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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Now not having attained psychic powers I can't vouch for validity, but those who truely have them don't give the first hell of making $1 million dollars

Not even the ones who write book and movie deals and set up psychic hot lines for millions of dollars? Alright...  :confused:


those people are charlatans.

Psychic development has to come with spiirtuality, anything else is magician like tomfoolery.

A spiritual being gives his services for the betterment of mankind...... imagine if everyone could cultivate psychic abilities so they could be rich... there would be tons of people cashing in the million dollars.

What I'm saying is I don't think you can cultivate those powers if you want to use them for greed.

beside why not just win the lottery? Then you get to keep your powers a secret.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Auras....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I was wondering what science tech was used to determine the true color of an aura from a false one. During the testing you mentioned, how did they know the "aura seer" was wrong.

The tests I'm talking about are far more fundamental than identifying what color an aura is. The tests I'm talking about are about whether or not someone can see auras AT ALL, nevermind about the color at this point.

Typical aura seers claim they can see auras all around people including from the top of their head up several feet or some other similar claim that can be tested by putting someone behind a screen.

In the test, 10 screens are set up that are just an inch taller than the person whose aura the seer claims to see.

The person is placed at random IN FRONT OF one of the screens in full view of the seer. The seer then confirms he can see the aura. This is the experimental control which verifies that there is nothing strange in the room preventing auras from being seen, there is no odd weather nearby obscuring the auras, and there are no reptilian conspiracies preventing the seer from winning the million bucks. This control also prevents the seer from subsequently claiming reptilians or bad weather caused him to fail the test.

Once it's thus established that the seer CAN SEE THE AURA WHEN THE PERSON IS IN FRONT OF THE SCREEN, the person is then moved at random BEHIND one of the screens.

The seer, who does not know behind which of the screens the person is, then attempts to identify which is the chosen screen.

It has never been the case that the seer guessed any better than random chance where the person is. :shrug:


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
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those people are charlatans

That's convenient.

No Scotsman is a thief.
But I know a thieving Scotsman.
Aye, he's not a true Scotsman.

So tell me, is every "true psychic" in the world such a flaming asshole that they won't at least win the million bucks if only to donate it to some needy charity?

Or perhaps to benefit mankind with what would certainly be one of the most significant and useful discoveries in the history of science?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
those people are charlatans

That's convenient.

No Scotsman is a thief.
But I know a thieving Scotsman.
Aye, he's not a true Scotsman.

So tell me, is every "true psychic" in the world such a flaming asshole that they won't at least win the million bucks if only to donate it to some needy charity?

Or perhaps to benefit mankind with what would certainly be one of the most significant and useful discoveries in the history of science?


i know it's circular and dogmatic, you have to build circles to start somewhere....... my argument is simply that psychic abilities come from spiritual evolution, which is mutually exclusive to greed.

i am not a source of authority on psychic abilities... I'm a skeptic. But in my framework I do not believe they can be achieved without spiritual motivation. I also think they would be suppressed by "science" much in the way global warming was suppressed via invasion and destruction of a lab recently by the Bush administration, and I also don't think that many if any at all could do anything miraculous if they even did have abilities.

But.... what do I know? I don't know anything. I'm just saying why the hell would you out yoruself to such a hostile world by performing random miracles to the authority figures of your nation? The money would be much better won anonmously through lottery and donated to charity.

anwyway though, my tai chi instructor was in a wheel chair until he started practicing and now has no pain. As said the Chinese have already explored much of energy phenomenon and have systems set up for which the mystical to naturally flow.

Haven't you seen videos of Buddhists meditating in freezing weather where wet towels were put on them and they start steaming? I have unless I'm imagining things.

i have experienced intense inner heat though through the solar plexus chakra, so intense I find it scary.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 05:12 PM)

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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
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my argument is simply that psychic abilities come from spiritual evolution, which is mutually exclusive to greed

All the more reason for a "true psychic" to win the prize (and the dozens others around the world) and donate the money to a worthy cause. Why would such noble people sit on their powers rather than use them to benefit mankind? Makes no sense.

