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 Diploid Cuban   Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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Yes and I would wager humans emit certain forms of energy which others can pick up on.
That would be a truly wonderful discovery and I will be the first to jump for joy at the opening of a grand new landscape for science to investigate. Until then, it's in the same camp as the Flying Spaghetti Monster: lots of people claim He exists, but nobody can introduce us. as I referenced you a link a while ago heat measures were raised by 61% in Tibettan Buddhist Meditators So can I. I just have to go jogging, while monks can do it sitting still. This is observable, explainable, physiology. It can be induced by doctors with drugs. The only thing special about it is the monks' amazing control over their bodies. Auras, on the other hand, have never even been objectively observed by anyone. I just have to ask, have you never felt energy while under the influence of psychedelic drugs Of course I have, but I'm not gullible enough to think that an experience that happened WHILE I WAS ON A HALLUCINOGEN was anything other than a HALLUCINATION.  For me to accept something, it has to withstand scrutiny. That means dead sober, in broad daylight, and reproducible. Anything less and it's only a "maybe so, maybe not", and on hallucinogens it's "almost certainly not". -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Diploid Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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It sounds like they are testing claims to detect physical human bodies behind screens.
No, they're testing if some guy who says he can see auras above people's head can actually see them. Tell me something. If you were tasked with testing someone's ability to see auras, how would you go about doing it? Note that I'm not asking you to test if auras exist. I'm asking you to test if some guy who says he can see them three feet above everyone's head actually can. How would you do this? [Note to audience: Jiggy will not answer my direct simple question.] -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government. Edited by Diploid (03/30/06 12:23 AM)
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 Xanthas Blaspheme,blasph  Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 19 years, 4 months |
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Nor will he, apparently, respond to me any more. If I am not mistaken, I asked that same question. -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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gettinjiggywithit jiggy    Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Nice Job, Xanthos, getting into personalisms for an entire post reply adding NOTHING to the discussions.
Its known around these parts that when all you can do is get into personalisms, you have lost all intelligent arguments.  If you were referring to dips debunking as his personal hobby for fun and entertainment, did it ever dawn on you that maybe aura seeing is a personal hobby for fun and entertainment to posters here? I don't know one shroomerite that charges money for aura readings. I think where both yourself and diploid thought I didn't read what he said is because, I used the same argument you guys are using for not being just as skeptical and critical and demanding of the test measures used. Why be so quick to buy into its authenticity to prove something not real without really investigating further if its an accurate measure for testing such a claim to see auras? There is nothing scientific about a bias position that can skew results or the interpretation of them or not allow for mistakes to be made in the proper testing procedures due to lack of knowledge regarding the nature of whats being tested. Without the technology that can do it, there is nothing to compare a claim too. We don't yet know how it should work and under what conditions and what could throw it off, until we develop the techy version. You can bet Xanthos that if someone wants to pick at Frauds and just limits it to ESP claims, I am going to raise awareness on Larger Fraud systems to be more concerned about for anyone who truly cares about people being frauded and deceived out of money and sometimes, their own lives. ESP claims are small potatoes by comparison. Why not enlighten ourselves to the blatant mass fraud we all have been subject to, like it or not. All the more, if all I said made no sense to you, it goes to show how many people are not even aware of being scammed by legalized systems. It should be addressed where fraud is discussed and people think they are not gullible or even not a contributing supporting factor of a much larger fraudulent system. Diploid, I know you see a lot of that too. We've talked about it before. Aren't we all better served if we spend more time discussing, and exploring how it happens at the root cause and not the symptom level? As far as the topic of some shroomery members saying they have had experiences with seeing auras, we know they aren't out to fraud anyone and just find it fascinating and want to discuss it with others. We are all in this together, exploring reality through philosophy and spirituality here in this forum. The science forum is two doors down and on the right. If we step back and let them all who have had such experiences feel free to share them, we might all learn something more about a possibility or human potential.  
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Diploid Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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We are all in this together, exploring reality through philosophy and spirituality here in this forum
One of the cornerstones of philosophical discussion is the asking and answering of probing questions intended to highlight and draw out the flaws in another's argument if any exist.
QED -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government. Edited by Diploid (03/30/06 12:42 AM)
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Xanthas Blaspheme,blasph Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 19 years, 4 months |
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I wanted a response to my previous post. You posted since then, ignoring my post entirely. I pointed that out.
There's a difference. Diploid advocates critical thinking. Claims of aura reading do just the opposite.
