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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Awareness, Experience Is Mystical
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I refer to this definition of mysticism "#Of, relating to, or stemming from direct communion with ultimate reality or God: a mystical religion. ", first and foremost. :wink:

The nature of the fact that we are aware and that we experience reality is a mystery. Here we are, conducting this awareness, perceiving our environment. The sheer profound mystery of this is overwhelming when one takes it into consideration.

Stemming from a direct communion with reality? That is our experience! The more we directly perceive reality, the more we are aware. Our experience is mystical.

The less the mind imposes onto the experience a sense of identity that is derived from our memories of what has transpired before, the more we are directly, openly interacting with reality. Our minds are able to increase our degree of awareness. The more focus and energy we put into our present experience, the more awareness results.

How does it feel to be aware? How does it feel to perceive an object, to inhabit space and to be able to realize that one is inhabiting space?

The simple fact that we have an experience should raise a few questions. :grin: Who is to say what results when one explores inward into one's awareness?

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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i agree, life is a mystical experience.

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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:thumbup:

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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Om


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: dblaney]
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Jah. Very illuminating words! :thumbup:

The nature of awareness is something we should all individually be inspecting a little closer.

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: exclusive58]
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In some states.
Maybe not thinking.
There are things sensed - an awareness - totality wise.
Later it is gone.
I wonder if it was real.
I want to be with it again.


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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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Awareness is becoming less of a mystery and much more of a science.

Does not make its implications less special. The Universe becoming aware of itself in its grand calculation.

"What if these theories are really true, and we were magically shrunk and put into someone's brain while he was thinking. We would see all the pumps, pistons, gears and levers working away, and we would be able to describe their workings completely, in mechanical terms, thereby completely describing the thought processes of the brain. But that description would nowhere contain any mention of thought! It would contain nothing but descriptions of pumps, pistons, levers!"

- Wilhelm Leibniz

An interesting read: http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0314.html?printable=1


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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...but, but, but i wanna interract with a borrowed idea of what god is - you know something i read in a book or what someone else told me about, not what is right in front of me. i wanna hear a voice, not merely the wind; i want to see aliens and elves and dead relatives and ufos and not just sky and clouds and trees - they are not mysterious enough.


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i have less ego than you do!

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: psyka]
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psyka said:
Awareness is becoming less of a mystery and much more of a science.



Perhaps the nature of the physical mechanisms that are responsible for awareness being produced is becoming less of a mystery, as scientific understanding increases.

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Does not make its implications less special.


Exactly. Such a mystery that we are building an understanding of, in the scientific sense, is not the same mystery as what I am referring to, either.

Just the mystery of "Wow, I'm... here... alive, aware... experiencing things".... I wish I could be more explicit, but there isn't any true way of conveying it in words. The simple fact that there is this present experience, awareness... awareness experiencing something....

"Like, whoa, dude.. profound! :stoned:" :rolleyes:

:lol: Seriously, though. The more we allow our mind to assimilate this present experience as though it is business as usual and diminish our perception and awareness of it, the less we live!

It isn't business as usual, this is the only moment in which we fucking live! Each passing second is an abstract division of the eternal present moment, which, in whichever form it currently exists, is a unique, blessed experience that will never be felt again. I don't care if it is the same act you have been performing five days a week, for how many years... Fucking live it!

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: Temptress]
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Temptress said:
...but, but, but i wanna interract with a borrowed idea of what god is - you know something i read in a book or what someone else told me about, not what is right in front of me. i wanna hear a voice, not merely the wind; i want to see aliens and elves and dead relatives and ufos and not just sky and clouds and trees - they are not mysterious enough.


The atmosphere and trees are quite possibly among the most spiritual, mystical properties of the universe... eclipsed only by the Sun!

Since when does the Sun eclipse things... isn't it the other way around? :smirk:

:nut:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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How does that saying go? Before Zen, a mountain is just a mountain and a tree is just a tree. During Zen, a mountain is not a mountain and a tree is not a tree. After Zen, a mountain is just a mountain and a tree is just a tree.

:grin:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Who is to say what results when one explores inward into one's awareness?


How do you discern what you receive from what you see, hear, and feel from what it is actually going on around you? Does what you comprehend from your surroundings equal out what is happening from an objective observer's point of view? Do you think your current state of mind has an impact of what you take in from the world around you and what you choose to ignore? And if you take in certain parts of reality, you're only taking a chunk of the big picture. Based on your state of awareness then, what part of reality did you choose to neglect, and is your piece of the reality pie equate to the actual events taken? What determines our current perception of events that lets us take in what is, to our understanding, real?


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010001100100001001000101!

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: Fospher]
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Fospher said:
How do you discern what you receive from what you see, hear, and feel from what it is actually going on around you?


The elimination of all unnecessary filters between the sensory data collected through one's sensory devices and one's conscious mind.

Taking note and comparing notes, but not letting the note-taking process or the comparison of notes to interfere with directly perceiving that which is having notes taken on.

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Does what you comprehend from your surroundings equal out what is happening from an objective observer's point of view?


I'm not sure, I've never met an objective observer in order for me to be able to ask one. :lol:

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Do you think your current state of mind has an impact of what you take in from the world around you and what you choose to ignore?


One's current state of mind determines the manner in which one interprets the sensory information derived from one's sensory devices' interactions with reality, most certainly.

I do not consciously choose to ignore anything.

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And if you take in certain parts of reality, you're only taking a chunk of the big picture.


Such is the nature of a limited perspective.

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Based on your state of awareness then, what part of reality did you choose to neglect, and is your piece of the reality pie equate to the actual events taken?


Based on my preferred state of awareness, no aspect of reality is neglected, as the mind is brought to stop interfering with my direct perceptions of reality. Thus, it can only be assumed that the sensory data that my consciousness is becoming more aware of and is more directly perceiving is accurately portraying the aspects of reality that it is intended to represent. To question one's senses any further would be to cross a line where nothing at all could be known about reality.

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What determines our current perception of events that lets us take in what is, to our understanding, real?


Senses - sensory data - perception of sensory data - interpretation of sensory data - conscious experience of sensory data.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: dblaney]
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dblaney said:
How does that saying go? Before Zen, a mountain is just a mountain and a tree is just a tree. During Zen, a mountain is not a mountain and a tree is not a tree. After Zen, a mountain is just a mountain and a tree is just a tree.

:grin:


which is why we should just skip zen and save a step.


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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: Temptress]
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First there is a mountain
Then there is no mountain
Then there is

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Quote:
First there is a mountain.


the end.


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i have less ego than you do!

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: Temptress]
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I like my story better.

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
First there is a mountain
Then there is no mountain
Then there is


I like that.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: dblaney]
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that.


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Re: Awareness, Experience Is Mystical [Re: Temptress]
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Temptress said:
that.


I like


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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