I don't know anything. I'm just saying why the hell would you out yoruself to such a hostile world by performing random miracles

Because such miracles could very well change the world for the better. History is full of accounts of selfless acts by ordinary people putting themselves in harm's way while trying to help others. Are all "true psychics" so selfish that not a one has ever sacrificed their privacy for the benefit of the world?

anwyway though, my tai chi instructor

I don't see the relevance. Superior PHYSICAL abilities say nothing about the existence of PARANORMAL abilities. There are many accounts of extraordinary athletes, but they were all natural, not supernatural.

i have experienced intense inner heat though through the solar plexus chakra

Maybe so, but given the amazing ability of humans for self-deception, how can you know that wasn't all in your head, especially since that heat cannot be measured by any objective test?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
All the more reason for a "true psychic" to win the prize (and the dozens others around the world) and donate the money to a worthy cause. Why would such noble people sit on their powers rather than use them to benefit mankind? Makes no sense.


Perhaps so. I understand your reasoning. I'm sure they are using their powers if they exist. There is a young Buddha right now that has supposedly been meditating for several years.
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Because such miracles could very well change the world for the better. History is full of accounts of selfless acts by ordinary people putting themselves in harm's way while trying to help others. Are all "true psychics" so selfish that not a one has ever sacrificed their privacy for the benefit of the world?


it's not about privacy its about persecution. And miracles has little to do with aura reading, telekenesis, simply "paranormal" or "psychic abilities" that randi is looking for anyway.... does it? If someone could walk on water and raise the dead they're probably doing it right now with no care for publicity, rather are just running around helping people. Why not also stay anonymous and do your work without people realizing that it's even really being done..... preventing disasters here and there, saving lives here and there, directing healing energy to others......

If Jesus came back I don't think he would go to a foundation to prove his legitimacy, I think he'd be out and doing things myself.
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I don't see the relevance. Superior PHYSICAL abilities say nothing about the existence of PARANORMAL abilities. There are many accounts of extraordinary athletes, but they were all natural, not supernatural.


so you consider chi to be physical? That's what tai chi is, utilization of chi. It would indeed be nice if chi were scientifically proven and measured, and I'm sure it will be some day.

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Maybe so, but given the amazing ability of humans for self-deception, how can you know that wasn't all in your head, especially since that heat cannot be measured by any objective test?


Why do you care? It IS all in your head. That is the entire point. The fact that systems like tai chi and qigong and yoga are excellent healing mediums that allow advanced and even basic practitioners to feel their own internal energies and are very very healthy and good at healing is well demonstrated. Maybe the chi is just the result of the mind noticing itself? Maybe it's a phantom quality not measurable and maybe it is all in your head as a result from gaining oneness with body and mind.

if you don't want to believe you wont. and if you do you will.... and either way arguments will ensue until science can finally prove the existence of such things.... until then....... it's anecdotal evidence, combined with empirical evidence of the physical aspects of such things.

tai chi can be shown empirically to be healhty....... as can yoga. but prana and chi may not necessarily be measurable. that's where faith comes in.

whether you say it's imaginary or not, it's the same thing. real vs unreal. if you feel it and it heals you, and you use it to help others... does it really matter? Does it really matter if its meditation vs medication? Exercise vs mental focus. Physical vs mental? The mind under suggestion can heal on its own..... it's called placebo and is very well documented.

Simple praying can heal. Does that make praying unreal? No. Does it make real? Yes, but only to those whom it works for personally.

If a man uses dreams to explore his body and work out physical problems and becomes healthier.... are you going to say "no that's not possible?" it is NOT something we can measure... it is not something we even know how to measure, but we do know that hynposis and suggestibility and faith and placebo are all vehicles to the paranormal.

it requires faith right now. if chi is physically measurable, or we are able to measure the metaphysical, then these issues will be resolved.

i don't know why or why not the randi foundation hasn't established anything, but I do know that healing energies exist, if nothing more than in the imagination, and can be utilized for productivity, even if are nothing more than a hyper-focused mind.