Once again, I advocate that you read the precious posts. I'll summarize, if you're that averse to such. 1) The idea is to test if people can detect auras. 2) The testees help design the tests. What makes this useless/biased? What criticism can be levied against it, when the testee can alter the test to his/her preference. Why does this need an already detectable aura?
That's all well and good, but this is not the topic. In this thread, aura claims are being debated. Not fraudulent Frenchmen or government greed.
I would venture a guess and say that a severe lack of critical thinking skills and laziness among the general populace is the root cause.
This forum is debate oriented and designed for those who seek a lively discussion full of dissenting opinions and rebutted arguments. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. If you seek a forum to express your ideas without any criticism, try our Mysticism, Religion & the Paranormal forum. The Mysticism, Religion & the Paranormal forum is a few clicks away.
I do believe that learning about the same is the entire point of this debate. Thus, if humans do not have a possibility/potential, and are merely deceiving themselves, that is also knowledge gained. One person believes 50 things, and 25 of those things are wrong. Another believes 25 things. All of them are correct. Which one is wiser? [Also not, that gettinjiggywithit did not answer the question.] -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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gettinjiggywithit jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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 Are we on stage? There must be 12 questions I have asked you so far that went unanswered by you. You have dodged much, I have dodged nothing.To answer your question, I am not that simple if you haven't noticed after a year and a half. I would be asking why we were wasting time testing a claim to see 3 foot over head auras. What is the point use and purpose. I would first want to know what we were after and then why. If I believed in the cause and wanted to roll with it, I would then have to do a shit load of research on the subject to be able to formulate a test I would feel comfortable with providing results you could bank on either way. Sure it sounds logical to use the screen test. Based on what I do understand about ESP phenomenon, it doesn't work in a linear physics fashion but in quantum mechanics. You know enough about quantum mechanics diploid, more then me, to know how unstable, unpredicatble and random that field is. I can see plausible reasons for someone with such a hyper sensing ability to see something there without a human body as I have stated. I can see plausible reason for someone with such a hyper sensitivity to maybe not see something there where a human was behind the screen. What I know about this stuff, the guy already is a FRAUD. I wouldn't waste my time with him. Seers I have followed who I believe in, say some peoples auric fields generate about a half inch from the physical body and they have seen others with a field 50 feet out. Say this guy only experienced seeing an average of 3 feet and its some common norm and say we tested him with nobody behind the screen and he got that right, and then with somebody behind the screen who happened to have a half inch aura, he wasn;t able to see and so said no one was there and got it wrong? His results would match those of guessing participants and tell us nothing about his actual ability if he had one. I think we would first have to have the scientific equipment to be able to detect the field of each subject behind the screen while they were behind it to account for possible errors as such. How would you catch someone with a half inch auric field that could botch the results of the screen test today? We need the scientific tools FIRST before we can start proving people right or wrong. I think any other form of testing is potentially flawed with guess work at the testers end until then.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Diploid Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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I would be asking why we were wasting time testing a claim to see 3 foot over head auras. What is the point use and purpose.
The point is to determine if his claim is true. What part of that are you having trouble with? How would you catch someone with a half inch auric field As usual, you don't give my question enough attention to even understand it before pouring out a long narrative that has nothing to do with the question. *** THE GUY CLAIMS HE CAN SEE AN AURA THREE FEET HIGH ABOVE EVERYONE'S HEAD. THREE FEET! THREE FEET! THREE FEET! *** Not average, not more, not less. THREE FEET. If you change my question before answering it, you are not answering my question. Did you accidentally change THREE FEET to HALF INCH or was that deliberate? And that was just the first in a long string of things you changed, deleted, and added to my question that are not there. It is not possible to have a philosophical discussion with you. I give up. -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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gettinjiggywithit jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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What reply of yours to me did I miss? Are you sure you made the reply out to my name and not someone elses?
