Konnrade said:

It did jack shit except make a lot of smoke.

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Uhm.. it did kill six people and injure a thousand more

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The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

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The Target Committee at Los Alamos on May 10–11, 1945, recommended Kyoto, Hiroshima, Yokohama and the arsenal at Kokura as possible targets. The committee rejected the use of the weapon against a strictly military objective because of the chance of missing a small target not surrounded by a larger urban area. The psychological effects on Japan were of great importance to the committee members.

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Some have claimed that the Japanese were already essentially defeated, and therefore use of the bombs was unnecessary. General Dwight D. Eisenhower so advised the Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, in July of 1945.[28] The highest-ranking officer in the Pacific Theater, General Douglas MacArthur, was not consulted beforehand but said afterward that he felt that there was no military justification for the bombings. The same opinion was expressed by Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy (the Chief of Staff to the President), General Carl Spaatz (commander of the U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific), and Brigadier General Carter Clarke (the military intelligence officer who prepared intercepted Japanese cables for U.S. officials);[28] Major General Curtis LeMay;[29] and Admiral Ernest King, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, Undersecretary of the Navy Ralph A. Bard [30], and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet.[31]

Eisenhower wrote in his memoir The White House Years:

"In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."[32]

The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, after interviewing hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, reported:

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

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Konnrade said:

I suppose it could be considered a war crime to kill so many civilians, but on the islands of japan, there really was no military target for a nuke that wouldn't have involved killing thousands of civilians.

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Konnrade said:

... how was hiroshima terrorism? Japan started the damn war

I suppose it could be considered a war crime to kill so many civilians, but on the islands of japan, there really was no military target for a nuke that wouldn't have involved killing thousands of civilians.

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Pithlit said:

Konnrade said:

... how was hiroshima terrorism? Japan started the damn war

I suppose it could be considered a war crime to kill so many civilians, but on the islands of japan, there really was no military target for a nuke that wouldn't have involved killing thousands of civilians.

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I think you can also say that America started the war with the middle east by invading their countries unlawfully, taking their goods and occupying everything.
Its not luike these guarillas got pissed off because the americans were sitting on their side of the ocean twiddling their thunbs.
If you argue like that then all the bombings haven´t been terroristic acts aswell!

For me Hiroshima and the others that were counted up were definitly terroristic acts by the gouverment because they went against civilins only, no military targets were hit in these operations (or only as a side effect) and the main goal was to scare the people of the bombed country.
The samme tactic these "terrorists" now apply to america aswell.
It is war, fought with uneven appliances but it is definitly a rightfully war and not some nonsense reactionistic actions of so called barbarians!

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Konnrade said:

The Japanese weren't exactly playing by the rules either. They tortured, starved, abused, and murdered countless POW's. Many of them were herded into air raid shelters that they had been forced to build themselves, were doused with fuel, and burned alive.

Not to mention all of the horrible nastiness that Japan inflicted upon conquered people with it's military police state.

Of course, we should never have killed so many civilians, but I'm sure that the commander in chief felt he chose the lesser evil.

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damn j*ps!!! 

They do make some damn good sushi though 




 

TheDude said:

Not pretty either way you look at it.

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Konnrade said:

The Japanese weren't exactly playing by the rules either. They tortured, starved, abused, and murdered countless POW's. Many of them were herded into air raid shelters that they had been forced to build themselves, were doused with fuel, and burned alive.

Not to mention all of the horrible nastiness that Japan inflicted upon conquered people with it's military police state.

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cybrbeast said:

You can disagree with people without resorting to flaming, and you should if you don't want to be banned from the Pub.

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