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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
    #9562684 - 01/07/09 06:03 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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Fuck knows.  Just voicing an uninformed opinion.





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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
    #9562721 - 01/07/09 06:23 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Here is a link to another page from that website which seems to be a bit more condensed version of the conflict.

http://www.mideastweb.org/nutshell.htm

It doesn't seem to suggest that it is to much different to what Sam420 has suggested. Heres what is says in part:

"Divisive History

History's legacy created divisive issues between Palestinians and Israelis. Judea, home of the Jews in ancient times, was conquered by the Romans and renamed Palestine. Palestine was later conquered  and inhabited by Arabs for over a thousand years. The Zionist movement arose to restore the Jews to Israel, largely ignoring the existing Arab population. Following the Balfour Declaration in 1917, Palestine was granted to Britain as a League of Nations mandate to build a national home for the Jewish people. The Arabs resented the Jews coming in to take their land. Led by Grand Mufti Hajj Amin El Husseini, they rioted repeatedly and later revolted, creating a history of enmity between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. Britain stopped Jewish immigration to Palestine. Following the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis, pressure on Britain increased to allow  Jewish immigration  to Palestine.  In 1947, the UN partitioned the land into Arab and Jewish states. The Arabs did not accept the partition and war broke out. The Jews won a decisive victory, expanded their state and created several hundred thousand Palestinian refugees. The Arab states refused to recognize Israel or make peace with it. Wars broke out in 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982, and there were many terror raids and Israeli reprisals. Each side believes different versions of the same history. Each side views the conflict as wholly the fault of the other and expects an apology."

Although maybe it was not purely for religious reasons it does seem to be a land grab which basically ignored the fact that people were already living there.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: DimensionX]
    #9562769 - 01/07/09 06:46 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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In 1947, the UN partitioned the land into Arab and Jewish states. The Arabs did not accept the partition and war broke out. The Jews won a decisive victory, expanded their state




land grab for sure, but you also have to allocate some blame on the UN for partitioning land after WW2 when they had no right to create a state

look at how Australians or US citizens would defend their land/country that they have only occupied for a few hundred years & then look at the Arabs who conquered  and inhabited the land for over a thousand years.


look at it from their point of view if you can !!!


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
    #9562774 - 01/07/09 06:49 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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> Israel is NOT motivated by religious interest on this conflict and indeed in ANY of its conflicts in the area! we're just trying to survive in a place surrounded by enemies.

Israel might not be motivated by religious interest, but Israel's "enemies" use religion as an excuse/motivation for their actions against Israel.





cant make that claim when the whole foundation for
reestablishing themselves in the area was based on it being the
land they were given by god, also considering that most israelis
are from europe, it just makes it look like the jewish invading
force

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> pulling the 30+ israeli settlements out of the west bank is a good start

Although I agree with you, Israel pulled everybody out of Gaza and returned it to the Palestinians... look how that turned out... not very peaceful.





they pulled everyone but the IDF and as was mentioned twice,
they've made the claims that they pulled out, took them up until
the cease fire to finalize that removal

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My solution to the problem is simple... put ten Israeli kids and ten Palestinian kids in a room and don't let them out until they come up with a peace agreement with the understanding that both sides will have to honor whatever the kids come up with.




I have a better idea, put 10,000 naked israelis and 10,000 naked
palestinians in a huge pit with nothing but their hands and
teeth, whom ever survives doesnt get burried, start again in
another week with 20,000 more. the arena worked for keeping rome
entertained, I figure if you reduce the populations of both
sides to a handful you wont have to worry about it so much


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: sam420]
    #9562780 - 01/07/09 06:53 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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Having said that, from a Western perspective, I really don't care much for the Muslim faith, and I am grateful for any action that will prevent Islam's undisputed goal of world domination, and for Israel's surprise air strike on Saddam's nuclear facilities.





I know many muslims, they're no different than we are in all
honesty, in their religious view it's a sin to give money to the
church when your neighbor has no food, do christians care that much?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
    #9562835 - 01/07/09 07:17 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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it's been on my mind in the past few months the feeling like i'm growing closer to some internal religion, something new and individual...




WTG!

Its always been strictly between Deity and yourself, in the most personal way imaginable.

Your relationship with the Cosmos is too important, too sacred, to let other people come and mess it up.

Theres some divine inspiration, then people come who want Power, want to make an easy buck, and they mess it all up.

Organized religion, organized crime... It doesnt get better just because other people are involved, in fact the opposite is true. The last thing you want your beliefs to be is impersonal, depersonalized.