Help me find it and I'll address it.  How do you know a person who may be able to read auras isn't doing so critically? That's a huge assumption to make. Who ran the test in this case? If it was Randys group, many participants of his test have said that when the day came, they were not allowed to set it up and or take it as originally agreed too. Right there the results are null and void. If I claim I can jump 15 feet and you agree to test me on it and at the last minute tell me I have to wear a mesh suit or do 20 feet and then say I failed when I can't, thats making false claims. If for real, the testee can set it up and the tester agrees and then the testee fails, they wasted everyones time and made a fool of themselves. Why are claims of aura seeing abilities being debated? The poster was sharing his personal experience with it, not asking if it was really happening to him or not. None the less he posted in here at his own risk of being questioned and challenged and here we are. In the course of the debates/discussions, I see people being accused of deception, be it of the self or to those who believe in others making claims. We all are susceptible to being scammed and frauded out of money by much higher powers with control over us. So why finger point as if any of us are above it. It would serve us all better to understand the nature of it then to pass quick judgments. No one learns from threads packed with judgments. Laziness on the lay person was an interesting answer to my question about the root cause of rampant fraud in the world at the highest of levels deemed "trust worthy". Critical thinking skills lacking is a given. I still see those as symptoms to a root cause. Why is the public at large lacking critical thinking skills and to lazy to challenge the systems at play? This goes philosophically deeper. I never said I had a problem with lively debate. Obviously, I enjoy it. This debate is too scientific oriented for a spirituality and philosophy forum. If this topic was posted in the science forum, it would've been laughed out the door or moved to MR&P. I don't see many on the challenging side, using philosophical or spiritual based arguments to challenge the posters post. If people wanted scientific enrichment they would be reading there. memebers come here for philosphical and spiritual enrichment. Thats why I gave the reminder that this isn't the science forum.  So, you honestly believe that the test example dip shared to disprove one mans claims, render the possibility and potential in all humans null and void for past present and future? What did we learn from it but that one made made a claim and couldn't prove it. How does that information help you in life Xanthos? I'll answer your last question too. The one who guessed 25 correct out of 25 versus 25 out of 50 answered 100 percent of the 25 questions asked of him correctly and the other answered 50% of the 50 questions asked of him correctly. Who is to say that if the one asked only 25, would not have answered the additional 25 the other guy did incorrectly too? Your question can bare zero evidence of who is more wise.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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gettinjiggywithit jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Easy. I am having trouble understanding who cares if he can or not and why they would waste their time with such a test. Obviously our priorities in life are radically different. You asked me a hypothetical question and I answered it honestly. Was I suppose to be a hypothetical person who cares about proving such claims of aura seeing wrong?
I don't see you working to hard to understand a thing I have typed. Great for you if short simple answers fulfill your thirst for knowledge. I have no problem reading volumes of information and prefer them to short bits leaving to much room for me to make assumptions to fill in the blanks. I gave good reasons for how I would handle it and what I would take into consideration if I decided to roll with testing him. If the screen test was good enough for you, I have no problem saying, it wasn't any where near well thought out or critical enough for me to bring results I would be satisfied with.
Now for certain you have not been paying attention. If the guy says he can see 3 foot overhead auras and a body behind the screen really has one only a half inch field from his body, the man making the claim to see 3 foot over head auras will NOT see his and will say there must then be no body behind the screen. That proves nothing to measure his 3 foot seeing ability claim. Do you really, not understand this possible scenario that could botch a test of his claim to read them at 3 feet, given you said, presume that auras are real?
Maybe if you were philosophizing we could begin a philosophical discussion on the topic. So far you have been coming from a sloppy scientific test base on the subject matter. The screen test is sloppy by my standards and I am a scrutinizing BITCH when it comes to critical for-sight related to trouble shooting potential problems with ideas. When it comes to serious objective validation of something, I don't do quick simple tests or relate to mental laziness or short sightedness either. I do my homework and take my time to think through as much as possible to cover my own ass, when my professional work ethic, MONEY or HEALTH is on the line. You don't see or know that side of me because I have nothing on the line to loose engaging in discussions on a message board. Look at what happened with Titanic because of someones inability to forsight weakened steal and how it can become weakened. Not cool! I wonder why would you expect a short simple answer from a person notorious for thinking too much and too many complicated thoughts? You just showed your ability to for-sight probabilities with the information at hand could use some work there. If you prefer short simple answers to how one would handle a serious objective scientific test to validate such a paranormal claim, perhaps you should engage in discussions with 3 year olds.  In my experience, they tend to give short simple answers and would run a high probability for providing them to you. 
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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psyka Praetorian  Registered: 06/09/03 Posts: 1,652 |
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In order to create "aura goggles" we would first have to establish they exist.
