, we will find that the appearance of hardhip in this circumstance evaporates.

Even a glass of iced tea appreciated while reading a good book or enjoying a TV program is a million times more precious than anything reaped from a clash between website administrators.  In the few days the Shroomery was inaccessible to me, I've been able to delight in far greater enjoyment from warm Spring afternoons with my dog.  Do things like this.  Let this dispute disappear.  :sun:

Engaging in this dispute only entrenches the problem, and causes us to experience unhappy tension.  Disengaging from this dispute causes it to dissolve into nothingness, and allows us to experience happy relaxation. 

Patriotism, whether it be lended to a nation or to an online community, only and creates the potential for suffering and conflict.  We should not spend our time perpetuating anger and hatred.  We of all people should be beyond this type of behaviour.

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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Damn straight


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Dankman]
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To be honest with you, I dont know what you mean by attacks to the shroomery. I know the shroomery was down over the weekend for me at least, is that what you mean? Well, as far as patriotism to an online community..
I honestly believe the shroomery, the information on the shroomery, and the people on these messageboards have made me the person I am today  :sun: I am very proud of that, and always tell my friends to check out the shroomery, and if the shroomery sold hoodies and shirts and stuff to raise money, I'd throw in, and represent my shroomery gear to local events, and hand out little business cards or flyers for the shroomery, cause I love this place. So much info, you let just anyone put up a trip report though.  :lol: :tongue:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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Hey I'm just happy that the site is back up. But if bad comes to worse there's always other sites (even though this one's the best). :yesnod:

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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I agree with most of what you've said.  Hell, the weather out
here on the central californian coast these past few days has
been bustin' up to 80? and the skies couldn't be clearer :sun:

Though I enjoyed the time off and ability to just let my thoughts fly adrift upon the winds on the ocean, I still feel responsible for the well being of the Shroomery and as such, obligated to defend its right to exist.  The perps in this scheme to attack the Shroomery seem to be quite dedicated as we've been fairly heavily attacked since December and as of late these attacks have escalated to a much greater scale.  Personally, I could give a fuck about retaliatory action, but if something physical must be done to end this madness then that is the route we will be forced to take.  Let us hope it doesn't come to that.


"Disengaging from this dispute causes it to dissolve into nothingness, and allows us to experience happy relaxation."

That is very true, but I cannot let "disengaging from this dispute cause [the Shroomery] to dissolve into nothingness" :spliff:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: geokills]
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Well all I'm saying is, if its about money to upgrade, we as a community, should pull together. I can't be a sponsor or anything, but I would do anything I could to help  :heartpump:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: iloveraving]
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iloveraving said:
Well all I'm saying is, if its about money to upgrade, we as a community, should pull together. I can't be a sponsor or anything, but I would do anything I could to help  :heartpump:


:nonono:

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: geokills]
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Your case, geokills, is slightly different because you've made the decision to shoulder part of the responsibility of maintaining and protecting the integrity of this online community.  While you cannot simply dissociate yourself from the problem, you certainly can dissociate yourself from the childish hostility behind the problem.  This seems to be a step you've already taken, and for that you are an excellent administrator, in my opinion. :smile: :thumbup:

So for those in posistions similar to yours, it's proper to do what is necessary to maintain the integrity of this community without allowing the appearance of this conflict to disturb your happiness, or to bleed over into the rest of your day.  This is the advice I'd offer -- rather, insist upon -- for our fellow administrators and those in posistions directly associated with the maintenence of the community.

Before expensive firewalls and rock-solid security are put infront of this problem, we should assert a proper attitude.  It is our attitude which pervades each of our actions.  A positive attitude brought toward the protection and elongation of the Shroomery's place in the online world will ensure a positive and stable future for our community.

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: geokills]
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I'm with you Geo !
It is almost like letting a thief into my home and allowing him all he wants .
No... we should not let it consume our very being , it should not make us act "childish" , but to pretend it will go away if we ignore it is foolish,and shows a level of child like innocence that could be detrimental to the existance of a freedom we all take for granted . Vengefull retaliation is wrong none the less , but to protect what one values .....is only human !
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LONG LIVE THE SHROOMERY !
Trip n D
MAY THE MUSHROOM GODDESS ALWAYS WATCH OVER AND PROTECT THE SHROOMERY !


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So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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What's this about?

Was the Shroomery's down time due to attacks from hackers or something???






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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Learyfan]
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Denial of Service attacks, from what I've been reading... not sure who was behind it or what they had to gain, though (it was the man, man! they're trying to shut us down!) ... damn conspiracy theorists! But hopefully this annoying shit is gonna stop, elsewise I have to concentrate on exams, and that's no fun!


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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If 3D did do this, I bet it will only hurt his site. The shroomery is bigger than sacred shrooms and will most likely continue to get bigger..

