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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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It would be a personalism to say that you are an ass. It would not be to say that your ideas are asinine.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
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I've seen far more evangelism from atheists here than I have from the faithful. I personally see little difference between these two forms of evangelism. It's all just a battle of egos.



P&S even went through a crisis and waged war on the mysticism forum because it drew away the faithful from being constantly debunked in P&S to a demilitarized safe haven in MR&P.
Some people who are loyal to P&S fight this war even today.

On the Shroomery its the atheists who are fundamentalist. The believers are in check just fine, its the nonbelievers who keep stirring up shit, be it spiritual nonbelievers or social nonbelievers.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Asante]
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Frankly I don't think there are many atheists here. I think you mean rationalists.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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So there is no characterization of someone's personal identity as the result of their expression and behavior here?

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threaten anyone like fivepointer does...


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you and several others here make every attempt...


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you maintain the most condescending of attitudes...


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you are the second biggest evangelizer here, next to Skorp...


Completely unnecessary bullshit, honestly. There is no need for such commentary on who another person is and what they do. It is unproductive and cannot be discussed. It ends with people saying "oh, you do this, and you are that", and the other saying "no, this is what i do, you do that", etc. etc. etc.

Your comment towards fivepointer is a bit different, in that you state that he threatens individuals with fire and brimstone (at this point, I will ask you to provide an example of his doing this, otherwise there is no point in even proposing such thought for discussion). We can analzye an expression to determine if it is a threat or not "You will go to hell if you don't believe me". A very amusing threat, but a threat nonetheless.

Most notably, however, comments such as "you maintain the most condescending attitude" is bullshit heresay that has no purpose in being expressed in this forum. It is unsubstantiated accusations that cannot be determined, and it inevitably results in locked threads, warnings, and bans. Do we know the person or their actual attitude? Fuck no. Keep that pointless shit out of this forum, and feel free to utilize private messages to share your evaluations of another's character with them. :rolleyes:

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
P&S even went through a crisis and waged war on the mysticism forum because it drew away the faithful from being constantly debunked in P&S to a demilitarized safe haven in MR&P.


Philosophy and Spirituality waged war, eh? You mean like two people who went into the forum and trolled it? Wow... two people... truly representative of an entire forum. :lol:

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Some people who are loyal to P&S fight this war even today.


If we thought personalisms were bad, try directing personalisms agansit an entire forum. :rolleyes:

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fireworks_god]
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Icelander wrote:
True, but I haven't heard any athiests threaten anyone with hellfire and brimstone like fivepointer does with his petty little god.

Chime in here fivepointer and tell us what you think.


Your missing the point of why there is a Lake of Fire, it is because sinners deserve to be cast into it.

You don't see this because you are ignorant of God's righteousness.

Salvation is not a matter of accepting or rejecting some offer, that would be salvation by works, which is impossible. Anyone that would say such a thing does not believe the gospel. The proof of salvation is the belief of the gospel, period. And what is the gospel? It is in a nutshell, that Christ ALONE secured the salvation of His people, not because they deserve anything (they only deserve wrath), but solely because God is merciful.

Salvation is not a matter of accepting or rejecting some offer, that would be salvation by works, which is impossible. Anyone that would say such a thing does not believe the gospel. The proof of salvation is the belief of the gospel, period. And what is the gospel? It is in a nutshell, that Christ ALONE secured the salvation of His people, not because they deserve anything (they only deserve wrath), but sorely because God is merciful.

The belief of the gospel is not the causative agent of salvation, the causative agent of the mercy of God. The belief of the gospel is the evidence, not the cause of salvation. The vast majority of so called "Christians" have constructed a "gospel" that does not exist in scripture, by confusing the causes and the effects.

Edited by fivepointer (05/07/06 12:47 PM)

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
You don't see this because you are ignorant of God's righteousness.


More personalisms! What a wonderful thread, very productive. :smirk:

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fireworks_god]
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[Double posting deleted]

Edited by fivepointer (05/07/06 12:37 PM)

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fireworks_god]
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I don't remember making that comment on someone being condesending, In fact just yesterday I defended someone who was accused of this and stated that I am more condesending then he.

Fivepointers motives are obvious to me at least. He is saying if you are not saved according to scripture you are going to eternal punishment in hell. Frankly I'm willing to be banned for taking him to task for that.

I know for sure that I have used personalisms at times. I'm not now or will ever be perfect. I try not to as a rule. I really only have a problem with people who make a living out of it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I don't remember making that comment on someone being condesending, In fact just yesterday I defended someone who was accused of this and stated that I am more condesending then he.


Yes, you were not the person who made that comment, Paradigm did, and it was directed towards Diploid. You commented that you are more condescending than Diploid was. :tongue:

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Fivepointers motives are obvious to me at least. He is saying if you are not saved according to scripture you are going to eternal punishment in hell. Frankly I'm willing to be banned for taking him to task for that.


So its an unsubstantiated, illogical belief. You didn't really direct a personalism agansit him, but you did state that he threatens, and I asked you to demonstrate where it is that he has done so.

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I know for sure that I have used personalisms at times. I'm not now or will ever be perfect. I try not to as a rule. I really only have a problem with people who make a living out of it.


Same here. I could name a few if pressed. :lol:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fireworks_god]
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Icelander wrote:
True, but I haven't heard any athiests threaten anyone with hellfire and brimstone like fivepointer does with his petty little god.

I don't threaten, I'm merely stating what scripture says. You don't have a problem with me, you have a problem with the scripture.

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fivepointer]
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True I do. Tell me fivepointer. What is your point in posting this on a psychedelic forum?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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Tell me fivepointer. What is your point in posting this on a psychedelic forum?

This is a Spirituality Forum so the postings are on topic.

The gospel must be proclaimed in all places, His sheep will hear His voice. I do not know if any of His sheep are reading this forum, however it is not my job to worry about that.

Edited by fivepointer (05/07/06 01:10 PM)

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
If any Christian tries to convert me, I'm gonna slap em around.


Christians only preach, God alone converts.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fivepointer]
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I think sheep is a very apt term.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Frankly I don't think there are many atheists here. I think you mean rationalists.


i beg to differ, there are quite a few people here who are self-proclaimed atheists.

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Deviate]
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Can you throw out 6 names to me?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Deviate]
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There are several agnostics who post here, but I have not heard more than one or two people claim to be atheists.

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agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god


However, there are quite a few posters here who are opposed to organized religion, evangelism, and the legislation of religious morals. This has little to do with the existence (or lack thereof) of God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any other supernatural beings.

Edited by Veritas (05/07/06 04:37 PM)

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Can you throw out 6 names to me?


just off the top of my head i can recall the following users describing themselves as atheist:

diploid
itstarssaddam
ravus
SkorpivoMusterion
bellylard
MikeOLogical
Redstorm

oops that's more than six.


and veritas, i'm well aware of the term agnostic which is why i only listed users who specifically described themselves as atheist, however i suggest you review skorpvio's thread on agnosticism vs atheism <a href="mhttp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5266178/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1" target="_blank">mhttp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5266178/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1</a> in which he explains why he is a proud atheist, both hard and soft and how agnosticism gives credit to beliefs which deserve none.

Edited by Deviate (05/07/06 04:49 PM)

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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Frankly I don't think there are many atheists here. I think you mean rationalists.


Rationalism often leads to Atheism, doesn't it?

But to an ignorant mind, rationalism is as dangerous as blind faith, isn't it?


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