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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: Konnrade]
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Konnrade said:
You can't face that kind of enemy and not be extremely tempted to just end things with a couple of mushroom clouds. Add that to the knowledge that NOT nuking them would mean months of further war and many, many more americans dying in a battle that was merely an act of defense from an invasion. I can understand the decision to drop the A-bombs.



You can't be sure of that. Have you read the quote? The war might have been on the verge of ending anyway. Like Roker said it was probably more useful as a way of showing and intimidating the world by saying we have nukes!
The Manhattan program was started because there was a risk that Germany might develop these weapons, so they had to have them first. It was never meant to be used unless absolutely necessary.
Why couldn't America just have blocked of Japans sea and airspace? They could have surrounded the country, bombed the industry and waited it out, just like a siege.

Still whatever wrongs may have been done in the war I'm still very thankful to America for saving our asses from nazism, but on the other hand it would have saved a lot of lives if they had intevened earlier.


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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: Papaver]
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So you were for the Spartans? Always pick the winning side, eh? Yay for Archidamus II.

:lol:

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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: cybrbeast]
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No, I was for the Athenians...

Now, I may have forgotten some of the details, as it's been a long time (almost 2500 years), but it seems to me that Alcibiades was responsible for getting the Athenians back in the war for the wrong reasons, and then, because of politics, was exiled and then defected from Athens and went and helped Sparta defeat Athens!

The whole thing just seemed rotten. I wish I could say it was all shot on a 1/72 scale model in my basement... :wink:


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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: Papaver]
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The Athenians deserved to be beaten by the superiour Spartans.
Several states including Athens formed a league against the Persians. Then Athens started to dominate the league and it became an athenian empire. Athens started to use all the league funds which they controlled on an island for themselves.
Then the Athenians started bugging the Spartans and sanctioned Megara. So the Spartans rose up and kicked their asses.

btw.
Have you read Mary Renaults books, 'The King Must Die' and 'The Bull From the Sea'? Really great books about the mythological hero Theseus. She kind of removes all the mythology from the story and makes it more realistic.


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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: cybrbeast]
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favor of all that the Athenians did, but as an artist who relies on the luxury of an affluent democracy for my monetary survival, I have to side with them... :wink:

I haven't read those. I'll have to check them out... :smile:


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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: Papaver]
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An affluent theocracy might have been just as well for your monetary state, maybe even better. Quite a way to go off-topic  :grin:


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Re: Was this Biggie vid before the trade tower disaster? [Re: cybrbeast]
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my apologies to Thedude and Konrad.

But like I said in my post - read the previous posts there are relevant facts there that address the issues.

What you get taught about politics in school or on TV is seldom the truth. The truth is out there but you won't see it on FOX or CNN


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