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Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment
    #5880298 - 07/20/06 03:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.

I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.

Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.

This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.

Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.

Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.

How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?

people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.

These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880299 - 07/20/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Are you Jewish, just out of curiosity?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880302 - 07/20/06 03:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

yes i am.

Are you a nazi, just out of curiosity?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880308 - 07/20/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So Shroomerites aren't enlightened or glaringly different than the rest of Americans when it comes to racism? Surely you jest :wink:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880309 - 07/20/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

while i agree with what you say i still can't help wonder WTF we're doing in lebanon right now :shrug:
fighting terror is all good but we're spending millions of $$$ to blast shacks and barren land... all that money would have been better spent on education!

showing the world that israel is bad ass and should not be fucked with is important but we used to do THAT by being smart... now we just bomb the fuck out of places from the air :smirk:

what's the point of this conflict?
will my army actualy manage to destry hizballa from the air?
should it obliterate bairut to make a point?
who's money is going to fix everything?
and what's the point again?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880314 - 07/20/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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xDuckYouSuckerx said:
Are you Jewish, just out of curiosity?




I'm not Jewish and I agree with pretty much everything he said.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
    #5880319 - 07/20/06 03:56 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Simisu said:
while i agree with what you say i still can't help wonder WTF we're doing in lebanon right now :shrug:
fighting terror is all good but we're spending millions of $$$ to blast shacks and barren land... all that money would have been better spent on education!




What is your government supposed to do when Hezbollah (sp?) terrorists invade your country, kidnap your soldiers, and then launch missiles at you? :crazy:

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
    #5880330 - 07/20/06 04:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel is attacking Lebanon because they are just as much to blame as hezbollah. The Lebanese government has been harboring and supporting this terrorist group for decades and hasn't taken any steps to disarm them.

I havent seen any bombing of shacks and barren land, but i have seen bombing of terrorist bunkers, and missile stock piles.

The point of the conflict?
well how about gettin Israeli soldiers back? What it had been your brother or your neighbor?
How about crippling Hezbollah once and for all and forcing Lebanon to actually take control of their country instead of letting it be run by a bunch of militant terrorist.
and the conflict is also a powerful message to others who would attack Israel. now people know there will be a swift and powerful response to the attack of the Israeli state.

the destruction of Beirut? come on, this is a war. Its a major hezbollah area of operation. the point of a war is not to worry about if some popular night clubs are going to be shut down, its to win.

Why from the air? well any military commander will tell you that where you'll always start. Destroy as many targets you can from the air. this limits the amount of Israeli soldiers that would die on the ground. plus the last thing Israel wants to do is occupy Lebanon so its not going to send in ground troops if it can be avoided.

I'll close with this.

If tomorrow, all the arabs destroyed their weapons and stopped fighting Israel, they would be peace in the middle east. Yet if Israel threw all of its weapons into the sea, there would be another holocaust.

and btw, xDuckYouSuckerx, i answered your question but, you havent answered mine?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880335 - 07/20/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty simple actually.

Most people who are into the "drug culture" lean toward the Left-Wing of the political spectrum. One of the hallmarks of the extreme Left-Wing is the hatred of the strong and the love of the weak. Corporations are bad...small mom and pom stores are good. White people are bad....black people are oppressed victims. Israel (with its powerful and modern military) is bad....and all Arab militia movements (with low-tech weapons) are good. etc.. etc..

They have an unreasonable and misguided love of the "underdog" in every situation.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5880366 - 07/20/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
It's pretty simple actually.

Most people who are into the "drug culture" lean toward the Left-Wing of the political spectrum. One of the hallmarks of the extreme Left-Wing is the hatred of the strong and the love of the weak. Corporations are bad...small mom and pom stores are good. White people are bad....black people are oppressed victims. Israel (with its powerful and modern military) is bad....and all Arab militia movements (with low-tech weapons) are good. etc.. etc..

They have an unreasonable and misguided love of the "underdog" in every situation.




I think he pretty much summed up your questions here. great post.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5880487 - 07/20/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its kind of hard for me to form an opinion, if i had to choose i would say both sides are retarded for not being able to come to a resolution after like 60 years.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880499 - 07/20/06 06:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have nothing against Israel or Jewish people but it seems crazy to get this many people killed over two soldiers. It's like losing 2 dollars and spending 50 to get it back.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5880501 - 07/20/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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truekimbo2 said:
its kind of hard for me to form an opinion, if i had to choose i would say both sides are retarded for not being able to come to a resolution after like 60 years.



:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

How much brainwashing is happening on both sides,
everyone thinks they are right, information is filtered and we only absorb what supports our illusions & misconceptions.


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Trav said:
I have nothing against Israel or Jewish people but it seems crazy to get this many people killed over two soldiers.  It's like losing 2 dollars and spending 50 to get it back.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880547 - 07/20/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

First of all: I'm not the Shroomery, nor do I speak for all of our members.

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I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.




So? It is hard to define the difference between terrorists, freedom fighters and resistance. Thats not anti-semitic, or even anti-israel. The same can be said of the IRA/Sinn Fein and nobody would call that anti-christian or anti-british.

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I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.




Whoa, whoa, whoa there for a minute! It is perfectly acceptable to talk shit about Israel, and accusations of it being a terror state. Look at how the USA is reviewed by some. I for one believe that both the USA and Israel are being ran by a government that qualifies as a rogue nation. I in part base this on the fact that both nations shove the UN and the Geneva Convention aside like it's nothing if it suits their needs.

This morning, on the news, I saw a Fuel Air Explosive come down and incompletely detonate. That in itself without any additional considerations qualifies as use of a chemical weapon. I've seen photos of the aftermath of a napalm bomb attack on a freeway full of cars full of fleeing people.

Wow man, stop for a minute. Dropping NAPALM over a road full of people? Napalm/incendiary gel itself is considered a chemical weapon, let alone if its used like this, as a means to kill helpless unarmed refugees in a raging inferno.

Hezbollah, morally corrupt as they are, have yet to use chemical weapons.

So, calling any nation terrorist is acceptable in democratic debate, and in the light of Israel's recent actions it's a likely conclusion, whether that is correct or not.

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I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.




Now in those cases you should blow the whistle and let a local moderator sort it out. We try to catch such instances (the Shroomery is all sorts of people after all) but we cannot catch them all. If you see such a post, blow the whistle on it by pressing the whistle at the bottom of the offending post, and in detail filling in the box where you state your reason to submit said post to moderator scrutiny.

The rest of your post consists of political opinion, but I decided to at least give my view on your position of antisemitism and the Shroomery.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
    #5880569 - 07/20/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

good post :thumbup:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880727 - 07/20/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.




I am anti-Israel, but I am not anti-semitic. Stealing others' land and engaging in ethnic cleansing because the Jews consider themselves the "Chosen Ones" while everyone else is inferior is disgusting. Zionism is parallel with Nazism.

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I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.




Where? Hezbollah and Hamas engage in terror and so does Israel.

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I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.




Good.

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I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.




Where? Links?

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Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.




And Israel does not have blood on its hands? 200 dead Lebanese civilians since July 12th. How many dead Israelis? About 6, right?

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This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.




Target Hezbollah, then. Israel is collectively punishing the entire population of Lebanon. How is this supposed to create peace?

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Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.




Oh, bullshit. When Israel repeatedly kills innocent civilians (and they certainly have), there is no longer an excuse. They are killing civilians on purpose or either they are apathetic to the murder.

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Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.




So, then send in commandos to raid these areas and root out the terrorists...not bomb the entire city and kill everyone. What the fuck is wrong with you Zionists?

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How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?




Strategic military campaigns that are concerned with precision. If there is a tumor on your leg, you surgically go in and remove the tumor not cut off the leg. Oh, and how about trading prisoners?

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people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.




And how is bombing an entire population going to help? How about pulling back the 1967 borders, engaging in diplomacy, helping the Palestinians build up their economy, ceasing the ethnic cleansing policies that Israel uses against the Palestinians, and carefully removing the terrorist organizations?

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I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.




Your support of Israel disgusts me.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880738 - 07/20/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Normally, I'd point out the ridiculousness of saying that anti-zionism and criticism of Israel amount to anti-semitism. However, lately I have noticed a couple people who actually have expressed anti-semitic sentiments. Some of those same people have also expressed racist ideas about blacks and other races. The Shroomery has had racists before, but usually they make a lot of noise and get banned quickly. This time, they seem to be keeping a lower profile, and while I strongly disagree with their views, I commend them for being more civil this time around.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880807 - 07/20/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Heres the deal. Israel does everything wrong in the quest for peace, they sit on their fucking high horse, which was built by the US government, and look down on the arab nations. They feel the same stupid and savage hate for muslims as they muslim feel for them, they are at heart, the same people. I thought Israel was supposed to be one of those "civilized, democractic, peace loving nations"

They are both foolish in what they do, every person killed on either side is a fucking tragedy, everyone who has any hate in themselves within that entire region, really needs to pull their heads out of their asses, but its never going to happen. They will continue to murder, bomb, and whatever else they take pleasure in doing.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880813 - 07/20/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If Israel cared about getting those soldiers back, they would march into Lebanon and take them back.

Do they expect one of those bombs they've been dropping is going to transform into a magic carpet which will sweep the two guys back to Israel?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880823 - 07/20/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's funny how people refer to anti-Jewish/Zionism as "Anti-Semetism" As if the people from Lebanon are from a vastly different tribe or something. Like when the Egyptian leader was in DC and someone questions his statement relating to the accuracy of the numbers of people 'executed' in the Holocaust™, he was then called an "Anti-Semite". He said "how can I be anti-semetic, I am a semite". Of course, the Jews have all but copyrighted that label as a way to extort money from people.

If you jews want your own exclusive race/nation, hey, thats not a problem with me. I personally would prefer an all-White America. But I don't see the why, (actually, I see perfectly clearly why) America is kissing Zionist ass all of the time.

This "conflict" shows that Israel has no problem "defending itself" (by defending itself, I of course mean bombing bridges,infrastructure, civilian targets and invading a soverign nation), so I see no need for America to offer our support of Israel any longer. Let these tribes war it out as they have for thousands of years. It's not our business.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880829 - 07/20/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Dimmy said:
With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.

I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.

Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.

This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.

Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.

Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.

How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?

people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.

These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: RuNE]
    #5880833 - 07/20/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
    #5880870 - 07/20/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Israel and the US has been known to fund/create/arm whatever the very same terrorist organizations that are the so called enemies.The Mossad created Hamas and they where backed by Netanyahu to fight against the Palestinian Liberation Organization.Installing puppet political parties in Lebanon like the Phalange.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5880885 - 07/20/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Dimmy said:
With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, I'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.




The term Terrorist is subjective and is interchangeable with the term Freedom fighter depending on your point of view.

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Dimmy said:
I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.





The shroomery has been filled with anti Muslim sentiment for years now. I did a thread search and failed to find any posts where you criticized examples of derogatory or biased opinion toward Arabic or Muslim people.

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Dimmy said:
Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.




How many shells and missiles has Israel fired into Lebanese civilian areas during the same time?
Why does Israel target infrastructure that is essential for the health and safety of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians? eg: Power stations, roads and ports?
Hamas would cease suicide attacks tomorrow if they were armed with helicopter gunships and military jets. They use the limited means available to them just as Israel uses the military hardware supplied by other nations to the full extent.

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Dimmy said:
This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i don't know what is.




Israel has been kidnapping foreign nationals, particularly Palestinians under the false guise of legal arrest and imprisonment for years. Yet when the reverse happens, Israel responds by starting a war.

