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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5598065 - 05/06/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's just that you were always asking the wrong questions.
There ARE no wrong questions in the search for Truth, only uncomfortable ones. They're uncomfortable because they shine a light on a possible flaw that your ego has taken a liking to.
Separate your ego from your beliefs, and you'll be more comfortable if they're ever shown to be lacking. Your search for Truth, unencumbered by ego, will be more fruitful too.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
#5598074 - 05/06/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: it's just that you were always asking the wrong questions.
There ARE no wrong questions in the search for Truth, only uncomfortable ones. They're uncomfortable because they shine a light on a possible flaw that your ego has taken a liking to.
very well said
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5598091 - 05/06/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But shroomers are also closeminded toward christian views, so they are no more open-minded than anyone other. Have you actually seen someone change their mind during discussion here on this forum?
I'm not sure if that's being closed minded or just not convinced. For me, being open minded means to actually listen to what the person is saying, free from my own expectations, opinions, and thoughts. Then to either accept his thinking as it is, or if it's a debate, then to try to argue against his thinking if I see it as differing from my own views.
I see being closed minded as either not properly listening or refusal to accept a person's views as such, and wanting to prove yourself right in all situations.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
#5598104 - 05/06/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, I really mean WRONG questions. This is a wrong question:
person A: Yesterday I bought a color TV person B: And what color was that?
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5598108 - 05/06/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
#5598110 - 05/06/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: it's just that you were always asking the wrong questions.
There ARE no wrong questions in the search for Truth, only uncomfortable ones. They're uncomfortable because they shine a light on a possible flaw that your ego has taken a liking to.
Separate your ego from your beliefs, and you'll be more comfortable if they're ever shown to be lacking. Your search for Truth, unencumbered by ego, will be more fruitful too.
no, he was saying that you were asking the wrong questions in the sense that you were testing peoples limited understanding of concepts instead of testing the concepts themselves. for example, if i started asking a 9th grader who had a limited understanding of biology, questions about evolution that he couldn't answer, this would not prove the theory of evolution was false, nor would it be a good way to assess the merit of the theory.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
#5598122 - 05/06/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: You are again being dishonest in portraying your position. If you were merely asking for evidence, I would applaud you. But you have maintain the most condescending of attitudes towards beliefs which recognize a higher power. You are the second biggest evangelizer here, next to Skorpivo(yes, even fivepointer is not as bad as you). There are several skeptics here who maintain an honest skepticism towards others' beliefs(MushmanTheManic comes to mind), but you, sir, like to pretend that ridicule and hostility are the same as skeptical inquiry.
I think that's not true. I have heard Dip often state that shown evidence he would be very eager to believe some of the things said as truth on this forum. He's one of the most open minded on these forums IMO. He's also fucking smart and experienced, which may bug some folks. He's a real asset to the shroomery and his only problem that I see is that he doesn't involve himself in enough threads here.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Deviate]
#5598126 - 05/06/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Deviate said:
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Diploid said: it's just that you were always asking the wrong questions.
There ARE no wrong questions in the search for Truth, only uncomfortable ones. They're uncomfortable because they shine a light on a possible flaw that your ego has taken a liking to.
Separate your ego from your beliefs, and you'll be more comfortable if they're ever shown to be lacking. Your search for Truth, unencumbered by ego, will be more fruitful too.
no, he was saying that you were asking the wrong questions in the sense that you were testing peoples limited understanding of concepts instead of testing the concepts themselves. for example, if i started asking a 9th grader who had a limited understanding of biology, questions about evolution that he couldn't answer, this would not prove the theory of evolution was false, nor would it be a good way to assess the merit of the theory.
In a way, yes...
the kid says: ..so the monkeys turned into people you say: really? did it happen while they were sleeping? kid: I don't know, I think not you: oh? And how long did it take? kid: I don't know, I think it must have been long, like months you: really? that sounds unlikely. Did those people remember the times when they were monkeys? kid: I don't know, I think they must have, I mean I remember when I was in kindergarten, sort of..and that was more than months ago.. you: And did it hurt? kid: yea, I think so, but I'm not sure you: you know what kid? This theory of yourse is full of holes, I don't buy it. There is no such thing as evolution
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
#5598187 - 05/06/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: You are again being dishonest in portraying your position. If you were merely asking for evidence, I would applaud you. But you have maintain the most condescending of attitudes towards beliefs which recognize a higher power. You are the second biggest evangelizer here, next to Skorpivo(yes, even fivepointer is not as bad as you). There are several skeptics here who maintain an honest skepticism towards others' beliefs(MushmanTheManic comes to mind), but you, sir, like to pretend that ridicule and hostility are the same as skeptical inquiry.
