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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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2012 = not
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IMO there is no way that this global consciousness shift can happen. Veritas and I were discussing world conditions and basic human awareness. According to Maslow's hierarchy of needs, if the lower survival needs are not met it would be practically impossible for the individual to become aware of or value the development of higher/spiritual needs.

Much of the world is in dire straits to meet these lower needs. If you take an honest look at world conditions (and that includes this country) there are very few humans who are coming close to having their basic survival needs met.

This idea of a global consciousness shift beginning around 2012 is a totally elitist idea and has no substance as far as I can see.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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It doesn't matter to me... I died from the giant tsunami that happen last week when a comet fragment stuck the atlantic ocean.  If you don't believe me, just ask the aliens that telepathically warned everybody to flee the coast.  It happened, really.  You can read all about it at www.savelivesinmay.com  :rolleyes:


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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Maybe it just marks the begining of the end of "this world order"

Maybe nothing will happen.

Maybe America pisses the whole world off and we nuke the planet into dust????


MaybeMaybeMaybe

My mom used to say "You can what if something to death"

Trying to predict the future is a waste of time.

I would bet that 2012 will come and go much like 2000 did


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
It doesn't matter to me... I died from the giant tsunami that happen last week when a comet fragment stuck the atlantic ocean.  [/url]  :rolleyes:


Lol. Me to, so how are we talking, thats weird. The afterworld is exactly the same.

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Seuss]
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Not living near the coast I handn't noticed that you had died. I am sorry to hear of your passing. :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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A lot can happen in 6 years.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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:thumbup:

It's hard to concentrate on spiritual elevation when all of your effort is spent attempting to procure food and clean water.

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Redstorm]
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Actually, the poor tend to be much more spiritually oriented than the rich. It's those who have too much that are going to have a more difficult transition.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
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:thumbup:


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
A lot can happen in 6 years.


As far as human evolution goes either physical or emotional/spiritual that has never been true. What do you base your statement on besides wishful thinking?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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are you in te same room as veritas but on differnt computers?


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Silversoul said:
A lot can happen in 6 years.


As far as human evolution goes either physical or emotional/spiritual that has never been true. What do you base your statement on besides wishful thinking?


The fact that poverty is not inevitable, and can be fixed(yes, even in 6 years, if we act now). The "shift in consciousness" may not happen overnight in 2012, but the stage may be set for that shift by that time.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Actually, the poor tend to be much more spiritually oriented than the rich. It's those who have too much that are going to have a more difficult transition.


I would dispute this. Most really poor are malnourished or diseased and do not have the mental capacity (you need nutrients to fuel brain function) to work on their spirituality. Much of the worlds poor are in a state of malnutrition. Survival until tomorrow is their path.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Icelander said:
Silversoul said:
A lot can happen in 6 years.


As far as human evolution goes either physical or emotional/spiritual that has never been true. What do you base your statement on besides wishful thinking?


The fact that poverty is not inevitable, and can be fixed(yes, even in 6 years, if we act now).  The "shift in consciousness" may not happen overnight in 2012, but the stage may be set for that shift by that time.


Poverty vanquished in six years. :biggrin: Again what do you base this unreal speculation on?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Poverty vanquished in six years. :biggrin: Again what do you base this unreal speculation on?


My own diligent research.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: niteowl]
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2012 is predicted to be the end of old and beginning of new. It will not be a big boom, pow, shockwave that wakes everyone into enlightement or something. The changes have begun already, things will get really crazy starting next year 2007, mark my words. It will be like all things, gradual escalation and de-escalation. 2012 is just a marker.

But it's undeniable that humanity is somewhere it's never been. Technology and population have hit unprecedented levels and that's not going away. We are entering a new age, 2012 is supposed to be the year that the trasnformation from old to new is complete. But transformation is never complete, so this just marks a major shift, which to me, is clearly present already.


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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
- The Beatles

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
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The potential has always been there. The willingness never. You need to do some research on that. There is no evidence of any lessining of poverty since the big political and social movents around this in my lifetime. I heard exactly the same claims in the 70s. It's an eliteist idea that helps ones conscience take a break for having to be one of the haves, often at the expense of the have nots.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
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Just so you know, I don't expect poverty to be vanquished within 6 years, simply because I don't expect that people will wake up soon enough. That shift in consciousness may actually be that necessary awakening among the developed world, where we realize our interconnectedness, and responsibility to the planet.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
The potential has always been there. The willingness never. You need to do some research on that. There is no evidence of any lessining of poverty since the big political and social movents around this in my lifetime. I heard exactly the same claims in the 70s. It's an eliteist idea that helps ones conscience take a break for having to be one of the haves, often at the expense of the have nots.


How is it elitist to point out that it is possible? I never said it was actually going to happen.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Silversoul said:
Actually, the poor tend to be much more spiritually oriented than the rich. It's those who have too much that are going to have a more difficult transition.


I would dispute this. Most really poor are malnourished or diseased and do not have the mental capacity (you need nutrients to fuel brain function) to work on their spirituality. Much of the worlds poor are in a state of malnutrition. Survival until tomorrow is their path.


Spirituality has nothing to do with mental capacity, you are mislead about that. It is about being, not thinking or doing. This is implicit in all life and enlightenment is the acknowledgment of that. It's not about figuring anything out, thinking will always just be thinking.


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Nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love.
- The Beatles

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