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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: 2012 = not [Re: tallgreen]
    #5695264 - 05/31/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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not willing to share, cause it wouldn't seem amazing to you, it would just give you an opportunity to say I'm a hippy or something. 

I'm not scared of anything.  It's like saying you are 100% sure the sun will set tonight.  Ok, maybe it won't but I'm not 99% I'm 100%, fear is not involved.  It truly believe that the sun will set tonight, I don't see how that's close minded.




It's closed minded IMO because we don't have the information to be 100% sure of anything. That's why people reach out to religion or political dogma, so they can be 100% sure they're right. And it is fear based at least in most cases IMO, because many people become invested egotistically and the ego cannot face being wrong.




I see your point.  I am definitely scared of being wrong.  It's a daily battle with my ego.  Admitting this is a victory over it.  So I guess I'm not sure of anything 100%.  The earth could stop spinning, I really don't know that it won't.  So back to the topic.  I guess I don't know what will happen.  But if I had to wager..




Admitting one doesn't know is a brave and true act IMO. :thumbup: It's brave because we are taught that to be ok we must know certain things.

Your best guess is up to you and you can use any method. I like to use intuition and experience. I hear something that feels "right" and because I want to choose a path I decide to believe it and explore it. But I never forget the other side of a coin. I could be totally wrong. This concept became clear to me from the Castaneda books. It's called "having to believe". It's very powerful but needs all it's component parts.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5695283 - 05/31/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The obstacle to spiritual development is not poverty, but materialism.




Not if you don't presuppose that spiritual development is a mystical endeavor. However, if you meant materialism in the sense of lusting after material possessions, then yes I suppose that would be detrimental.

There seems to be a lot of confusion over the meaning of "materialism" around here. My philosophy professors always used the term "physicalism" to describe the belief that there is nothing beyond the material world.



I was referring to the latter definition of materialism, not the philosophical kind.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695320 - 05/31/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A [nearly] global shift in consciousness happens about every hundred years. Pay more attention to the guerrilla mind theatre and stop concerning yourself with otherworldly expectations!


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5695340 - 05/31/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It does?


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695359 - 05/31/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yessir! Industrialization seems to have changed the consciousness of most of the world in the 20th century. The internet will probably be the primus impetus of consciouness change in the 21st century.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5695369 - 05/31/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The heliocentric model, once it was accepted, was a huge shift of consciousness, too.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5695373 - 05/31/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I can see that kind of change. It's got nothing to do with 2012 or emotional evolution either.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: 2012 = not [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5695376 - 05/31/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Age Of Enlightenment.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5695425 - 05/31/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Icelander it seems like you are scared in not beilieving in something 100%

Believe 100% for everything, all is connected and real no?
2012 in my mind happens alot of times to alot of people, anyone :laugh:
to me its just another metaphor trying to describe the act of breaking the veil, becomeing one with all. :royalrainbow: :mushroom2: :heart:


Edited by Springs (05/31/06 03:47 PM)


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695434 - 05/31/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

[Methinks] the "emotional level" of the average person in the 13th century is far below the average person nowadays (in the Occident.)


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5695465 - 05/31/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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icelander] I'm trying to take a logical look at the idea that 2012 is a big global consciousness change.




Logical look at consciousness :laugh:
Whats your definition of logic?
Would you not say a consciousness shit at any point would be a
metaphyisical or spiritual act?
Theres more than one road you know?
Will it be different or the same?
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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Silversoul]
    #5695477 - 05/31/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The obstacle to spiritual development is not poverty, but materialism.




The obstacle to spiritual development is religion. :smirk:

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Springs]
    #5695481 - 05/31/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander it seems like you are scared in not beilieving in something 100%

Believe 100% for everything, all is connected and real no?
2012 in my mind happens alot of times to alot of people, anyone :laugh:
to me its just another metaphor trying to describe the act of breaking the veil, becomeing one with all. :royalrainbow: :mushroom2: :heart:




Don't agree. It's non productive wishful thinking in my experience. Like I said this is the second time around for me.