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Dimmy said:Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.




Please explain what difference it makes to those who are killed and the families involved?
Also keep in mind that during this conflict, over 90% of Lebanese casualties have been civilians. Do you find that statistic acceptable?

My previous comment regarding resources is also applicable here, Hamas and hezbolla use suicide attacks and crude rockets because that's all they have available. Give them some of your modern war planes and tanks and see if they still use their old methods!

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Dimmy said:
Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.






Are you going to tell me that Israel has no military infrastructure in or near it's own populated areas?
Do you honestly think that hezbolla should be expected to move all of it's very limited military hardware and fighters into open areas so that Israeli jets can destroy them?

Most of the footage taken from Israeli jets showing the destruction of hezbolla missile launcher has clearly shown that the rockets were being fired from non urban sites.

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How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?




The actions of the Israeli government have been offensive not defensive in this current conflict, Israel chose to initiate fighting with hezbolla by launching the first attacks against southern Lebanon, it is hezbolla that are defending themselves from aggression started by Israel.

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people say that these Arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for Arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these Arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the Arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.




While it's true that Israel has been kind enough to "designate" land to the Palestinians that the Palestinians already owned, Israel has continued to follow a policy of building settlements in the occupied territories. Why do you think they are called the "occupied territories"?

It's true that some among the Muslims are fanatics wishing to deny the Israelis a state but the same can be said for ultra orthodox Jews opposing a Palestinian state.

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These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just don't understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.




I don't understand how you can say some of the things you do.

Atrocities have always been common on both sides of the Arab/Israeli conflict, neither side is innocent of brutality. Please try and look at the broader view and quit pretending that Israel is a paragon of virtue which can do no wrong.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Hanky]
    #5880893 - 07/20/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Atrocities have always been common on both sides of the Arab/Israeli conflict, neither side is innocent of brutality. Please try and look at the broader view and quit pretending that Israel is a paragon of virtue which can do no wrong.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Hanky]
    #5880899 - 07/20/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent post hanky.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880906 - 07/20/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

agreed.

There is to much biased opinions in this world.

What we need is an understanding of the ultimate truth.

We need to understand that we are all here together and in essence one big family. So why cant we let go of the Sibel rivalry and just be one happy family?!?!?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880910 - 07/20/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5880964 - 07/20/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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It's funny how people refer to anti-Jewish/Zionism as "Anti-Semetism" As if the people from Lebanon are from a vastly different tribe or something.




Umm, in the light of that statement, please explain this one to me:

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Hah, thats amusing. A race of short dicked little heebs, cutting the ends of their cocks off, is "pnwing" people. Yea right. Like I said, someday the shoes gonna be on the other foot, and when that happens, the anti-Jew backlash is gonna be so great we'll juts wipe them from the planet like a turd from a butthole.




I leave it to the local moderators, but I would've banned you for it and I can fully understand how the threadstarter gets upset with this sort of thing. I still disagree mostly with Dimmy, but here's an example of the anti-Jewish/Anti-Semitic sentiments he speaks of, so it in fact does happen.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
    #5881011 - 07/20/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Racist are hypocrites most of the time.


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    #5881038 - 07/20/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: poboy]
    #5881227 - 07/20/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I hate to pull out this chestnut, but I have a couple of Jewish friends. To be a bit more specific about two of them, one I've known for about a dozen years and he's saved my ass many times. The other is one of the coolest people I know. I have nothing whatseover against Jews. In fact I hold Jews a bit higher than I do most religions because the Torah is basically a collection of debates and the "losing" side is represented too. That's pretty cool.

Having said that, I think all sides of this are culpable.

First, this aggression did not start with the kidnapping of the IDF soldier, no matter how many times the TV tells you it did.

Second, 300 innocent Lebanese are dead over something they didn't do. That's a fact. Over a thousand wounded.

You wrote:
"Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets. "

Do me a favor and line up two dead civilians. One was killed intentionally by Hezbollah, the other was killed unintentionally by Israel. You tell me which is a better death. Tell their family, too.

I'm against people who kill and that goes for Hamas, that goes for Hezbollah and that goes for Israel.

That doesn't make me an anti-semite.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881232 - 07/20/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Listen, I'm anti-people-fucking-the-world-up.

I hate the whole Middle East equally. They're all a bunch of dumbasses with a long list of complaints and just as many RPG's.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: DNKYD]
    #5881241 - 07/20/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What about the US, then?  :rolleyes:  How can you hate a region when war is widespread geographically and historically?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: dickdeadly]
    #5881256 - 07/20/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't care who's side you take, but if you're going to be a bigot like D_U_S, I'm gonna ban you for as long as I can.

This covers being anti-Jew, anti-Muslim, what have you.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: dickdeadly]
    #5881263 - 07/20/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What about the US, then?  :rolleyes:  How can you hate a region when war is widespread geographically and historically?




They have been doing this shit for thousands of years. They should have just done us all a favor years ago and finished the whole region off. Then maybe we could split it up nicely without them having to still fight over it.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881264 - 07/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Have you ever gone into shroomery IRC? Lots of people talking about "niggers" and rape...

The world is a hateful place, sorry.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881265 - 07/20/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are not anti-semetic if we dissaprove of this as much as I am anti-american if i dissaprove of the current bullshit our government does.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5881270 - 07/20/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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We are not anti-semetic if we dissaprove of this as much as I am anti-american if i dissaprove of the current bullshit our government does.





I think Israel likes to pull an America and play the terrorist card.
"You don't support the United States? You're a TERRORIST!"
"You don't support Israel's bullshit war? You're an ANTI-SEMITE!"

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: UnderNose]
    #5881277 - 07/20/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

How much brainwashing is happening on both sides,
everyone thinks they are right, information is filtered and we only absorb what supports our illusions & misconceptions.







I agree.The only sides of the story we know are the sides the media choose to tell us.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
    #5881496 - 07/20/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't care who's side you take, but if you're going to be a bigot like D_U_S, I'm gonna ban you for as long as I can.

This covers being anti-Jew, anti-Muslim, what have you.




What about that self-proclaimed opiate-bigot? :crankey:

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881545 - 07/20/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Its all guerilla war tactics...


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5881557 - 07/20/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hezbollah, IDF, Hamas, United States, Syria, Iran.

For those who think that some (but not all) of these groups support terrorism, please define "terrorism" first. Then we can talk about which state (or non-state) actors are guilty.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
    #5881849 - 07/20/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the definition of Terrorism:

From Dictionary.com:
n : The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
2 : violent and intimidating gang activity

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear


Wikipedia's definition can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism




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With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, I'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.




The term Terrorist is subjective and is interchangeable with the term Freedom fighter depending on your point of view.




When it comes to arab extremest in the middles east, the only accurate term to use is terrorist.
A freedom fighter fights for... freedom and better conditions. The vast majority of the rhetoric used by organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah is not about the need for better infrastructure, but the need to destroy israel and the jews. consider this:

Introduction: Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and God's victory is realized.

Article 7: ... the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of God's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, God bless him and grant him salvation, has said: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O slaves of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharqad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
-from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Hamas covenant
Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Israel, and the United States, and is banned in Jordan

What about Hezbollah? Wikipedia says this: The conflict with Israel is viewed as a central concern [for Hezbollah]. This is not only limited to the IDF presence in Lebanon. Rather, the complete destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of Islamic rule over Jerusalem is an expressed goal.
Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. The European Union does not list Hezbollah as a "terrorist organization", but does list Imad Mugniyah, Hezbollah's senior Intelligence officer, as a terrorist. The EU also supports measures aimed at disarming the group

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I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.





The shroomery has been filled with anti Muslim sentiment for years now. I did a thread search and failed to find any posts where you criticized examples of derogatory or biased opinion toward Arabic or Muslim people.





First of all, i havent seen any such posts. And generally i only read and reply to post that spark my interest.

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Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.




How many shells and missiles has Israel fired into Lebanese civilian areas during the same time?
Why does Israel target infrastructure that is essential for the health and safety of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians? eg: Power stations, roads and ports?
Hamas would cease suicide attacks tomorrow if they were armed with helicopter gunships and military jets. They use the limited means available to them just as Israel uses the military hardware supplied by other nations to the full extent.




why destroy infrastructure? Because its a fucking war and thats what you do in a war.

Hezbollah is regarded by the Iranian and Syrian governments, as a legitimate resistance movement and is a recognized political party in Lebanon, where it has participated in government. The civilian wing participates in the Parliament of Lebanon, taking 18% of the seats (23 out of 128) and the bloc it forms with others, the "Resistance and Development Bloc", 27.3% (see Lebanese general election, 2005). It is a minority partner in the current Cabinet.

Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. Lebanon has done nothin to disarm this widely recognized terrorist organization and therefore share the blame for Hezbollah's actions. Asking why Lebanon's infrastructure is being targeted in attacks is like asking why Germany was bombed in WW2.


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This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i don't know what is.




Israel has been kidnapping foreign nationals, particularly Palestinians under the false guise of legal arrest and imprisonment for years. Yet when the reverse happens, Israel responds by starting a war.




There is a difference between detaining known terrorist and kidnapping soldiers. I can't believe how no matter what happens, its always israel fault. Next your gonna tell me how everyone dies but, israel gets all pissed off when some "freedom fighter" get on a public bus and blows himself up.

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Hamas and hezbolla use suicide attacks and crude rockets because that's all they have available. Give them some of your modern war planes and tanks and see if they still use their old methods!




why not give osama a nuke?

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Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.






Are you going to tell me that Israel has no military infrastructure in or near it's own populated areas?
Do you honestly think that hezbolla should be expected to move all of it's very limited military hardware and fighters into open areas so that Israeli jets can destroy them?

Most of the footage taken from Israeli jets showing the destruction of hezbolla missile launcher has clearly shown that the rockets were being fired from non urban sites.





First of all, it doesnt matter where israeli military installments are because the terrorist groups in question dont target the military bases, they target civilians with no form of defence. If they did attack the military then they would be Guerrilla Warfare and not Terrorism.

No i dont think Hezbollah should act like a real military and have military bases and stockpiles because they aren't a real military. I've never seen the IDF hide its warheads in an apartment building, oh yeah! thats because the IDF aren't terrorists.

Hezbollah missiles launched from non populated areas. your right. this is because their missile launchers are portable to they get on mountain tops as close to the israeli boarder as possible and fire into israel. If they fired from where they keep their missiles then it would just hit another Lebanese apartment building.

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How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?




The actions of the Israeli government have been offensive not defensive in this current conflict, Israel chose to initiate fighting with hezbolla by launching the first attacks against southern Lebanon, it is hezbolla that are defending themselves from aggression started by Israel.




Aggression started by israel? what the fuck are you talking about. Try reading a paper or watching the news for once. This conflict started in response to kidnapped soldiers and missile attacks against israel.
Israel attacked southern Lebanon as a response. It seems like you have no idea what is actually goin on in this war.

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people say that these Arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for Arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these Arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the Arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.




While it's true that Israel has been kind enough to "designate" land to the Palestinians that the Palestinians already owned, Israel has continued to follow a policy of building settlements in the occupied territories. Why do you think they are called the "occupied territories"?

It's true that some among the Muslims are fanatics wishing to deny the Israelis a state but the same can be said for ultra orthodox Jews opposing a Palestinian state.