Screw temples, churches, mosques - go your own way. This is strictly between you and the Most High.

Not In My Name - take yer organized religions and shove em.

Do you think Deity cares which club you adhere to?



It cares about YOU, 100% personal.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9562843 - 01/07/09 07:21 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

In their religion, it's also right to cut someone's hands off for stealing.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9562850 - 01/07/09 07:23 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

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In their religion, it's also right to cut someone's hands off for stealing.





there is rarely a 3rd offense... you may be unaware of it but that
was the same method that the natives of this country used. if it
works, it works, it also makes it a little easier to pick out a thief

have you seen the results of the current penal system in the US?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9562858 - 01/07/09 07:28 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

It may have used to be the method used here centuries ago with natives, but I'm not talking about that. This punishment has been used even after Christians have founded the U.S.

Their book explicitly states that those caught stealing should have their hands removed.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9562888 - 01/07/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

and?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9562914 - 01/07/09 07:50 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

And you were trying to make Islam sound more compassionate than Christianity above. There's no reason difference. They're both brutal, violent religions.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9562945 - 01/07/09 08:03 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

no I wasnt, what was christianitys code fo punishment for being an unruly child? stoning to death

I mean come one red... let's look at the same religion with 2
different names, what's the difference? some human rights people
stepped in and said it's bad to punish people and make it count


"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
Psalm 137:9

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:9

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
Hosea 13:16


some might see it as christians and jews have turned their backs
on their god, but lets see what the effect of this sharia law is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2587039.stm


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9563323 - 01/07/09 09:38 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Hasidic Jews are sixth century Pagans gone Jewish so they could trade with Jews because Jews would only trade with other Jews.

So when we put HASIDIC JEWS (WHITE EUROPEANS) in a place where they really didn't belong what the fuck did you think was going to happen?

And the airstrikes on civillian structures? Thats an act of terrorism.

Retaliation is a step down. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL".

I think it pretty blatant how God would want his followers to act, turn the other cheek. And if they don't then they're not following God's will and in my opinion, get lumped into the same group as every other terrorist organization out there.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Cerveau]
    #9563341 - 01/07/09 09:43 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

So what? In the sixth century, there was no such thing as a "Muslim". What happened regarding conversion 1600 years ago is irrelevant to the faith of people today.

Also, I would like to see a source showing that "Hasidic Jews are sixth century Pagans gone Jewish so they could trade with Jews because Jews would only trade with other Jews.".


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9563484 - 01/07/09 10:14 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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So what?




So we threw a bunch of white europeans in an area dominated by people of Arabic descent. And no one thought this would result in a conflict.

I think its as easy as using common sense. Jesus wasn't a white brown haired person like he's depicted. He was dark skinned and looked Arabic. This thread is a joke.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9563653 - 01/07/09 10:44 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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sam420 said:
Having said that, from a Western perspective, I really don't care much for the Muslim faith, and I am grateful for any action that will prevent Islam's undisputed goal of world domination, and for Israel's surprise air strike on Saddam's nuclear facilities.





I know many muslims, they're no different than we are in all
honesty, in their religious view it's a sin to give money to the
church when your neighbor has no food, do christians care that much?




Since when did I hold aloft the values of Christianity


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Cerveau]
    #9563891 - 01/07/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Retaliation is a step down. "THOU SHALT NOT KILL".

I think it pretty blatant how God would want his followers to act, turn the other cheek.




I dont think you know whoe god or jesus really were, it's kind
of a funny story but when jesus went to church that's when he
was the most violent, that sucker had his gang of horse thieves
steal a donkey for him so he could ride in style into jeruselem
on palm sunday

Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"


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And if they don't then they're not following God's will




throughout the history of the jews gods will for them was to
exterminate all that opposed them


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
    #9563940 - 01/07/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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Also, I would like to see a source showing that "Hasidic Jews are sixth century Pagans gone Jewish so they could trade with Jews because Jews would only trade with other Jews.".




how about one that shows they were the spawn of the devil and he
unleashed them on the humanity in the 18th century and they were
more like the various off shoots of christianity like the faith
healers and snake handlers... hell every one knows that jews
were the only source of trade throughout history, they just had
to cover their horns and tail


some of what I said is true


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9563976 - 01/07/09 11:39 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

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some of what I said is true


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9565168 - 01/07/09 03:14 PM (15 years, 24 days ago)

See? Isn't it easy to make disparaging things up?


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