When the mind gains unity with the body the mind can influence the body. It's like learning to walk. But instead of learning to walk you are learning to regulate your heartbeat and interacting with subtler levels of your body through your mind. various practices are based specifically on attaining this union, as once reached you can symbollically fix yourself with your own attention.

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three advanced practitioners of Tibetan Buddhist meditation practices demonstrated the ability to increase "inner heat" as much as 61%.


http://health.enotes.com/medicine-encyclopedia/meditation


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 05:47 PM)

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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Well, I must say that it is at least a good test for exposing greedy frauds is right.

Anyone with legitimate skills would clearly understand the flaw in the test and wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.

Energy is everywhere and some disembodied spirits can pack a wallop stronger to sense then that of a weak human.

Besides, anyone with integrity will help you to do for yourself instead of setting up a Dependant relationship where you need them to do for you what you can do for yourself. People who are to lazy to take their general well being or in sighting into their own hands are also a part of a larger problem here diploid.

The systems of schools, governments, science medicine, religions, military, authoritative parenting, have all sent the message out to people that you are WEAK, DUMB, USELESS, Can't help or do for yourself without us and must live Dependant on the services of those better abled then you.

So people are raised in this disgusting system of hierarchies, power, and control and turn to others for help, to do for them what they can do for themselves, and who is to blame when frauds take peoples money?

The systems. You can keep discrediting frauds and they will keep coming and so will the consumers of them until you discredit the systems that support fraud to happen in the first place.

Humans are raised to not trust themselves and to believe in and lean on outside sources of "authority".

Hammer away at that system buddy! :thumbup:

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Anyone with legitimate skills would clearly understand the flaw in the test and wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.

Where's the flaw? The test tests whether or not they can do what they claim they can do. It's simple.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
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There is a young Buddha right now that has supposedly been meditating for several years.

Sounds selfish. That does not help mankind in any way.

If Jesus came back I don't think he would go to a foundation to prove his legitimacy, I think he'd be out and doing things myself

But by his public actions, if they were real and not tricks, he would quickly become known world wide. If there were real psychics in the world helping people, the same would happen to them.

it's not about privacy its about persecution

My point stands. Rosa Parks, Gandhi, Christ, and countless others throughout history have willingly endured persecution for the benefit of their brothers and sisters. Why not one single psychic?

Why not also stay anonymous and do your work without people realizing that it's even really being done

Because someone who could actively and at-will perform irrefutable miracles would shake this planet to its core. That person would likely be seen as a genuine representative of God by Muslims, Jews, Christians, and [fill in the blank], and serve as a formidable uniting force in a world desperately in need of it.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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I explained the flaw and you totally ignored it. 

Why did you choose to focus on that comment instead of where I underlined the real cause of the problem you hate. Do you have anything to say on that because if not, you aren't doing the good you think you are, but rather, sometimes, support the underlying problem and then blame those who take advantage of a system you ignore being in play.

Whats your message dip, that we are to turn our trust, belief and power over to science and science frauds?

I gotta run to Tae Kwon Do class now. I'll have more to say latter.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Whats your message dip, that we are to turn our trust, belief and power over to science and science frauds?

My message is that we should turn our trust to critical thought and rationality. That means not believing in something that people talk about but are unable to show you.

If I try to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, wouldn't you want to see the deed first?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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I think it's good and well to be dubious of much of the new age crowd but for those who have reason to believe in energy and therefore auras from personal experience, why not? I wouldn't ever trust an "aura-reader" or a "psychic" if they set up a hotline or pay service... I would trust acu-puncture or any dedciated practitioner of an energy cultivation tradition that had advice to give me on my energy development. and I would probably go in for reiki if I knew a practiioner, because I could clearly feel what they were doing to me as I can clearly feel what's going on inside of me.... I'd know if they didn't know what they were doing.......