I'm pretty sure israel completely pulled out of Gaza several months ago but, for some reason Hamas still found it necessary to kidnap a soldier. So it turns out that even with the opportunity to build a new sovereign country free of any israeli control, they still couldnt give up old habits.
Let me tell you that you have no clue as to what ultra orthodox jews believe. try not to show your ignorance that obviously because many ultra orthodox dont believe israel has the right to exist either.


once again in closing, i will quote myself.

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If tomorrow, all the arabs destroyed their weapons and stopped fighting Israel, they would be peace in the middle east. Yet if Israel threw all of its weapons into the sea, there would be another holocaust.





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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881918 - 07/20/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You're jacking your own thread :smirk:

Wasn't this about anti-semitism and anti-israel stances on the Shroomery?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881928 - 07/20/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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yes i am.

Are you a nazi, just out of curiosity?






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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
    #5881968 - 07/20/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

He's just jackin it along with everyone else. It was pretty much inevitable that this thread would turn into what it has....


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: MasterOfTheToys]
    #5881970 - 07/20/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well, it is a valid question given the context..


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5881974 - 07/20/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

zionists are just as bad as jihadists. they kill just as many children. only the zionists use tanks and bulldozers. the jihadists use bombs


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #5882026 - 07/20/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What will satisfy the arab world other than putting all israelis into a large boat and sinking it? I don't think anything short of "kill all israeli infidels painfully" will bring peace to that region.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5882027 - 07/20/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5882035 - 07/20/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.

I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.

Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.

This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.

Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.

Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.

How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?

people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.

These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.



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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5882061 - 07/20/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.




Tar and feather them!  They have no right to be on the internet.

:smirk:

If you support this war, then ok.  I just have one question:

When this war is over, what will have been accomplished that is worth this many violent deaths?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #5882065 - 07/20/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

something to make another movie about :smile:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: rod]
    #5882084 - 07/20/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, Dimmy makes many good points there. Israel is basically doomed.

The arab world will not be satisfied until israel is destroyed. There will be no peace deal. Only war against a population that is many times larger than isreal's with a birth rate many times larger than isreal's.

BTW, know what the average age is in Lebanon? 15 years. Like rabbits.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: MasterOfTheToys]
    #5882086 - 07/20/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MasterOfTheToys said:
something to make another movie about :smile:




and sadly thats about it.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5882090 - 07/20/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Israel will pwn the arab nations over and over.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5882101 - 07/20/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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adjust said:
Yes, Dimmy makes many good points there. Israel is basically doomed.

The arab world will not be satisfied until israel is destroyed. There will be no peace deal. Only war against a population that is many times larger than isreal's with a birth rate many times larger than isreal's.

BTW, know what the average age is in Lebanon? 15 years. Like rabbits.




You know, you dont ever hear about Neutron Bombs anymore.
I wonder if Israel has any?
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #5882106 - 07/20/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

For now.

But they can't keep this up. Some day they won't be strong enough to defend themselves, they may even be attacked with nuclear weapons.

I don't see how one tiny country can repel the entire middle east forever.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5882142 - 07/20/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Dimmy said:
Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.




Its called military strategy...

And Israels attacks on the actual infrastructure like water towers and power plants have caused a pretty bad humanitarian crisis.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #5882148 - 07/20/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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bhamlaxy said:
Quote:

Dimmy said:
Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.




Its called military strategy...

And Israels attacks on the actual infrastructure like water towers and power plants have caused a pretty bad humanitarian crisis.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5882171 - 07/20/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Afroshroomerican said:
Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
It's pretty simple actually.

Most people who are into the "drug culture" lean toward the Left-Wing of the political spectrum. One of the hallmarks of the extreme Left-Wing is the hatred of the strong and the love of the weak. Corporations are bad...small mom and pom stores are good. White people are bad....black people are oppressed victims. Israel (with its powerful and modern military) is bad....and all Arab militia movements (with low-tech weapons) are good. etc.. etc..

They have an unreasonable and misguided love of the "underdog" in every situation.




I think he pretty much summed up your questions here. great post.




Hmm, except NOT in my case. Ive been a member of the so called drug-culture for over 20 yrs now and I dont on principle lean towards the left, I dont hate the strong and love the weak, I dont hate corporations on principle, I dont think black people are oppressed and I dont think have any love for either Jews or Arabs. Fuck, you believe much bullshit. Up your ass for sterotyping me you prejudice fuck.


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    #5882183 - 07/20/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Gratos said:
Quote:

Afroshroomerican said:
Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
It's pretty simple actually.

Most people who are into the "drug culture" lean toward the Left-Wing of the political spectrum. One of the hallmarks of the extreme Left-Wing is the hatred of the strong and the love of the weak. Corporations are bad...small mom and pom stores are good. White people are bad....black people are oppressed victims. Israel (with its powerful and modern military) is bad....and all Arab militia movements (with low-tech weapons) are good. etc.. etc..

They have an unreasonable and misguided love of the "underdog" in every situation.




I think he pretty much summed up your questions here. great post.




Hmm, except NOT in my case. Ive been a member of the so called drug-culture for over 20 yrs now and I dont on principle lean towards the left, I dont hate the strong and love the weak, I dont hate corporations on principle, I dont think black people are oppressed and I dont think have any love for either Jews or Arabs. Fuck, you believe much bullshit. Up your ass for sterotyping me you prejudice fuck.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: MasterOfTheToys]
    #5882577 - 07/20/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Dimmy writes:
"When it comes to arab extremest in the middles east, the only accurate term to use is terrorist. "

That's true. But what is also true is that the United States are terrorists under the definition you provided.

This isn't opinion, this is historical record.

"A freedom fighter fights for... freedom and better conditions. The vast majority of the rhetoric used by organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah is not about the need for better infrastructure, but the need to destroy israel and the jews."

This is not at all true. What you're doing is placing a western fixation on rhetoric over substance. The simple fact is that Hezbollah has provided infrastructure such as schools and hospitals which we can all agree are "better conditions." That they have a militant wing means ...what, exactly? So do we.

I'm not saying that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist organization. I'm saying we are too.

"why destroy infrastructure? Because its a fucking war and thats what you do in a war. "

So the WTC was fair game in your opinion? After all, al Queda was clearly at war with us. And it wasn't declared on 9/11. Remember the USS Cole?

I'm only asking for consistency.

"There is a difference between detaining known terrorist and kidnapping soldiers."

It's ok to kidnap someone because they're a terrorist. And they're a terrorist because we say so.
It's not ok to kill soldiers because they're not terrorists. And they're not terrorists because we say so.

I think I got it.

"I can't believe how no matter what happens, its always israel fault."

No, the fault belongs to every single party in the region. I'm anti-death. If you violate that, I'm not a fan anymore. It's really that simple.

"why not give osama a nuke?"

I think what Dimmy is trying to say is that crude measures are the only option available. Put another way, if my country was occupied like some of these people's countries are occupied, I'd be responding in the same way.

Wouldn't you?

"I've never seen the IDF hide its warheads in an apartment building, oh yeah! thats because the IDF aren't terrorists. "

Right, the IDF demolishes houses of people with no involvement in terrorist activities.

Again, not saying that Hamas is populated with angels. I'm pointing out that there is another side to this. Which you seem to be missing completely.

"Aggression started by israel? what the fuck are you talking about. Try reading a paper or watching the news for once. This conflict started in response to kidnapped soldiers and missile attacks against israel. "

This is a popular myth which can be shown for one simply by speaking it out loud; the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel started when that soldier was kidnapped?

Really??

Perhaps it is you that should do some reading.

Tell me -- and be honest -- when was the last time you actually sat down and listened to Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah talk at any length about this war? I don't mean a 10-second sound byte on CNN, I mean actually sat down and listened to a whole interview.

What strikes me as odd is your arguing with Israel-is-the-root-of-all-evil types by taking a Hezbollah/Hamas-is-the-root-of-all-evil position.

I'm reminded of two cripples, fighting.

" It's true that some among the Muslims are fanatics wishing to deny the Israelis a state but the same can be said for ultra orthodox Jews opposing a Palestinian state."

This is untrue. The Muslims just don't want it to be in Israel. In fact Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, suggested they be in Germany.

"I'm pretty sure israel completely pulled out of Gaza several months ago but, for some reason Hamas still found it necessary to kidnap a soldier."

And yet you're not curious enough to find out why it happened? What do you suppose? Shits and giggles?

"So it turns out that even with the opportunity to build a new sovereign country free of any israeli control, they still couldnt give up old habits. "

Yeah. The refusal of Israel and the U.S. to deal with the democratically-elected government wouldn't have anything to do with it...

adjust writes:
"What will satisfy the arab world other than putting all israelis into a large boat and sinking it?"

The Jews being given a homeland anywhere else might suit them just fine. Let's not go overboard.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
    #5882786 - 07/20/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

splifner180 said:
Dimmy writes:
"When it comes to arab extremest in the middles east, the only accurate term to use is terrorist. "

That's true.  But what is also true is that the United States are terrorists under the definition you provided.

This isn't opinion, this is historical record.

"A freedom fighter fights for... freedom and better conditions. The vast majority of the rhetoric used by organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah is not about the need for better infrastructure, but the need to destroy israel and the jews."

This is not at all true.  What you're doing is placing a western fixation on rhetoric over substance.  The simple fact is that Hezbollah has provided infrastructure such as schools and hospitals which we can all agree are "better conditions."  That they have a militant wing means ...what, exactly?  So do we.

I'm not saying that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist organization.  I'm saying we are too.

"why destroy infrastructure? Because its a fucking war and thats what you do in a war. "

So the WTC was fair game in your opinion?  After all, al Queda was clearly at war with us.  And it wasn't declared on 9/11.  Remember the USS Cole?

I'm only asking for consistency.

"There is a difference between detaining known terrorist and kidnapping soldiers."

It's ok to kidnap someone because they're a terrorist.  And they're a terrorist because we say so. 
It's not ok to kill soldiers because they're not terrorists.  And they're not terrorists because we say so.

I think I got it.

"I can't believe how no matter what happens, its always israel fault."

No, the fault belongs to every single party in the region.  I'm anti-death.  If you violate that, I'm not a fan anymore.  It's really that simple.

"why not give osama a nuke?"

I think what Dimmy is trying to say is that crude measures are the only option available.  Put another way, if my country was occupied like some of these people's countries are occupied, I'd be responding in the same way.

Wouldn't you?

"I've never seen the IDF hide its warheads in an apartment building, oh yeah! thats because the IDF aren't terrorists. "

Right, the IDF demolishes houses of people with no involvement in terrorist activities.

Again, not saying that Hamas is populated with angels.  I'm pointing out that there is another side to this.  Which you seem to be missing completely.

"Aggression started by israel? what the fuck are you talking about. Try reading a paper or watching the news for once. This conflict started in response to kidnapped soldiers and missile attacks against israel. "

This is a popular myth which can be shown for one simply by speaking it out loud; the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel started when that soldier was kidnapped? 

Really??

Perhaps it is you that should do some reading.

Tell me -- and be honest -- when was the last time you actually sat down and listened to Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah talk at any length about this war?  I don't mean a 10-second sound byte on CNN, I mean actually sat down and listened to a whole interview.

What strikes me as odd is your arguing with Israel-is-the-root-of-all-evil types by taking a Hezbollah/Hamas-is-the-root-of-all-evil position.

I'm reminded of two cripples, fighting.

" It's true that some among the Muslims are fanatics wishing to deny the Israelis a state but the same can be said for ultra orthodox Jews opposing a Palestinian state."