Dobie left sacred shrooms he said  :thumbup: :laugh:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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This isn't a big mystery
posted by sammi in a later deleted thread at sacredshrooms:

"Look boys, the person who is doing it #1 none of you know and #2 doesnt post here. So posting threads like this is pointless."

sounds an afull lot like somebody knows exactly what is going on


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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Ped, I agree with most of what you say as well, but mark my words, this is not over! The Shroomery will be shut down again by these assholes, we have been under attack on an increasingly higher scale for the past several months. They have stopped for the moment but not for long. I would love nothing more than to see the guilty party punished and hurt!


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ripple]
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so who was it that was doing the attacking?


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ripple]
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Cant you get there IP address and report the to there isp or some goverment agencey. I bet if you did this to microsoft you would probably be caught within a week. I would go and report this at once.


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: EvilGir]
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haha yeah right did it to microsoft caught? remember the ones against ebay, amazon, blah blah, all those. nobody is in jail for that. nobody prolly will be. you can't catch people who do this shit, you can just hope they dont do it again.

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Vulture]
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Vulture said:
so who was it that was doing the attacking?


I don't know myself?


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ripple]
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arm yourselfs with knolage my children :laugh:
i had no idia we wer under atack


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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Hey Ped, did I see you in Seattle recently on Broadway? I passed someone and was like "he was familiar" then I thought "oh cripe that was Ped."

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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I just want it to stop, I don't care about pride, I only care about it stopping.

While your sentiments have great meaning and truth, they do not address the issue of someone steadily increasing attacks to the site and us having to do something.

We can't sit back and do nothing.

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Thor]
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wat kind of attacks r they
who might be doing it?


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ripple]
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Ripple said:
Ped, I agree with most of what you say as well, but mark my words, this is not over! The Shroomery will be shut down again by these assholes, we have been under attack on an increasingly higher scale for the past several months. They have stopped for the moment but not for long. I would love nothing more than to see the guilty party punished and hurt!


Damn if RIP is pissed and talking ugly shit ... The world is becoming a very scary place . :wink:
Something tells me you do not get that upset often , and oh boy when you do , folks better run for the hills , cause Peace & Love become ...
I wanna Piece of you & I'm gonna Love seein you fry ! :shocked:
We all need to keep cool and pool our resources , live and learn and most of all ...
SSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !


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So with that said here is our mission statement .

Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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Ive been reading about why the shroomery was attacked and all the post about who and why, It just seems like some losers out there really need some attention and sooner or later the bad karmas gonna catch up with them.

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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Ped, I have a rather Taoist predisposition to seeing the futility in escalating conflict, and I do agree with your ideals. I would much rather be as water, and dance around the stone, gradually wearing it down by subtle effect, than to try and smash it with another stone.

That being said, I cannot guarantee, that anyone who enables, solicits, or funds, such attacks against such a large population of innocent people, because of a few personal squabbles, should escape justice as defined by larger social structures which have evolved over much time.

Should a rapist be free to rape again? A murderer to murder? A burglar to burgle? No!

I do agree with you about our own personal attitudes, and I think all Shroomerites should strive for the high road in this situation. We will probably be down again in the future, and when this happens. Go outside and enjoy the coming spring -- the cheery cherry blossoms, the pretty girls in sun dresses, all of that good shit! :smile:

Largely, this conflict is not a true conflict, but an illusion in the mind of a few individuals. Eventually, they will come around, if not provoked further, but we must remember that anti-social crime is just that, and society has developed systems for dealing with those who are off balance, lack center, and lash out at others, to calm the angry voices in their own heads...

As staff of The Shroomery, our priorities are largely:

1) Keeping the various Shroomery services available for our membership and this community. This may involve channeling money into firewalls and other means before it can be spent on other improvements, features, and benefits. No biggie, at least we have it to spend now. :smile:

2) Continuing to make this the best web-site possible for our membership and this community. After we take care of #1.

3) The continual collection of data and intelligence, so that justice may ultimately be served, in the retirement of those who care more about their own personal issues than for the well-being of the many.

As members of the shroomery, your priorities, should be:

1) Pretty much what Ped said! :laugh:

2) To enjoy the coming of Spring -- especially, when we are down. :wink:

3) To continue to learn from the mushroom -- it has much to teach about flow, balance, and unity! :smile:

PS: I'm on shrooms right now, so if this response just seems all too flowery and philosophical for some of you... Too bad! As George Harrison once said: "That's my story, and I'm sticking with it!" :grin:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Papaver]
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i :heart: pappy
i was scared there for a min
u made me feel much better
enjoy your trip :laugh: :gd_icon:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: tripndicular]
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I have a very very Long fuse ...........


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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You must understand that everyone who participates in this community, even you, the member reading this right now, make 'attacks' against the shroomery every time you type shroomery.org or load a new page. There are simply too many connections to handle.

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Papaver]
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I did not mean to suggest that we should lay down in the middle of a highway and allow ourselves to be run over by burly men driving large trucks. I meant only to suggest that when approaching the solutions to this conflict, we should do so with an attitude of loving kindness, rather than one of angry vengence, hatred, or spite. If it's patience and kindness which motivate the preventative measures taken to protect the community, then it is ultimately this attitude which will prevail.

