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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
    #5601902 - 05/07/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It has nothing to do with "handling it" or not. I can take the heat just fine, thanks. It all goes back to my original point: that many the "rationalists" here are more judgemental of others' ideas than most of the theists and mystics here. That's all I've been trying to say in this whole thread. It's just a statement of fact, nothing more.

Oh an btw, belittling anything, whether a person or an idea, is never productive, and simply shows a lack of maturity.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601905 - 05/07/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So if someone completely disagrees with your ideas, even belittles those ideas, that means that they are judgmental and close-minded??

*buzz* Fallacy alert!

Certainly it would be less judgmental to refrain from belittling Fundamentalist Christians who constantly cite the Bible as support for their beliefs. (Circular logic.) Yet what is the purpose of this forum? To challenge beliefs, to debate them, dissect them, etc...


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Veritas]
    #5601909 - 05/07/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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So if someone completely disagrees with your ideas, even belittles those ideas, that means that they are judgmental and close-minded??



I didn't say that. You did.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601915 - 05/07/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Acceptance quickly becomes a boring game. I'd rather have everyone take off all their clothes, grab their best weapons, and battle it out to the death... metaphorically. Lets see which "good news" can cut the deepest.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601916 - 05/07/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm asking you for clarification. (Note the double question marks.)

You stated that those who had been attacking your beliefs, belittling your ideas, were judgmental and close-minded. (Yes, I saw that before your Ninja edit.) What leads you to make that judgment, aside from their practice of disagreeing with your beliefs?


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601917 - 05/07/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

many the "rationalists" here are more judgemental of others' ideas than most of the theists and mystics here

That's debatable, but in the end, being judgemental of ideas is why we're here, no? That some of us are more vigorous about it than others seems inevitable given eclectic mix of people we have going here.  :wink:


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
    #5601945 - 05/07/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here's my point: It's one thing to question others' ideas, and another to belittle them(by which I mean their ideas). I welcome disagreement, but what I see here is people being treated like they're inferior for daring to think there's more to this world than science can explain. What I see is a secularist Inquisition.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601949 - 05/07/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not saying that they're belittling me, at least not specifically. They belittle my beliefs and others like me. I am not accusing anyone of breaking the forum rules, but I am saying that it is no better than the Christian on the street corner telling you that you're going to hell for what you believe.




I think there is. People can easily become afraid for their lives when told that they will burn in hell. This kind of stress is very bad for children especially. Telling someone their belief is stupid but without consequences is very different IMO.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601951 - 05/07/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Inquiry es bueno.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Icelander]
    #5601954 - 05/07/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I think there is. People can easily become afraid for their lives when told that they will burn in hell. This kind of stress is very bad for children especially. Telling someone their belief is stupid but without consequences is very different IMO.



It may be different in effect, but the intention behind it is the same.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601955 - 05/07/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what I see here is people being treated like they're inferior

Correction:

what I see here is people's ideas being treated like they're inferior


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
    #5601959 - 05/07/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So when you trash "mystics," you're not really talking about the mystics? :confused:


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601960 - 05/07/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mysticism.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
    #5601963 - 05/07/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, if it is not possible to say (In YOUR opinion) "That is quality philosophy" or "that is poor philosophy," and dispute the ideas therein, what are we doing here? If the point is to be supportive of ALL ideas, no matter how inferior they may appear to us, why post them in a debate forum?


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601965 - 05/07/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I trash MYSTICISM, not MYSTICS.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
    #5601969 - 05/07/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I trash MYSTICISM, not MYSTICS.



I seem to recall several posts to the contrary.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601970 - 05/07/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe, but I'm concerned with effects. I have been witness to them and that is why I am so quick to respond. With other topics I'm much more casual.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601974 - 05/07/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You may have interpreted them that way, but that's not how they were meant. You are taking philosophical debate personally.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Diploid]
    #5601988 - 05/07/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

When you use the word "mystic" in the context I've seen you use it, I generally assume that it is meant to refer to people who hold mystical beliefs, as that is the generally accepted interpretation of such grammatical use. If you used the word "mysticism" when referring to mysticism, it might be a bit less confusing.


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Re: Will you accept ----- as your personal.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5601991 - 05/07/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Anyway, I'm sick of debating this. I'm not here to change the way anyone debates or what they believe. I was just here to point out a double-standard, and my point seems to have gone over most people's heads. I'm outta here.


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