This is untrue.  The Muslims just don't want it to be in Israel.  In fact Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, suggested they be in Germany.

"I'm pretty sure israel completely pulled out of Gaza several months ago but, for some reason Hamas still found it necessary to kidnap a soldier."

And yet you're not curious enough to find out why it happened?  What do you suppose?  Shits and giggles?

"So it turns out that even with the opportunity to build a new sovereign country free of any israeli control, they still couldnt give up old habits. "

Yeah.  The refusal of Israel and the U.S. to deal with the democratically-elected government wouldn't have anything to do with it...

adjust writes:
"What will satisfy the arab world other than putting all israelis into a large boat and sinking it?"

The Jews being given a homeland anywhere else might suit them just fine.  Let's not go overboard.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: dickdeadly]
    #5882988 - 07/20/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Arbitrarily giving Jews a homeland elsewhere will never happen, it's not an option, the land they are on is their historic homeland. These militant Islamic groups want to wipe out the state of Israel, "push it into the sea." The Israelis pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, they pulled out of Gaza, the Palestinians have their own state, yet Hamas and Hezbollah still attack Israel, and they won't stop. Not until Israel is no more, it's not about their freedom, it's about the death of Israel.

Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill, it reminds me of the Nazis with their V1 and V2 missals in WW2. They just launch them towards population centers, these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists. They strap themselves with bombs and board a bus during rush hour, or send a rigged car into busy intersections. They're cowards.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #5883073 - 07/20/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Israel will pwn the arab nations over and over.




For how long?

Just a few Months ago the Palestinians where throwing Rocks at the troops of Israel. Now, Hezbollah terrorist' are launching Katyusha rockets at Israeli cities......


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
    #5883094 - 07/20/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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gdman said:
Arbitrarily giving Jews a homeland elsewhere will never happen, it's not an option, the land they are on is their historic homeland. These militant Islamic groups want to wipe out the state of Israel, "push it into the sea." The Israelis pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, they pulled out of Gaza, the Palestinians have their own state, yet Hamas and Hezbollah still attack Israel, and they won't stop. Not until Israel is no more, it's not about their freedom, it's about the death of Israel.

Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill, it reminds me of the Nazis with their V1 and V2 missals in WW2. They just launch them towards population centers, these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists. They strap themselves with bombs and board a bus during rush hour, or send a rigged car into busy intersections. They're cowards.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5883103 - 07/20/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

1. 2 diffrent groups of people

2. those missles are the military equivilent of throwing rocks, they're very primitive, I could probably make a couple in an afternoon without much effort with available supplies, great for a terroist though, something they can fire willy nilly, since they don't care who they kill... women, children, fellow arabs apparently are fair game too.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5883196 - 07/20/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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For how long?




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
    #5883240 - 07/20/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

gdman said:
Arbitrarily giving Jews a homeland elsewhere will never happen, it's not an option, the land they are on is their historic homeland. These militant Islamic groups want to wipe out the state of Israel, "push it into the sea." The Israelis pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, they pulled out of Gaza, the Palestinians have their own state, yet Hamas and Hezbollah still attack Israel, and they won't stop. Not until Israel is no more, it's not about their freedom, it's about the death of Israel.

Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill, it reminds me of the Nazis with their V1 and V2 missals in WW2. They just launch them towards population centers, these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists. They strap themselves with bombs and board a bus during rush hour, or send a rigged car into busy intersections. They're cowards.




Is it possible that it's Israel that want's to destroy the middle east? Their actions certainly back that.Their crimes against their neighbors doesnt make them out as angels.Just remember who started the whole thing. The Islamists are nothing more than the bullied pushing back.And I have dificulty taking the side of the nation that is developing a ethnic biological bomb to kill all the arabs,and made marrige with gentiles illegal.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: buckwheat]
    #5883430 - 07/21/06 01:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, the israelis recently bombed a refugee camp! Id like to commend their very humanitarian and ethical military strategy!


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #5883549 - 07/21/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What the US really needs to do in this conflict is air drop weed and bob  marley cds... and maybe cd players, batteries, rolling papers, and lighters :laugh:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5883628 - 07/21/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)


With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.


Let's take these points one at a time.

-Blatantly Anti-Semitic.

This is a term that has been devalued by the israeli government and their supporters.

Anti semitism used to mean wishing hurt onto jews, now it seems to mean not wishing fiery death on all muslims.

-Anti Istael.

This has nothing to do with antisemitism, how much people like to conflate the two. But hey, I'm used to it. in the 1980s, the South African government called their detractors traitors to the white cause and supporters of terrorists (the ANC)

Being against a government that kidnaps people ouside of their sovereign territory is normal (true, no one cared when that shit Eichmann was taken, but the kidnap and subsequent jailing for over a decade of Mordechai Vanunu is beyond the pale) Being against a government that believes that political assasination is acceptable, is the right thing to do in my book. Being against a government that calls itself a democracy, but doesn't allow a large majority of its citizens the vote or free movement within the country is OK by me.


-I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.

Both Hezbollah and Hamas were democratically elected. Much as we may despise their methods, not recognizing them as political parties is saying the democracy is too important to be left to the people.

-I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

See my comments about political assasination and kidnap above.

-I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

Again, if people call for the death of all Jews, then this is wrong, if they merely apportion blame on both sides, then this is another example of the devaluation of the term antisemitism.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.

People tend to surprise you. Open debate includes opinions that may be unpalatable to you. The right response is reasoned debate, not invective.

Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.

This didn't happen in a vacuum. It's a response of systematic repression of and aggression towards the arab minority. The massacres in Sabra and Shatila are but one example. Indiscriminate killing of men women and children, including foreign peace activists doesn't help either.

This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.

Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.


Whether the killing is intentional or collateral, the people are just as dead. Continued shelling of the infrasructure is guaranteed to kill huge numbers of people and destabilize Lebanon even further.

I don't see mass evacuations from Israeli soil.

Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.

That still doesn't excuse Israel from the accepted rules of international warfare.

How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?

As Desmond Tutu once wisely said: "You don't make peace with your friends."


people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.

These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.


More Islamophobic invective. If you don't approve of Anti-Semitism, then please keep your bigotry to yourself.


I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.


I'm sorry, but to someone who isn't fervently supporting one side or the other in this conflict, the facts appear less black-and-white.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #5883683 - 07/21/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hezbulah has captured Israeli soldiers in the past and the whole problem ended when they did a prisoner swap. This has happened a couple times in the past.

Now the saying "Give an inch and they take a mile" seems to be very fitting here.
Well, Hezbulah wants a prisoner swap and I'm guessing since it worked in the past that it will work again. Israel won't settle for this bullshit and they're not going to be bitched around for a prisoner swap every time someone captures some of their soldiers.

That's my interpretation of it.

I remember Clinton trying to negotiate peace with Arafat/Palestine/Hamas(I consider them all the same) and Israel. The day after the signing of a "cease fire" there would be a suicide bombing.

I'm Jewish so I thought, "hey maybe I'll read the Jerusalem Post every day and see what's happenin in Israel." It seemed articles about suicide attacks were too common. (have in mind this was when Clinton was in office and Arafat was still around) From what I've heard, Israel has had far less suicide attacks nowadays. But I'm pretty sure the Israeli army isn't just bombing Lebanon for fun.

When I played hockey, we had an alright defense, but our offense was amazing. The aggression put on by the offense may save a couple shots at our net that could be potential goals for the other team. Keeping the opposition occupied with much offense leaves little room to regroup and retaliate.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #5883701 - 07/21/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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zionists are just as bad as jihadists. they kill just as many children. only the zionists use tanks and bulldozers. the jihadists use bombs



The zionists use tanks, bulldozers, bombs, settlements. People in America are "shocked" by Hamas being voted into power because they're idiots. Western media doesn't tell us Hamas and Hezbollah build infrastructure and distribute food, while the Western-backed, basically propped-up governments do nothing and live like kings, a lot like how the US and UK governments are. People don't even bother to research this. They believe whatever CNN tells them.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5883702 - 07/21/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

so war is a sport now?


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    #5883727 - 07/21/06 06:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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so war is a sport now?




Just another way to look at it.

Though if you ever played any team sports and the coach gets his board out to draw out plays, they're commanding their forces.... so yes. I'll compare war to a sports, especially team sports. Much rather, a game... A sport requires physical, mental, strategical, and technical abilities. A sport would be tennis, track and field events, swimming... In a game like football, hockey, tennis, and chess; you can have your physical, mental, and technique down, but if you have poor strategy then you can be handled by a team that is far from intimidating. For example; UF vs South Carolina. Sure UF has superior facilities and knowledgable staff and they have the top recruits in the country. They develop their physique to utter greatness but Urban Meyer couldn't match the simple, yet clever, strategy of Steve Spurrier who dominated over the highly ranked Gators.
--I goto UF and don't like Urban... or all his staff that have done a 180 in training at a college level.

But back from goin on a tangent... Yeah I believe war is like a sport. Paintball is a war with painballs and you'd use similar strategies as if you were in life-threatening combat.


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    #5883922 - 07/21/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Of course they bombed the camp, hezbollah was hiding a base of operations in it, they seem to get off on putting their women, children, and other civilians in danger by hiding weapons and other targets of military significance in civilian homes, hospitals, etc.


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    #5884114 - 07/21/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Both Hezbollah and Hamas were democratically elected. Much as we may despise their methods, not recognizing them as political parties is saying the democracy is too important to be left to the people.




Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist".


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
    #5884226 - 07/21/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill




it's aparent that isreal doesnt care either, instead of calling it terrorism
they have the option of calling it collateral damage because they're a
sanctioned military

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these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists.




look at US history for a moment, it wasnt just soldiers fighting the
revolutionary war, it wasnt just soldiers that murdered 6 million indians,
where in is the difference, america has it's share of hitler like genocide
which included killing anything living included women, children and ponies

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
    #5884232 - 07/21/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course they bombed the camp, hezbollah was hiding a base of operations in it, they seem to get off on putting their women, children, and other civilians in danger by hiding weapons and other targets of military significance in civilian homes, hospitals, etc.





ever heard of the Mossad? I'm sure theres other ways to eliminate the combatants
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #5884251 - 07/21/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

gdman writes:
"Arbitrarily giving Jews a homeland elsewhere will never happen..."

How do you think they got into Israel in the middle of last century??

"...it's not an option, the land they are on is their historic homeland."

That ended with the Romans in what? 600AD? That's 1,400 years ago.

Saying that Israel is some kind of Jewish birthright would be like saying, in the year 3200AD, that the United States is the historical birthright of American Indians.

The reality of the situation is that ownership of land is a function of occupying it and defending it. So long as any group of people can do that, it's theirs. It's ugly and it's barbaric, but that's how it is.

"These militant Islamic groups want to wipe out the state of Israel, "push it into the sea." The Israelis pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, they pulled out of Gaza, the Palestinians have their own state, yet Hamas and Hezbollah still attack Israel, and they won't stop. Not until Israel is no more, it's not about their freedom, it's about the death of Israel. "

I'll certainly agree that this is true but you present it like the Arabs want the Jews gone just because. You imagine, somehow, that there is no impetus.

"Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill, it reminds me of the Nazis with their V1 and V2 missals in WW2. They just launch them towards population centers, these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists."

That's completely true. But you have conveniently left out the 300 dead, 1,000 wounded and 500,000 displaced Lebanese civilians.

Why do you only see innocent Jewish deaths? BOTH are abominations.

Redstorm writes:
"As long as we support them. "

Our ability to do this might change radically within the next 20, 30 years.