The greatest prevantative measure which can be taken against this type of harmful action is the direct opponent of that harmful action. The ICMP attacks against The Shroomery were intended not only to interrupt the operation of the site, but to plant frustration, hatred and confusion in the minds of our community, and especially in the minds of those responsible for the accessibility of our community. If we allow those feelings to dictate our response, then any preventative measure taken will be one that only escalates the situation, bringing satisfaction to those responsible for the attacks. Though, if we oppose the arising of those feelings by remembering the value of patience and kindness, the preventative measures taken to protect the Shroomery will be ones that do not cause us tension and strife, and do not solicit further attacks. This is the real victory.

In papaver's Taoist flavour,

"Compassion is the finest weapon and best defence.
If you would establish harmony,
Compassion must surround you like a fortress.

Furthermore,
A good soldier does not inspire fear;
A good fighter does not display aggression;
A good conqueror does not favor battle;
A good leader does not exercise force.

This is the value of commonality;
This is how to win the cooperation of others;
This to how to build the same harmony that is in nature."


Join us in S&P sometime, papaver.


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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"The ICMP attacks against The Shroomery were intended not only to interrupt the operation of the site, but to plant frustration, hatred and confusion in the minds of our community, and especially in the minds of those responsible for the accessibility of our community."

Yes and do you believe that they were successful?


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Texas is humongus compared to France
Our Gair, who art in Texas,
Paw Paw be thy Name....
My friends are thirsty


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: OldSpice]
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I can see what Ped is saying, if you guys don't mind my 2.

Actually, you could even have some fun with this, if you take the emotions out of it. Get creative. I don't know how this type of thing works, these forums, and boards, but I'll bet someone smart would know how to get creative and make it not worth the effort to sabotage the shroomery.


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Frog]
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How's that Frog?


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ripple]
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or we could have a little contest
like who can paint/build/draw/sing/ the best thing while the shroomery is doen for prolonged periods
it would make the home coming much more fun
then wen we all parted ways for a few days it wouldent be like "damn this is retarted!! those bastards!"
it would be more like "hey everyone! how was your vacation, look what i made while i was gone :laugh: "

just a lame idia :grin:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Frog]
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I believe that the attackers have really intimately personal reasons and will do anything to try to hurt the current administration and the very existence of the Shroomery. If I'm right then this is about pride and money.


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ekstaza]
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Ekstaza said:
I believe that the attackers have really intimately personal reasons and will do anything to try to hurt the current administration and the very existence of the Shroomery. If I'm right then this is about pride and money.


Yes, i agree 100%


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ped]
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So am I correct in understanding that it is highly probable that these attacks were aimed at the shroomery in order to attempt to move some of its traffic to another mushroom site?

Now that's just bad business!! especially when .ORGs are concerned


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Strumpling]
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Somebody wants more traffic? I doubt it. I do think this hacker wants the shroomery to get less traffic.

It is very likely someone had their feelings hurt by the Shroomery. For some reason, I doubt it is another mushroom site (Although that would make a great movie of the week). Another Shroom .org site wouldn't endanger themselves just to damage the shroomery. Plus, thedarkunderbelly.com, SacredShrooms.org, Mycotopia.net and Nan's Nook have all been quite welcoming to Shroomerites during the Shroomery's downtime. Still, these sites don't seem very disapointed when the Shroomerites leave.

I even found the IP fix (To log on to The Shroomery this weekend) at SacredShrooms.org... sure, you can't type Shroomery without it being blocked out like a swear word at SacredShrooms.org, but they seem very welcoming.

Whoever is doing this wants to damage The Shroomery's ability to make money. More downtime will bother vendors. Too much downtime, and the shroomery loses vendors. Lose too many vendors, and the shroomery can no longer be self sufficient.

Someone is trying to hit this site in the nuts.


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Rose]
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in those comments posted in another forum they were saying "soon we will be the only site muahahaa" or some shit...


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Strumpling]
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We Are Now Control All You're Base!? :laugh:


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So hard to be ....WDWGFH?
Texas is humongus compared to France
Our Gair, who art in Texas,
Paw Paw be thy Name....
My friends are thirsty


You never see a motorcycle parked outside a Psychiatrist office:biker:

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: OldSpice]
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Shroomery was attacked.....

by someone sending something called packets to our site

it knocked out the site for about 3 and a half days....

everyone wonders and speculates who is responsible....

That about sums it up..


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Ripple]
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You forgot about the part where I put a lampshade on my head, and tried to get everyone to dance in a big bunny hop line... :wink:


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So hard to be ....WDWGFH?
Texas is humongus compared to France
Our Gair, who art in Texas,
Paw Paw be thy Name....
My friends are thirsty


You never see a motorcycle parked outside a Psychiatrist office:biker:

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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: OldSpice]
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Happy Birthday! :laugh:


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Re: The Attacks Against the Shroomery.. [Re: Papaver]
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Papaver said:
You forgot about the part where I put a lampshade on my head, and tried to get everyone to dance in a big bunny hop line... :wink:


Oh yeah i forgot about that......and the sing along too!


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