But I could be totally wrong.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695503 - 05/31/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander it seems like you are scared in not beilieving in something 100%




From my point of observation, anyone who has to commit themselves to believing in something in such an absolute, 100% manner is doing so out of fear.

The nature of reality and our perception of it is that absolutely nothing is certain. To accept something as otherwise is close-minded.

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Like being here
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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695507 - 05/31/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know about the entire world, but most people i encounter have their basic survival needs met, and actually are allowing themselves to evolve emotionally. (then again, i'm anti-social at best, so i don't encounter that much people)
I have no idea what will happen in 2012, but there's this feeling that something will and that it will take effort. Just not sure whether i should trust this feeling or not. :shrug:


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695511 - 05/31/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think there is zero chance that humans will change by that time, in fact I don't think they will go to better at all.
What' I'd do is let them do whatever they wan't, legalise everything, and wait for the society to fall down, then start over again.

I think this society can not be fixed, it can only be destroyed


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5695531 - 05/31/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Just not sure whether i should trust this feeling or not. :shrug:




Why should you? What basis does it have beyond that of a "feeling"? I mean, what observation have you made directly from reality as it presents itself to you that is suggestive and supportive of the fact that, specificially on 2012, some sort of evolution will occur?

The amusing thing is that everytime someone mentions something about 2012, a line of people will exclaim "Well, nothing is going to happen directly on 2012, but its a change that will start beforehand and will noticeable then", or something to the effect, and its like, "um, dude, change occurs all the time, and your associating its possibility with some arbitrary date doesn't lend any sort of evidence or substantiation to the fact that someone else has prophecized that something will occur on that date".

It is always amusing to encounter so many people on a spirituality forum who will grow positively feral when it comes to affirming that some future event will occur, when The tenant of spirituality is to immerse oneself within the present moment, the here and now. The past no longer exists, and is only referred to by an abstract recollection, and the future does not exist and is only imaginary.

Which would seem to suggest that perhaps everyone should shut the fuck up about 2012 and simply live one's life in the moment? Go on, hang me to the cross right this instant, because this is the only instant in which we live... :smirk: :rolleyes:

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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695532 - 05/31/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander it seems like you are scared in not beilieving in something 100%

Believe 100% for everything, all is connected and real no?
2012 in my mind happens alot of times to alot of people, anyone :laugh:
to me its just another metaphor trying to describe the act of breaking the veil, becomeing one with all. :royalrainbow: :mushroom2: :heart:




Don't agree. It's non productive wishful thinking in my experience. Like I said this is the second time around for me.

But I could be totally wrong.




Thats just it, im not talking about wishfull thinking it, what happens when you eat 10 grams of mushrooms?

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Icelander it seems like you are scared in not beilieving in something 100%




From my point of observation, anyone who has to commit themselves to believing in something in such an absolute, 100% manner is doing so out of fear.

What about without commitment? and without fear, 100% and 0% become indifferent, just pure light. Eh, sorry I know my responces are more suited for the other forum, I just dont see a difference so I dont make it one :p plus im procrastinating by being here and posting :P


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5695536 - 05/31/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
The obstacle to spiritual development is not poverty, but materialism.




The obstacle to spiritual development is religion. :smirk:

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Peace. :mushroom2:




There is no religion anymore. People don't obey the religious laws, nor read the religious texts.
They go to churches, and like to say "god" a lot, but that's about it.
How many religious people have you met in your life? I mean the ones that live and think like Jesus? I've seen none.
So obviously, something that doesn't exist is not an obstacle to anything.

The obstacle to spiritual development is the fact that most people don't have a spirit to be developed.
Can you expect a dog to have spiritual development? Nope, because dogs  peak of spirituality is drinking from the toilet.


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Re: 2012 = not [Re: Icelander]
    #5695539 - 05/31/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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According to Maslow's hierarchy of needs




Maslow's hierchary of needs is not the be all end all description of human development, it's just one theory.


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