Parabolalala writes:
"What the US really needs to do in this conflict is air drop weed and bob marley cds... and maybe cd players, batteries, rolling papers, and lighters"

Right on, brother. =)

koppie writes:
"Anti semitism used to mean wishing hurt onto jews, now it seems to mean not wishing fiery death on all muslims."

Well said.

"People tend to surprise you. Open debate includes opinions that may be unpalatable to you. The right response is reasoned debate, not invective. "

More wisdom.

"This didn't happen in a vacuum"

I think we're the only ones who notice this tidbit.

Basically, a huge thumbs-up to your entire post.

Redstorm writes:
"Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist". "

Cuts both ways, doesn't it?

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
    #5884335 - 07/21/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Prisoner#1 writes:
"ever heard of the Mossad? I'm sure theres other ways to eliminate the combatants while leaving the majority of non-combatants out of harms way..."

Good point. I guess they never saw Munich.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
    #5884346 - 07/21/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
    #5884347 - 07/21/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure they dont use these tactics because it's not as effective at striking
'terror' into the hearts and minds of the 'terrorists'

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
    #5884467 - 07/21/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist". "

Cuts both ways, doesn't it?




Yes it does. I just don't understand why it seems like you were trying to make it seem like Hezbollah is not a terrorist organizatiom.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #5884742 - 07/21/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Redstorm writes:
"Yes it does. I just don't understand why it seems like you were trying to make it seem like Hezbollah is not a terrorist organizatiom."

I think we have a case of crossthreading here.

koppie wrote:
"Both Hezbollah and Hamas were democratically elected."

You (Redstorm), replying to koppie, wrote:
"Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist"."

I (splifner180), replying to you (Redstorm) wrote:
"Cuts both ways, doesn't it?"

So perhaps you meant to say that koppie was implying that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist group?

Saying it "cuts both ways," I think, clearly indicates that it applies equally to both sides.

In this thread, I've made numerous comments specifically stating that all parties are to blame:

- "...I think all sides of this are culpable."

- "I'm against people who kill and that goes for Hamas, that goes for Hezbollah and that goes for Israel."

- "Hezbollah, IDF, Hamas, United States, Syria, Iran. For those who think that some (but not all) of these groups support terrorism, please define "terrorism" first."

- "I'm not saying that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist organization. I'm saying we are too."

- "...the fault belongs to every single party in the region. I'm anti-death. If you violate that, I'm not a fan anymore. It's really that simple."

- "Again, not saying that Hamas is populated with angels. I'm pointing out that there is another side to this."

- "Why do you only see innocent Jewish deaths? BOTH are abominations."

I think one would be VERY hard-pressed to suggest I'm saying Israel is the only guilty party here.

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A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot

When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #9551862 - 01/05/09 03:49 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

I am half jewish, and I do not support what Israel does. They DID steal the land and they DO use horrible tactics to defend it from the rightfully pissed off arabs. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear my jewish grandmother talk about how we should kill every muslim in the world, or perhaps just sterilize them. You would think that jews learned something about compassion and humanity during the holocaust, but apparently not.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #9552282 - 01/05/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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I am half jewish, and I do not support what Israel does. They DID steal the land and they DO use horrible tactics to defend it from the rightfully pissed off arabs. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear my jewish grandmother talk about how we should kill every muslim in the world, or perhaps just sterilize them. You would think that jews learned something about compassion and humanity during the holocaust, but apparently not.




I think the lesson they learned was that when there are people who wish to do you harm, take what you can from them and then drop a metric fuck ton of explosives on them ASAP.

good lesson, only the jews are too stingy with the bombs

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
    #9552448 - 01/05/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.

I think though people have to start separating the Jewish people for the Israeli government. They are not one in the same. I know quite a few Jewish people who oppose what the state of Israel has and is doing.


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The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.






They haven't placed anyone into a ghetto, the people moved there by choice in order to try and create their own country. Many (the majority at one time) came from Israel because they hate Jews, and do not want to live around them.


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    #9552590 - 01/05/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Alot of you people talk as if one side is completely innocent and the other is 100% guilty. It isn't that simple, both have fairly valid points, however it is Hamas, Hezbollah, and the associated acts that keep breaking every single fucking peace attempt that has ever passed. Also, enough of this 'wahhhhh they stole our land' shit. It is how it is, you wanna blame Israel? you can't. You need to blame Britan for giving it away to them, what are they going to say? No? And just for fairness, they were there before the Arabs conquered them anyways.

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    #9552625 - 01/05/09 05:45 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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    #9552814 - 01/05/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.






They haven't placed anyone into a ghetto, the people moved there by choice in order to try and create their own country. Many (the majority at one time) came from Israel because they hate Jews, and do not want to live around them.





really, then why the change in the way this map looked,
palestinians just willingly gave up everything else to move
to a tiny area and set a world record for being the most
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    #9552837 - 01/05/09 06:18 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Lets put the point in layman's terms..
1947 - UN gives Jews land to call their own. Dividing up Palestine.
Ever since then the greedy Jewish pigs have been invading all their neighboring Arab countries claiming more land, illegally.
Because israel is the wests only middle eastern ally - they get away with it.
They murder whole families and destroy whole towns for their own selfish greedy cause.
The neighboring Arabs would be understandably pretty fucking pissed off that their land and families are being destroyed.
Would you stand idly by as some greedy fucker destroys everything you know?
I fucken wouldnt, i would want to destroy every motherfucker that represents that which has fucked me over.
Stop listening to all the fucken propaganda you get fed at temple and open your eyes. Stop being such a fucken tool.

When/why did i start hating israel? When i befriended an Jewish israeli ex-patriot who was a tank commander in the idf. The stories she had about what was really going on there was fucken sickening, how would you feel about using shelling schools, family homes and hospitals with tanks. Or how about mowing down young innocent lives with machine guns. Blowing kids brains all over the street and watch as their friends and family try to pick up the pieces.
Shes still a proud Jew, but holy fuck does she hate israel.

How can you be proud of a country that uses military force to commit genocidal acts just as bad as the nazi regime?

Open your fucken eyes.






How is it illegal? Britan OWNED THE FUCKING LAND. They could do with it what they please. Also if i'm not mistaken Israel has less territory than they had upon conception. Like I said, you're acting like a fucking idiot, like one side is 100% guilty and the other is 100% innocent, both have blotches both have shining causes. Do you think Hamas is nice and gentle when slaughtering Israeli's? They purposely hide in hospitals, schools, etc. for both the public opinion bonus of having the opposition demolish a school and the effect it has upon Israeli morale.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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prove differently, refute it, show some evidence


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That map might make a lot more sense if it was in english.


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tomnl bumped a 2 year old thread to start some drama. Now all the freaks are coming out of the woodwork to spew their hatred. Thanks, tomnl!

What's funny is that I read the initial post and I really thought it was a current thread. I almost made a reply to someone, until it notified me that the post I was replying to was 900 days old!

You'd think they'd all get tired of all this fighting after awhile and just chill the fuck out.


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The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.






They haven't placed anyone into a ghetto, the people moved there by choice in order to try and create their own country. Many (the majority at one time) came from Israel because they hate Jews, and do not want to live around them.





really, then why the change in the way this map looked,
palestinians just willingly gave up everything else to move
to a tiny area and set a world record for being the most
crowded place on the planet?






You wanna compare maps?

Lets look at the land that was set aside by the League of Nations in the 20's under the British Mandate of creating a homeland for the Jews.



Then the "arab countries" (which also didn't exist prior to this time) began annexing the land for themselves, and creating new boarders by moving soldiers into the region.


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What a bunch of ignorant fucking garbage.




Agreed.

I think the reason most shroomery people support Israel is because of their white guilt.  They see the palestineans as darker skinned and thus they must be the oppressed minority.  It reduces down to plain old racism, racism for darker colored people.  The shroomery is so full of white guilt it is astounding.  Even puts colleges and universities to shame.


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tomnl bumped a 2 year old thread to start some drama. Now all the freaks are coming out of the woodwork to spew their hatred. Thanks, tomnl!




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Prove what? It was owned by Britan? Or they have less territory than they had when conceived? Cause you proved both with your map.


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I thought this was current too, kinda funny but mostly sad. I thought the whole kidnapping soldier thing sounded old, but figured it just happened again. Clearly nothing has changed in two years.

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You'd think they'd all get tired of all this fighting after awhile and just chill the fuck out.




People have been fighting over that land for pretty much as long as history has been recorded. Lets start another crusade and kick out the jews AND the muslims!


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you call them terrorists, we call them freedom fighters




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I heard on the news today that Israel is using incendiary bombs. And why ban journalists if you have nothing to hide?


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You can call them freedom fighters, but they dont fight for freedom... they fight for islam.





seems to me they fight for their lives


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Now that one is crystal clear! I don't understand blewmeanies at all though, maybe I'm just stupid. I thought I was pretty good at reading maps but I'm 1 for 3 now.


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I heard on the news today that Israel is using incendiary bombs. And why ban journalists if you have nothing to hide?




that's a very good question, why are there israeli checkpoints in
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tomnl bumped a 2 year old thread to start some drama. Now all the freaks are coming out of the woodwork to spew their hatred. Thanks, tomnl!




you call it hatred, we call it truth

you call them terrorists, we call them freedom fighters




Who am I calling terrorists again?

I don't take sides in this issue. Both parties are equally culpable.


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you call them terrorists, we call them freedom fighters




You can call them freedom fighters, but they dont fight for freedom... they fight for islam.





seems to me they fight for their lives




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Now that one is crystal clear! I don't understand blewmeanies at all though, maybe I'm just stupid. I thought I was pretty good at reading maps but I'm 1 for 3 now.




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You wanna compare maps?

Lets look at the land that was set aside by the League of Nations in the 20's under the British Mandate of creating a homeland for the Jews.






the british refused to allow the jews, they folded after 20
years with constant israeli terrorist attacks and pressure from
the US (refusal on reconstruction loans after WWII)
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you call them terrorists, we call them freedom fighters




You can call them freedom fighters, but they dont fight for freedom... they fight for islam.





seems to me they fight for their lives




Oh, so you agree they dont fight for freedom and thus arnt freedom fighters.




is fighting for you life not fighting for the freedom to live?


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The entire thing. Who did what in the 20's and what has changed since?


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Neutrality makes perfect sense in this conflict to me... how anyone can actually support those morbidly delusional people is beyond me though.


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I heard on the news today that Israel is using incendiary bombs. And why ban journalists if you have nothing to hide?




that's a very good question, why are there israeli checkpoints in
gaza if israel pulled out of gaza a couple years ago




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You are obviously on israels because you are a blind sheep that follows the masses and listens to the propanganda.




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The entire thing. Who did what in the 20's and what has changed since?




Thats way too much information to ever go over on a message board.

In the 20's the land that you see here....



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Ok, I'm with you so far. Am I correct in assuming there might have already been a few people living in that large chunk of land that was given to the Jews by people who didn't actually live there?


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Intifada toll Sept 2000 - Sept 2005

PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS

3,218 killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 657 aged under 18, 187 killed in extrajudicial executions and 296 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of assassination operations.

56 killed by security forces in Israel
including one aged under 18

41 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza
including at least three aged under 18

ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

444 civilians killed in Israel
including 80 aged under 18

223 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
including 37 aged under 18

221 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza

84 Israeli security forces killed in Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4294502.stm

Israel killed approximately 4 and a half times more Palestine's in those five years. To me this does not indicate equal culpability.