Since people claim to see aura's, some of these people were tested and all failed. So A) claimant reported to see aura's, B) failed the test for seeing aura's. The claimant lied. That simple. "If the guy says he can see 3 foot overhead auras and a body behind the screen really has one only a half inch field from his body, the man making the claim to see 3 foot over head auras will NOT see his and will say there must then be no body behind the screen. That proves nothing to measure his 3 foot seeing ability claim." Just FYI, that statement needs a lot of punctuation to make it more clear. And what does a "half inch field" have to do with the test? -------------------- As the life of a candle, my wick will burn out. But, the fire of my mind shall beam into infinite.  
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leery11 I Tell You What!  Registered: 06/25/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 11 years, 6 months |
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The energy "hallucinations" are a result of masses of previously unaware sensory and neural information information, in this case physical, coming to awareness and overloading it. They do not come from nothing, hallucinations cannot come from nothing they come from scrutiny of your perceptions of what already is. Agere disgaere? Yuo cna sitll read tihs I await science to make breakthroughs with it too..... but most people don't have a lot of energy floating around or any chakras open, I don't...... --------------------  ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (03/30/06 03:59 PM)
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BlueCoyote Beyond   Registered: 05/07/04 Posts: 6,697 Loc: Between Last seen: 5 years, 8 months |
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whew, what happened here ? Pandora's box ?
I am also a bit skeptic on the method used to prove if auras exist with a screen. What if, if the body works like a lightbulb. Aren't there occasions, when you put something in front of the bulb, you even can't see the shine/aura around it ? Like the moon in a humid night. If you put something before the moon, outside of the atmosphere, you won't see the corona, right ? I have no idea of how to prove an aura to exist, only, perhaps with two or three seers, who independently write, what they see about many test-persons. But of course, the aura could be based on complex conscious information patterns about the testee's clothing, body posture, facial expression and much more... And would that be wrong ore useless ? NO ! We first should find a category, where to put aura into, before testing if it exists. I could bring some philosophies about the spiritual side and why 'they' avoid to be tested, but that is another topic BTW:Thanks Jiggy for the wonderful color-description. I see you have worked on that and while I have not really, yours is of great value for me. Thanks
--------------------  And death shall have no dominion
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gettinjiggywithit jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Pyska,
How funny you tell me that statement you quoted of mine would be more clear with more punctuation, when you clearly haven't read through this thread. I think at least three times, I have already said, that I think all of the testees were frauds. That's all it proved. I've spoken at great length of how prevalent fraud is in this world. Oh well, I don't know how you critical skeptics do this with such things 24/7. It's lousy energy to be in and hardly a challenge. Close the mind and heart up enough with Occam's razor and you can make nothing exist anymore. Live small live large, whatever, its your life. I'm going to float back up to where the air is lighter, there's more room and freedom to roam, where I know the technology already exists and I've worked with it and people who heal through the subtle energy body fields for a living. For beleivers in the human energy field and those of you who have started to see them pretty well, or at least develop a sensitivity to feeling them, you will LOVE Barbara Brennan's manual, "Hands of Light, Healing through Human Energy Field." Her illustrations rock and the information in there of all the templates and so much more is extremely insightful, informative and useful for your own self healing energy work. Demand for her skills became so great, she decided to open up an institute in Florida to teach others. She was a NASA physicist. Another NASA Astro Physicist who worked on the Apollo missions and developed tri vector and sub space technology for it developed the frequency resonance technology I worked with that does more then I could elaborate on. Here's how to get her book- http://www.barbarabrennan.com/we Leery, you mentioned thinking all of your chakras are closed. I doubt that, however, this woman has done 20 years of research with frequency resonance and developed some frequency CDs to open, heal and balance the chakras that are mind blowers. She has sets for other things too. I have the Chakra set and some more. www.harmonyera.com Her book on her research is a great read too. I haven't used them in a while, and am probably due for a tune up, but it is amazing to know the feeling of what its like to have them all open and balanced. I wish the whole world had access to them. My third was blocked up bad at the time I got them. I actually experienced so much pain and discomfort when that one was being busted up and released, I had to turn the CD off. Proof enough for me. Took me five plays to get through it. I felt it working during and after. My whole family did too. We all mellowed out when I first got them and played them daily. Her DNA activation CD is a screamer. I could hardly handle that one. It's been years since I played it. I should pop it in again and see what happens. All sorts of cool things happening out there people. Life moves on beyond the closed doors of minds and hearts. It doesn't hurt to open some up and do some exploring of new vistas. None of this is going to bite ya all if you explore and play around with it. I'm alive, well and better then ever as a result.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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gettinjiggywithit jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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You're welcome blue. I enjoy talking about color light and sound wave healing.