I think that's not true. I have heard Dip often state that shown evidence he would be very eager to believe some of the things said as truth on this forum. He's one of the most open minded on these forums IMO. He's also fucking smart and experienced, which may bug some folks. He's a real asset to the shroomery and his only problem that I see is that he doesn't involve himself in enough threads here.
saying that you'll believe something when shown evidence doesn't mean you aren't condescending.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Deviate]
#5598282 - 05/06/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm saying that I don't notice him being condescending. I think I'm much more condescending than Diploid. Everyone here I believe is condescending at times but in general Diploid is not.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
#5598504 - 05/06/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I'm saying that I don't notice him being condescending. I think I'm much more condescending than Diploid. Everyone here I believe is condescending at times but in general Diploid is not.
And I don't think either of you two are condescending. All this does to show, is the simple fact that all of our conceptions in the prints of posts, paragraphs and threads, are all in relation to our particular concept-formation drawing in on banks of memories and imagination. It's rather typical for most to not think in a vacuum. Come to think of it, I've always thought Diploid was one of the least condescending people around here - but what is objectively the case, I don't know and frankly, I don't care to know. Whether he smiles or frowns while writing posts has no bearing on the validity of any points he makes, whatsoever.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5599331 - 05/06/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If any Christian tries to convert me, I'm gonna slap em around.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5599381 - 05/06/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"I want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in things; then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful... I do not want to wage war against what is ugly. I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to accuse those who accuse. Looking away shall be my only negation." -- Nietzsche
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5599420 - 05/06/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I keep wanting to do this but I keep going back in to wage war. Sometimes I see myself as an antibody and I have to attack anything I think is a virus.
That's just crazy.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
#5599425 - 05/06/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or is it? Maybe that's my job in the Universe.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
#5599583 - 05/07/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Or is it? Maybe that's my job in the Universe.
I wonder if we can ever actually 'know' our job in the Universe?
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
#5599736 - 05/07/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I keep wanting to do this but I keep going back in to wage war. Sometimes I see myself as an antibody and I have to attack anything I think is a virus.
That's just crazy.
No, it isn't. Nietzsche ended crazy, so you have to take him with a big grain of salt. If i.e. a woman is raped before your eyes, one of the worst things you can do is to look away. And I think that is so, with every major crime.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5599968 - 05/07/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Taking Nietzsche with a big grain of salt will only give you indigestion.
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5600410 - 05/07/06 08:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Outside of that, (and that is personal for me) I don't mind some heated debate as long as we try to keep the personalisms out.
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Icelander said: True, but I haven't heard any athiests threaten anyone with hellfire and brimstone like fivepointer does with his petty little god.
Chime in here fivepointer and tell us what you think.
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Silversoul said: But it is rather dishonest of you to act as if this is the only thing atheists such as you are doing on this forum. You and several others here have made every attempt to ridicule faith and portray atheism as the only possible sane position. That is evangelism.
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Silversoul said: You are again being dishonest in portraying your position. If you were merely asking for evidence, I would applaud you. But you have maintain the most condescending of attitudes towards beliefs which recognize a higher power. You are the second biggest evangelizer here, next to Skorpivo(yes, even fivepointer is not as bad as you). There are several skeptics here who maintain an honest skepticism towards others' beliefs(MushmanTheManic comes to mind), but you, sir, like to pretend that ridicule and hostility are the same as skeptical inquiry.
So much for trying to keep personalisms out of the heated debate, eh? 
There certainly isn't anything like unsubstantiated heresay and speculation under the veil of "discussion". 
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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: fireworks_god]
#5600518 - 05/07/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't say anything personal about fivepointer. I called his god petty and asked him to give his two cents so people could see what I'm talking about.
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