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is fighting for you life not fighting for the freedom to live?




No it is not.  Fighting for your life is only that, fighting for your life.  Every species on teh planet does that.  Using your definition, every member of every conflict of any species is a freedom fighter.

Your just throwing in the term 'freedom' to tug at americans love of freedom as a form of persuasion.  It has no practical connection to anything that they are fighting for.


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So what if they did? Am i saying that a jewish state is bad? No im not.

What was left as Palestine is a sovereign country. israel has no fucking right invading it, so learn some facts or shut up.






Perhaps you should take your own advise considering no country outside of the Arab world recognizes the Gaza strip as a sovereign nation. Many of the countries in the middle east including Saudi Arabia, and Egypt don't even recognize the current government that is in power.

Egypt annexed "The Gaza Strip" (I believe in the 40's, though it may have been the 50's) and then refused to grant the people who lived there Egyptian citizenship. Hence the position that they are in now.


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Ok, I'm with you so far. Am I correct in assuming there might have already been a few people living in that large chunk of land that was given to the Jews by people who didn't actually live there?




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I heard on the news today that Israel is using incendiary bombs. And why ban journalists if you have nothing to hide?




that's a very good question, why are there israeli checkpoints in
gaza if israel pulled out of gaza a couple years ago




Good point, I guess we should ask the US government the same thing. Why are there checkpoints at the Mexican and Canadian border?




we dont have checkpoints at the nicaragua/honduras border, seems
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Intifada toll Sept 2000 - Sept 2005

PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS

3,218 killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 657 aged under 18, 187 killed in extrajudicial executions and 296 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of assassination operations.

56 killed by security forces in Israel
including one aged under 18

41 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza
including at least three aged under 18

ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

444 civilians killed in Israel
including 80 aged under 18

223 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
including 37 aged under 18

221 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza

84 Israeli security forces killed in Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4294502.stm

Israel killed approximately 4 and a half times more Palestine's in those five years. To me this does not indicate equal culpability.

edit: closer to 3 and a half times




I'm not keeping "score" via bodycount. Both sides are perpetuating the violence. Both sides need to stop the violence. The only other possible ending to this is for one or both peoples to be eliminated completely. Which would you say is the more ideal option there?


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is fighting for you life not fighting for the freedom to live?




No it is not.  Fighting for your life is only that, fighting for your life.  Every species on teh planet does that.  Using your definition, every member of every conflict of any species is a freedom fighter.

Your just throwing in the term 'freedom' to tug at americans love of freedom as a form of persuasion.  It has no practical connection to anything that they are fighting for.





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I used to work with a jewish israeli ex-patriot idf tank commander you fucking tool. How un-biased is that. I got my info straight from the source, not filtered by the jewish owened american news like the rest of the israel supporters.




So essentially you got propaganda from a single source. You're a damn fool if you think an individual's experiences can be extrapolated accurately to the whole reality.

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So what if they did? Am i saying that a jewish state is bad? No im not.

What was left as Palestine is a sovereign country. israel has no fucking right invading it, so learn some facts or shut up.






Perhaps you should take your own advise considering no country outside of the Arab world recognizes the Gaza strip as a sovereign nation. Many of the countries in the middle east including Saudi Arabia, and Egypt don't even recognize the current government that is in power.

Egypt annexed "The Gaza Strip" (I believe in the 40's, though it may have been the 50's) and then refused to grant the people who lived there Egyptian citizenship. Hence the position that they are in now.





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    #9553200 - 01/05/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Why can't people understand what's done is done? Britan gave the land to Israel (it was Britan's land, not Palestinians) and Israel has tried to make do with what they have and has for the most part been very successful (albeit not without help). I cannot understand how anyone would like Palestine to take over this land, the muslims in power are delusional beyond what many, even christians, in the west would consider insane... I mean that whole 72 virgins thing? Completely batshit.

Palestine must realize they have been outdone, unfair? So what? Life's unfair isn't it. If they were to take control you could see a modern high standard society crash to the ground in months.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9553206 - 01/05/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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I heard on the news today that Israel is using incendiary bombs. And why ban journalists if you have nothing to hide?




that's a very good question, why are there israeli checkpoints in
gaza if israel pulled out of gaza a couple years ago




Good point, I guess we should ask the US government the same thing. Why are there checkpoints at the Mexican and Canadian border?




we dont have checkpoints at the nicaragua/honduras border, seems
those checkpoint if israels also lead to egypt from gaza




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9553207 - 01/05/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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is fighting for you life not fighting for the freedom to live?




No it is not.  Fighting for your life is only that, fighting for your life.  Every species on teh planet does that.  Using your definition, every member of every conflict of any species is a freedom fighter.

Your just throwing in the term 'freedom' to tug at americans love of freedom as a form of persuasion.  It has no practical connection to anything that they are fighting for.





so you're saying the palestinians are in fact free people?




They were free enough to be able to launch thousands of missiles into Israel over the past few years. :lol:


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    #9553225 - 01/05/09 07:11 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Intifada toll Sept 2000 - Sept 2005

PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS

3,218 killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 657 aged under 18, 187 killed in extrajudicial executions and 296 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of assassination operations.

56 killed by security forces in Israel
including one aged under 18

41 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza
including at least three aged under 18

ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

444 civilians killed in Israel
including 80 aged under 18

223 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
including 37 aged under 18

221 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza

84 Israeli security forces killed in Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4294502.stm

Israel killed approximately 4 and a half times more Palestine's in those five years. To me this does not indicate equal culpability.

edit: closer to 3 and a half times




I'm not keeping "score" via bodycount. Both sides are perpetuating the violence. Both sides need to stop the violence. The only other possible ending to this is for one or both peoples to be eliminated completely. Which would you say is the more ideal option there?




I'm just trying to show that the damage committed by both sides is not equal. Its scary that you mention that one or both sides will need to be eliminated, because in my heart of hearts thats what i believe Israel is doing.

The Palestinians live on that land and have the right to defend it. Although i do accept that the tactics that some of them have used are evil. In the end i can sympathize with Palestine much more easily than i sympathize with Israel and i believe that the war they are fighting is just.


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    #9553239 - 01/05/09 07:13 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

as sad as it is, all of these religious wackjobs will all kill each other eventually. once birth control becomes more accepted in that area, all the stupid will stop procreating. buy condom company stock if you want to take advantage.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: proud_republican]
    #9553244 - 01/05/09 07:14 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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as sad as it is, all of these religious wackjobs will all kill each other eventually. once birth control becomes more accepted in that area, all the stupid will stop procreating. buy condom company stock if you want to take advantage.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9553251 - 01/05/09 07:15 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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So what if they did? Am i saying that a jewish state is bad? No im not.

What was left as Palestine is a sovereign country. israel has no fucking right invading it, so learn some facts or shut up.






Perhaps you should take your own advise considering no country outside of the Arab world recognizes the Gaza strip as a sovereign nation. Many of the countries in the middle east including Saudi Arabia, and Egypt don't even recognize the current government that is in power.

Egypt annexed "The Gaza Strip" (I believe in the 40's, though it may have been the 50's) and then refused to grant the people who lived there Egyptian citizenship. Hence the position that they are in now.





well, so the israelis stole the land from palestine




Not at all.

The land was set aside by the league of nations (not the UK) for the creation of a Jewish homeland. Due to years and years of fighting, the British government which was in charge of setting up the state eventually got sick of dealing with it, so the united nations set aside the Gaza strip as an area for the creation of a Palestinian state. However as soon as they declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
    #9553265 - 01/05/09 07:17 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Why can't people understand what's done is done? Britan gave the land to Israel (it was Britan's land, not Palestinians) and Israel has tried to make do with what they have and has for the most part been very successful (albeit not without help). I cannot understand how anyone would like Palestine to take over this land, the muslims in power are delusional beyond what many, even christians, in the west would consider insane... I mean that whole 72 virgins thing? Completely batshit.

Palestine must realize they have been outdone, unfair? So what? Life's unfair isn't it. If they were to take control you could see a modern high standard society crash to the ground in months.





then what was the UN palestine partition all about?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9553272 - 01/05/09 07:18 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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The land was set aside by the league of nations (not the UK) for the creation of a Jewish homeland. Due to years and years of fighting, the British government which was in charge of setting up the state eventually got sick of dealing with it, so the united nations set aside the Gaza strip as an area for the creation of a Palestinian state. However as soon as they declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.





slightly one sided isnt it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9553323 - 01/05/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

I'm well familiar with the history of the area. Both because I am a Jew, and because I have an interest in Arab culture and history. Its an absolutely fascinating place to study.

The Partition Plan is what I just referenced in the post you were replying to. As I said, as soon as the Palestinians declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.

The entire situation truly is tragic, and I wish I new of a solution, but I don't.

On one hand the Palestinian people have a right to govern themselves, and to trade peaceably with the rest of the world, however Israel and Egypt also have a right to secure their borders, and to defend themselves when attacked.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9553344 - 01/05/09 07:29 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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I'm well familiar with the history of the area. Both because I am a Jew, and because I have an interest in Arab culture and history. Its an absolutely fascinating place to study.

The Partition Plan is what I just referenced in the post you were replying to. As I said, as soon as the Palestinians declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.

The entire situation truly is tragic, and I wish I new of a solution, but I don't.

On one hand the Palestinian people have a right to govern themselves, and to trade peaceably with the rest of the world, however Israel and Egypt also have a right to secure their borders, and to defend themselves when attacked.




The solution is gradual as I see it: both sides stop fighting, and relations eventually improve, which causes Israel to ease up on Palestine, and Palestine to be more acceptable of Israel... eventually when the two come to terms, they could be made into one state or simply just live in the separated regions they enjoy right now.
But if Palestine wants to keep trying and fight a losing war rather than accept it and try and improve their condition in a practical manner this will never happen :laugh:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9553347 - 01/05/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

What i don't understand is what gives Israel the right to encroach onto their lands. They seem to be doing it constantly. It seems to me that if you do this and people start fighting back you shouldn't be surprised.


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    #9553381 - 01/05/09 07:34 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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What i don't understand is what gives Israel the right to encroach onto their lands. They seem to be doing it constantly. It seems to me that if you do this and people start fighting back you shouldn't be surprised.



What gives them the right to shoot rockets at the Israeli's when they aren't on their land? It goes both ways, and when Israel has stopped Hamas has not.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
    #9553407 - 01/05/09 07:38 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

You have the right to retaliate when someone invades your land. Hatred runs deep, i don't think they will ever stop, a lot of their children and loved ones have been killed.


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    #9553414 - 01/05/09 07:39 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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I'm well familiar with the history of the area. Both because I am a Jew, and because I have an interest in Arab culture and history. Its an absolutely fascinating place to study.

The Partition Plan is what I just referenced in the post you were replying to. As I said, as soon as the Palestinians declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.

The entire situation truly is tragic, and I wish I new of a solution, but I don't.

On one hand the Palestinian people have a right to govern themselves, and to trade peaceably with the rest of the world, however Israel and Egypt also have a right to secure their borders, and to defend themselves when attacked.




The solution is gradual as I see it: both sides stop fighting, and relations eventually improve, which causes Israel to ease up on Palestine, and Palestine to be more acceptable of Israel... eventually when the two come to terms, they could be made into one state or simply just live in the separated regions they enjoy right now.
But if Palestine wants to keep trying and fight a losing war rather than accept it and try and improve their condition in a practical manner this will never happen :laugh:




Check into the history (even recent history), both Egypt, and Israel have tried countless times to ease the restrictions on the Palestinian border, and every single time they immediately begin smuggling weapons and explosives across the border, sending suicide bombers into Israel, kidnapping people, and overall just being dicks to everyone around them.