I'm ten minutes into the DNA CD and ahahahahahahaha I can barely stand it. My lungs feel like they are going to burst out of my chest and my skull, shit its like nails down a chalk board. My arms and legs are buzzing something intense and feel like they are floating up on me. I wish I could invite you all over to experience these CDs. There are sample plays at her web site. You don't get all of the tones in the samples. They change throughout the CDs though. Crystal Toning bones are big with the Tibetan monks. There is a long history of tonal "frequency resonance healing" going all the way to ancient Egypt and the Hathors. I knew a lady in Kauai who could tone. WOW that was intense to feel the unearthly sounds that came out of her. She did a toning healing scan on my mom, and aimed at her hip for a while , which I thought was odd, and later remembered, my mom came to visit with sciatic pain so bad, she almost didn't come. I asked her later how it was. She looked at me quizzically and said, "It's GONE". It never came back. That woman was a very awakened galactic with some serious skills. My daughter just came flying out of her room going,  and she was laughing. I asked her how she felt and she said, "mellow buzz", major pressure head, and her nerves are now starting to get shaky. She's amped up running and jumping around. It's funny. 20 inutes in now I feel like I am pinned back in a chair going 300 mph with some fun G-force pulls. My cats freaking out now. It's funny. We're about 30 minutes in. The tones are getting higher. Everything is smoothing out for us now, feeling very mellow calm and quiet. I'm floating on a cloud of some serious bliss juice now. This is sweet, I'm getting waves of relaxation flowing through me. My body feels like it is rolling in waves from head to toe. Wild. I'm too relaxed to type anymore.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Diploid Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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The energy "hallucinations" are a result of masses of previously unaware sensory and neural information ... They do not come from nothing, hallucinations cannot come from nothing...?
No, I don't agree. Hallucinations come from your imagination; the same place dreams, art, music, and emotions come from. They are 100% your imagination. They feel intense only because the drugs are tickling the parts of the brain responsible for making things up. They are not real or they would be detectable by someone outside your head. This has even been more or less confirmed by injecting people with radioisotope-tagged glucose, sticking their head in a computed tomography machine, and observing the regions of the brain where the drug is active. -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Diploid Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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Easy. I am having trouble understanding who cares if he can or not and why they would waste their time with such a test
WHY someone wants to conduct the test should have no bearing whatever on HOW the test is conducted. When you go to the grocery store, you don't take a different route depending on whether you're going for eggs or for bread. The WHY you're going to the grocery store has nothing to do with the ROUTE you take to get there. I'm asking you what your route is, and you're demanding to know if it's for eggs or bread before answering me. This is flawed thinking and why our discussion is futile. -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government. Edited by Diploid (03/30/06 06:37 PM)
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Diploid Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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I am also a bit skeptic on the method used to prove if auras exist with a screen.
Here is another example of why mystic-heads make no progress and why science-heads get frustrated. The test is to see IF THE GUY CAN SEE AURAS, not IF AURAS EXIST. I must have made the point a half dozen times so far, yet every other post, a mystic-head makes the same reading comprehension error over and over again. This isn't difficult: the test is to see if the guy can see auras, not to see if auras exist. -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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BlueCoyote Beyond Registered: 05/07/04 Posts: 6,697 Loc: Between Last seen: 5 years, 8 months |
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[...]Hallucinations come from your imagination; the same place dreams, art, music, and emotions come from.[...]
Interestingly, these things do not stem directly from imagination, they are only represented there. We get it from there with our conscious attention, what, of course, can interact back on our imagination again, to get more out of 'something'. If we look closely, even our direct perception of 'reality' is covered (or filled up, brought to perspective and context) by parts of our imagination. For some it is more for some it is less. But someone can assume, that the reality and the imagination mix there somewhere on our screen, in front of our eyes. The informed focus will make the key. Where the 'causes' of these 'imaginations' lie, is still discussed and very various, I think. Ah yes, and it is the same to say, if the man can see something there, or if that something there exists, at least in this case Please spend more concern to the important parts of my posts
-------------------- And death shall have no dominionEdited by BlueCoyote (03/30/06 06:50 PM)
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PhanTomCat Teh Cat....  Registered: 09/07/04 Posts: 5,908 Loc: My Youniverse... Last seen: 17 years, 7 months |
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Soooo let me get this straight, you only get the million dollars if you prove that auras exist....?
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"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...." >^;;^<
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