Even other Arab countries recognize hamas as a terrorist organization, and an illegitimate government. Even Abbas, which is recognized as the only legitimate government (and located on the west bank) has fought against hamas. These guys are fucking cunts, they do not want freedom, and they do not want peace. They want a totalitarian Islamic government, and the destruction of israel.

The truly fucked up part is that the people of Gaza actually elected these guys. The people overall just want to live peaceably, but they never will as long as there are extremists in power.


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I'm well familiar with the history of the area. Both because I am a Jew, and because I have an interest in Arab culture and history. Its an absolutely fascinating place to study.

The Partition Plan is what I just referenced in the post you were replying to. As I said, as soon as the Palestinians declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.

The entire situation truly is tragic, and I wish I new of a solution, but I don't.

On one hand the Palestinian people have a right to govern themselves, and to trade peaceably with the rest of the world, however Israel and Egypt also have a right to secure their borders, and to defend themselves when attacked.




The solution is gradual as I see it: both sides stop fighting, and relations eventually improve, which causes Israel to ease up on Palestine, and Palestine to be more acceptable of Israel... eventually when the two come to terms, they could be made into one state or simply just live in the separated regions they enjoy right now.
But if Palestine wants to keep trying and fight a losing war rather than accept it and try and improve their condition in a practical manner this will never happen :laugh:




Check into the history (even recent history), both Egypt, and Israel have tried countless times to ease the restrictions on the Palestinian border, and every single time they immediately begin smuggling weapons and explosives across the border, sending suicide bombers into Israel, kidnapping people, and overall just being dicks to everyone around them.

Even other Arab countries recognize hamas as a terrorist organization, and an illegitimate government. Even Abbas, which is recognized as the only legitimate government (and located on the west bank) has fought against hamas. These guys are fucking cunts, they do not want freedom, and they do not want peace. They want a totalitarian Islamic government, and the destruction of israel.

The truly fucked up part is that the people of Gaza actually elected these guys. The people overall just want to live peaceably, but they never will as long as there are extremists in power.




Yeah, it will take time and the longer it goes on, the more Israel has a precedent to stage a real invasion and forcibly replace the government if it must come to that.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
    #9553513 - 01/05/09 07:50 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Thats basically what there doing now, They've realized that Hamas cannot be reasoned with, and they're going in to wreck their fucking day.

I truly hope that the Abbas government can gain control, because if they do, there is a real chance for peace. They've already received backing from many other Arab nations to take over control of the Gaza boarder into Egypt.


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    #9553542 - 01/05/09 07:53 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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How about this, i was just doing some research on hagigat and found this quote which i think speaks volumes.

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When drawn on the subject, most Tel Aviv residents favour compromise to achieve peace with the Palestinians. But on the whole they try to block out the military regime and the oppression of Palestinians.
"I can appreciate it isn't much fun living in a refugee camp, or in the West Bank," Mr Bar Yitzhak said. "But I think it is hard for people elsewhere to imagine what it is like for someone to come to your favourite bar or cafe and blow themselves up.




http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12424

It seems the israeli people dont think the occupation is a good thing either. Just like i said before. I win, again.

:smug:




Israel no longer occupies Gaza, and they've even stated that they have no desire to do so now, they are after hamas, and nothing more.

I'm not sure what you think you've won, some of us are trying to have an intelligent discussion.


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Thats basically what there doing now, They've realized that Hamas cannot be reasoned with, and they're going in to wreck their fucking day.

I truly hope that the Abbas government can gain control, because if they do, there is a real chance for peace. They've already received backing from many other Arab nations to take over control of the Gaza boarder into Egypt.



Too bad the Arab's cannot realize this as an outcome and are combining their collective resources to try and vilify Israel via Al Jizzera


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The land was set aside by the league of nations (not the UK) for the creation of a Jewish homeland. Due to years and years of fighting, the British government which was in charge of setting up the state eventually got sick of dealing with it, so the united nations set aside the Gaza strip as an area for the creation of a Palestinian state. However as soon as they declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.





slightly one sided isnt it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan




Whether or not the partition plan was one-sided is debatable. Both groups of people were given a chunk of land to call their own. It was a hell of a lot more land than they have now after spitting at the two state partition plan and attempting (and failing miserably) to create "The United State of Palestine". The Israelis fought for their land and won, period. They then built a democratic oasis in that war-torn shit hole dubbed the middle east. The Palestinians need to get over it and move on with their lives. Stop fighting with Israel and learn from them.


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    #9553564 - 01/05/09 07:55 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

I'm not sure where you get "again" because you haven't won in the first place.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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I'm well familiar with the history of the area. Both because I am a Jew, and because I have an interest in Arab culture and history. Its an absolutely fascinating place to study.




my father was a jew, simply being a jew doesnt make you knowledgeable in the affairs, it takes a bit of reading, under the british mandate the jewish state looked like this



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The Partition Plan is what I just referenced in the post you were replying to. As I said, as soon as the Palestinians declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.




under the partition plan jews got more and what gave the jews the rght to declare sovereignty and not the palestinians? whaa't any of it got to do with israel stealing the land

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On one hand the Palestinian people have a right to govern themselves, and to trade peaceably with the rest of the world, however Israel and Egypt also have a right to secure their borders, and to defend themselves when attacked.




does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
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The land was set aside by the league of nations (not the UK) for the creation of a Jewish homeland. Due to years and years of fighting, the British government which was in charge of setting up the state eventually got sick of dealing with it, so the united nations set aside the Gaza strip as an area for the creation of a Palestinian state. However as soon as they declared themselves a sovereign nation, Egypt invaded and took over.





slightly one sided isnt it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan




Whether or not the partition plan was one-sided is debatable. Both groups of people were given a chunk of land to call their own. It was a hell of a lot more land than they have now after spitting at the two state partition plan and attempting (and failing miserably) to create "The United State of Palestine". The Israelis fought for their land and won, period. They then built a democratic Oasis in that war-torn shit hole dubbed the middle east. The Palestinians need to get over it and move on with their lives. Stop fighting with Israel and learn from them.





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does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
it wasnt for israel




Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.

My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.

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does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
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it wasnt for israel




Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.

My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.

Any thoughts on a solution to the current situation that is viable both short, and long term?




- Disarm both sides with a UN mandate and send in a huge peace keeping force comprised of Jamaican soldiers and hand out tonnes of weed. Then arbitraily convert everyone to Tarvuism and make the official language of the area Finnish. Then everyone will be truly equal, looking at Jewish and Palestian people on the news, they look very similar to me, except for things like Yamicas and Kefias (sp?). So force the petty differences out of them then make them intermarry.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
    #9553818 - 01/05/09 08:29 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Blink Dog said:
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blewmeanie said:
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does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
it wasnt for israel




Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.

My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.

Any thoughts on a solution to the current situation that is viable both short, and long term?




- Disarm both sides with a UN mandate and send in a huge peace keeping force comprised of Jamaican soldiers and hand out tonnes of weed. Then arbitraily convert everyone to Tarvuism and make the official language of the area Finnish. Then everyone will be truly equal, looking at Jewish and Palestian people on the news, they look very similar to me, except for things like Yamicas and Kefias (sp?). So force the petty differences out of them then make them intermarry.




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9553834 - 01/05/09 08:31 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

I don't think there is a short term solution. The Palestinian hatred for Israel will last generations. Long term I think Israel has much more power to change the situation, because they are a lot more wealthy and a lot more powerful militarily. Its up to them to convince the people that they are a beneficial force in the region.

I think this should be done first with a formal apology, right or wrong does not come into this, its about acknowledging that a lot of pain has been caused and being the bigger man so to speak.

Also Israel must stop encroaching onto Palestinian land, further more they must give back a lot of the land they have taken. This should be accompanied by a large humanitarian aid effort to help the Palestinians rebuild. There will be parts within the Palestinian population who will continue to attack Israel, but the more Israel continues with these humanitarian actions the more of a minority these people will become.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9553929 - 01/05/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
it wasnt for israel




Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.




but palestinians are not allowed that priveledge nor are they
allowed the luxuries of food or water or medical treatment?

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My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.




for someone so well informed you seems to be dropping a lot of
bad information, the wiki links are to show you that you're off
base with much of it

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Any thoughts on a solution to the current situation that is viable both short, and long term?




termination with extreme prejudice, if 2 children are fighting
and you tell them repeatedly to stop yet they continue, what's
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: DimensionX]
    #9553944 - 01/05/09 08:44 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Also Israel must stop encroaching onto Palestinian land, further more they must give back a lot of the land they have taken. This should be accompanied by a large humanitarian aid effort to help the Palestinians rebuild. There will be parts within the Palestinian population who will continue to attack Israel, but the more Israel continues with these humanitarian actions the more of a minority these people will become.





pulling the 30+ israeli settlements out of the west bank is a
good start, 20 are sanctioned but the israelis, another 10 or
more are illegal, all were noting more than squatters trying to
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9554735 - 01/05/09 10:46 PM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Better yet instead of Tarvuism we start a new religion. But for ease of conversion we should use some of the older deities. I'm just going to pick El, Ra and Isis. This way we have a trinity which makes things nice. Now since two of the deities have only two letters we will use only the first two of Isis and combine these to make the country name:

EL-IS-RA, Elisra, doesn't jive,

RA-EL-IS, Raelis, thats too close to Raelianism, we might get a lawsuit!

IS-RA-EL, Israel, dang we already got that.

Yes I have been spending this evening watching Jordan Maxwell. I think in the grand scheme of things there is no solution. It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. Then they have something in common. Well that and their hatred of pork.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
    #9555165 - 01/06/09 12:15 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

Abolish Religion in both countries,
wait 200 years
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    #9555199 - 01/06/09 12:21 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. 





would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
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It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. 





would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
started sleeping on your couch and smacked you around every time
you started to speak?




That's how one side sees it, but there is another side you know, and neither is 100% innocent. Really both were present before the creation of Israel - I see it almost as background tensions come to the forefront. If the US was bordered by Saudi Arabia and Iran I'm sure we'd all find some sort of reason to kill eachother.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9556109 - 01/06/09 05:35 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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Blink Dog said:
It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. 





would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
started sleeping on your couch and smacked you around every time
you started to speak?




If they were willing to stop doing that then yes I would.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
    #9556259 - 01/06/09 06:32 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

even though they still live on your couch and refuse to leave,
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
    #9556263 - 01/06/09 06:34 AM (15 years, 26 days ago)

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would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
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That's how one side sees it, but there is another side you know, and neither is 100% innocent.




yes, the other side sees it as they were entitled to the couch
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9556707 - 01/06/09 09:25 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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even though they still live on your couch and refuse to leave,
and then invite a few move friends of theirs to do the same?




Well if they were going to stop doing that then they wouldn't do that.


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    #9562545 - 01/07/09 04:36 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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twighead said:
Abolish Religion in both countries,
wait 200 years
problem sovled




Israel is NOT motivated by religious interest on this conflict and indeed in ANY of its conflicts in the area! we're just trying to survive in a place surrounded by enemies.



it's been on my mind in the past few months the feeling like i'm growing closer to some internal religion, something new and individual... i always looked at my self as strictly atheist and i think i still am but slowly i'm starting to change my point of view on what exactly religion is which makes me reconsider my stance in general.
i had a very strong trip on cannabis a few days ago where i had to deal with these feelings (i'm completely paranoid when it comes to religions) i was thinking that it may actually be a new sort of religion that we should all practice in order to bring us closer and achieve peace in the world.

it's hard to explain but it's not a standard religion i was thinking about, more like a paradigm shift...

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Ill tell you whats dimmy
this whole damn thread



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Ill tell you whats dimmy
this whole damn thread



bad points all around

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
    #9562634 - 01/07/09 05:31 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

> Israel is NOT motivated by religious interest on this conflict and indeed in ANY of its conflicts in the area! we're just trying to survive in a place surrounded by enemies.

Israel might not be motivated by religious interest, but Israel's "enemies" use religion as an excuse/motivation for their actions against Israel.

> pulling the 30+ israeli settlements out of the west bank is a good start

Although I agree with you, Israel pulled everybody out of Gaza and returned it to the Palestinians... look how that turned out... not very peaceful.

My solution to the problem is simple... put ten Israeli kids and ten Palestinian kids in a room and don't let them out until they come up with a peace agreement with the understanding that both sides will have to honor whatever the kids come up with.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
    #9562668 - 01/07/09 05:49 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

I'm largely ignorant of the conflict but I guess I'd side with the Arabs, I mean the Jewish people just immigrated in droves for purely religious reasons, refused to cooperate peacefully with Palestinians and eventually set up a state against the will of all the surrounding nations.

Having said that, from a Western perspective, I really don't care much for the Muslim faith, and I am grateful for any action that will prevent Islam's undisputed goal of world domination, and for Israel's surprise air strike on Saddam's nuclear facilities.

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    #9562680 - 01/07/09 06:00 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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I'm largely ignorant of the conflict but I guess I'd side with the Arabs, I mean the Jewish people just immigrated in droves for purely religious reasons, refused to cooperate peacefully with Palestinians and eventually set up a state against the will of all the surrounding nations.




:rofl:

You should have stopped with the "I'm largely ignorant of the conflict"...

Take a look at http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm for a decent account of how things came about...


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Fuck knows.  Just voicing an uninformed opinion.





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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
    #9562721 - 01/07/09 06:23 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Here is a link to another page from that website which seems to be a bit more condensed version of the conflict.

http://www.mideastweb.org/nutshell.htm

It doesn't seem to suggest that it is to much different to what Sam420 has suggested. Heres what is says in part:

"Divisive History

History's legacy created divisive issues between Palestinians and Israelis. Judea, home of the Jews in ancient times, was conquered by the Romans and renamed Palestine. Palestine was later conquered  and inhabited by Arabs for over a thousand years. The Zionist movement arose to restore the Jews to Israel, largely ignoring the existing Arab population. Following the Balfour Declaration in 1917, Palestine was granted to Britain as a League of Nations mandate to build a national home for the Jewish people. The Arabs resented the Jews coming in to take their land. Led by Grand Mufti Hajj Amin El Husseini, they rioted repeatedly and later revolted, creating a history of enmity between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. Britain stopped Jewish immigration to Palestine. Following the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis, pressure on Britain increased to allow  Jewish immigration  to Palestine.  In 1947, the UN partitioned the land into Arab and Jewish states. The Arabs did not accept the partition and war broke out. The Jews won a decisive victory, expanded their state and created several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees. The Arab states refused to recognize Israel or make peace with it. Wars broke out in 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982, and there were many terror raids and Israeli reprisals. Each side believes different versions of the same history. Each side views the conflict as wholly the fault of the other and expects an apology."

Although maybe it was not purely for religious reasons it does seem to be a land grab which basically ignored the fact that people were already living there.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: DimensionX]
    #9562769 - 01/07/09 06:46 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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In 1947, the UN partitioned the land into Arab and Jewish states. The Arabs did not accept the partition and war broke out. The Jews won a decisive victory, expanded their state




land grab for sure, but you also have to allocate some blame on the UN for partitioning land after WW2 when they had no right to create a state

look at how Australians or US citizens would defend their land/country that they have only occupied for a few hundred years & then look at the Arabs who conquered  and inhabited the land for over a thousand years.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
    #9562774 - 01/07/09 06:49 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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> Israel is NOT motivated by religious interest on this conflict and indeed in ANY of its conflicts in the area! we're just trying to survive in a place surrounded by enemies.

Israel might not be motivated by religious interest, but Israel's "enemies" use religion as an excuse/motivation for their actions against Israel.





cant make that claim when the whole foundation for
reestablishing themselves in the area was based on it being the
land they were given by god, also considering that most israelis
are from europe, it just makes it look like the jewish invading
force

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> pulling the 30+ israeli settlements out of the west bank is a good start

Although I agree with you, Israel pulled everybody out of Gaza and returned it to the Palestinians... look how that turned out... not very peaceful.





they pulled everyone but the IDF and as was mentioned twice,
they've made the claims that they pulled out, took them up until
the cease fire to finalize that removal

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My solution to the problem is simple... put ten Israeli kids and ten Palestinian kids in a room and don't let them out until they come up with a peace agreement with the understanding that both sides will have to honor whatever the kids come up with.




I have a better idea, put 10,000 naked israelis and 10,000 naked
palestinians in a huge pit with nothing but their hands and
teeth, whom ever survives doesnt get burried, start again in
another week with 20,000 more. the arena worked for keeping rome
entertained, I figure if you reduce the populations of both
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    #9562780 - 01/07/09 06:53 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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Having said that, from a Western perspective, I really don't care much for the Muslim faith, and I am grateful for any action that will prevent Islam's undisputed goal of world domination, and for Israel's surprise air strike on Saddam's nuclear facilities.





I know many muslims, they're no different than we are in all
honesty, in their religious view it's a sin to give money to the
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it's been on my mind in the past few months the feeling like i'm growing closer to some internal religion, something new and individual...




WTG!

Its always been strictly between Deity and yourself, in the most personal way imaginable.

Your relationship with the Cosmos is too important, too sacred, to let other people come and mess it up.

Theres some divine inspiration, then people come who want Power, want to make an easy buck, and they mess it all up.

Organized religion, organized crime... It doesnt get better just because other people are involved, in fact the opposite is true. The last thing you want your beliefs to be is impersonal, depersonalized.

Screw temples, churches, mosques - go your own way. This is strictly between you and the Most High.

Not In My Name - take yer organized religions and shove em.

Do you think Deity cares which club you adhere to?



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    #9562843 - 01/07/09 07:21 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

In their religion, it's also right to cut someone's hands off for stealing.


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    #9562850 - 01/07/09 07:23 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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In their religion, it's also right to cut someone's hands off for stealing.





there is rarely a 3rd offense... you may be unaware of it but that
was the same method that the natives of this country used. if it
works, it works, it also makes it a little easier to pick out a thief

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    #9562858 - 01/07/09 07:28 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

It may have used to be the method used here centuries ago with natives, but I'm not talking about that. This punishment has been used even after Christians have founded the U.S.

Their book explicitly states that those caught stealing should have their hands removed.


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    #9562888 - 01/07/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9562914 - 01/07/09 07:50 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

And you were trying to make Islam sound more compassionate than Christianity above. There's no reason difference. They're both brutal, violent religions.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9562945 - 01/07/09 08:03 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

no I wasnt, what was christianitys code fo punishment for being an unruly child? stoning to death

I mean come one red... let's look at the same religion with 2
different names, what's the difference? some human rights people
stepped in and said it's bad to punish people and make it count


"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
Psalm 137:9

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:9

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
Hosea 13:16


some might see it as christians and jews have turned their backs
on their god, but lets see what the effect of this sharia law is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2587039.stm


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9563323 - 01/07/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Hasidic Jews are sixth century Pagans gone Jewish so they could trade with Jews because Jews would only trade with other Jews.

So when we put HASIDIC JEWS (WHITE EUROPEANS) in a place where they really didn't belong what the fuck did you think was going to happen?

And the airstrikes on civillian structures? Thats an act of terrorism.

Retaliation is a step down. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL".

I think it pretty blatant how God would want his followers to act, turn the other cheek. And if they don't then they're not following God's will and in my opinion, get lumped into the same group as every other terrorist organization out there.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Cerveau]
    #9563341 - 01/07/09 09:43 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

So what? In the sixth century, there was no such thing as a "Muslim". What happened regarding conversion 1600 years ago is irrelevant to the faith of people today.

Also, I would like to see a source showing that "Hasidic Jews are sixth century Pagans gone Jewish so they could trade with Jews because Jews would only trade with other Jews.".


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9563484 - 01/07/09 10:14 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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So what?




So we threw a bunch of white europeans in an area dominated by people of Arabic descent. And no one thought this would result in a conflict.

I think its as easy as using common sense. Jesus wasn't a white brown haired person like he's depicted. He was dark skinned and looked Arabic. This thread is a joke.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9563653 - 01/07/09 10:44 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Having said that, from a Western perspective, I really don't care much for the Muslim faith, and I am grateful for any action that will prevent Islam's undisputed goal of world domination, and for Israel's surprise air strike on Saddam's nuclear facilities.





I know many muslims, they're no different than we are in all
honesty, in their religious view it's a sin to give money to the
church when your neighbor has no food, do christians care that much?




Since when did I hold aloft the values of Christianity


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Cerveau]
    #9563891 - 01/07/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Retaliation is a step down. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL".

I think it pretty blatant how God would want his followers to act, turn the other cheek.




I dont think you know whoe god or jesus really were, it's kind
of a funny story but when jesus went to church that's when he
was the most violent, that sucker had his gang of horse thieves
steal a donkey for him so he could ride in style into jeruselem
on palm sunday

Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"


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And if they don't then they're not following God's will




throughout the history of the jews gods will for them was to
exterminate all that opposed them


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9563940 - 01/07/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Also, I would like to see a source showing that "Hasidic Jews are sixth century Pagans gone Jewish so they could trade with Jews because Jews would only trade with other Jews.".




how about one that shows they were the spawn of the devil and he
unleashed them on the humanity in the 18th century and they were
more like the various off shoots of christianity like the faith
healers and snake handlers... hell every one knows that jews
were the only source of trade throughout history, they just had
to cover their horns and tail


some of what I said is true


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9563976 - 01/07/09 11:39 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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some of what I said is true


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9565168 - 01/07/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

See? Isn't it easy to make disparaging things up?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9565208 - 01/07/09 03:19 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Nah, its easier to let you think you're right and stop wasting my time on threads where people are so set in their ways its pointless to even try.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9565227 - 01/07/09 03:21 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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See? Isn't it easy to make disparaging things up?




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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Cerveau]
    #9565248 - 01/07/09 03:24 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

So, you won't admit it was easy to make things up about Hassidic Jews? You sure seemed to do it with no problems.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9565275 - 01/07/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

they have horns, that's why they always have the hats on


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9565289 - 01/07/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Tis true


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
    #20827893 - 11/12/14 04:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20827953 - 11/12/14 05:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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no I wasnt, what was christianitys code fo punishment for being an unruly child? stoning to death

I mean come one red... let's look at the same religion with 2
different names, what's the difference? some human rights people
stepped in and said it's bad to punish people and make it count


"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
Psalm 137:9

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:9

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
Hosea 13:16


some might see it as christians and jews have turned their backs
on their god, but lets see what the effect of this sharia law is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2587039.stm



KJV Testament isn't an accurate translation of anything.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #20828686 - 11/12/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Hell of a thread resurrection. 5 years and 10 months old since the last post...


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