The thing is most respectable teachers won't say "ahhhh you have a bad chi blockage, give me $20 and i will fix it for you" they just teach you what they know so you can have as much knowledge as they do, and do with it what you will.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 06:44 PM)

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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
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Well that's the thing...I've always been able to see the envelope once in awhile without trying...I always kinda dismissed it...but just lately i've been actually concentrating....i've been seeing intense wonderful colours....extending past the envelope...

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Cosmic_Dragon]
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Cosmic_Dragon said:
Well that's the thing...I've always been able to see the envelope once in awhile without trying...I always kinda dismissed it...but just lately i've been actually concentrating....i've been seeing intense wonderful colours....extending past the envelope...


very good. this is a sign of progress. soon you wont even have to try to see colors or past the envelope with concentration, because it will happen automatically. i do it in class all the time with my professors. sometimes i will tune out what they are saying and just watch their aura for a bit. sometimes though it does get distracting because you see it without wanting to see it and you're like wow and a whole chain of distracting thought can stem from that. keep up the good work.  :heart:


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Edited by ShroomDoom (03/29/06 07:05 PM)

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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
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for those who have reason to believe in energy and therefore auras from personal experience, why not?

Because they are deceiving themselves. This is evidenced by their ability to see auras where wishful thinking is the likely cause and their inability to see anything at all in simple controlled tests like the ones I described above where only a real ability, not an imagined one, would pass.

Believing that imagined things are real is harmful. Look at the state of the world today. Most of our problems stem from irrational religious beliefs in non-extent things. It's beliefs in non-existent things that leads suicide bombers to blow themselves up in crowds, and countries to go to war, and groups of people to commit genocide against other groups of people.

If the people of the world, and the Middle East particularly, could see past their superstitions and embraced critical attitudes toward belief in things that do not exist, it would go a long way toward making this a better world.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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yes believing that a bio-electric field surrounds humans is harmful and looking at this believed field is harmful too. heck even thinking that you can see it is very bad. why millions are mislead into this each year...
its SOOO DETRIMENTAL!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH :crazy2:
what is society coming to?!


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
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i do it in class all the time

As is usual with mystics, all talk and no action even with a million dollars on the table and nothing to lose.  :thumbdown:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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yes i do look at a professors aura in class all the time but not with him standing BEHIND A SCREEN :rolleyes:. clearly i cant give you much more than words because, you see, this is a MESSAGE BOARD. i think your challenge is rediculous and an ill spent million dollars which could be helping a lot of people right now. no one is ever going to pass it, and people that can really percieve beyond ordinary reality laugh at such rediculous attempts to bring spiritual things to rationality. im not a mystic just a meditator. a spiritual aspirant. kiss my ass buddy you dont know me. :stoned:


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
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jackass

Ad hominems are the recourse of those with poor arguments. You can't refute my position and so, in frustration, you attack me instead.  :syringe:

clearly i cant give you much more than words because, you see, this is a MESSAGE BOARD.

I've given you a way to put action to your words and win a million dollars along the way. Did you miss that part a few posts back?

i think your challenge is rediculous and an ill spent million dollar

Ill spent by searching for the truth?

which could be helping a lot of people right now

Hypocrite! If you can do what you claim, then you could win the million dollars tomorrow, and spend it helping anyone you want.

Why don't you? I'll tell you why. Because like many before you who claim psychic abilities, you are a fraud. :shake:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (03/30/06 01:04 AM)

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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
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Hypocrite! If you can do what you claim, then you could win the million dollars tomorrow, and spend it helping anyone you want.



WHERE DID I CLAIM TO BE ABLE TO SEE AURAS THROUGH SOLID MATTER HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?


i used jackass because i had to reiterate the fact several times that I CANT SEE AURAS THROUGH SOLID MATTER.i hate repeating myself, especially to people like you. sorry if i seemed to be on the "attack". and there you see, i had to do it again which is really starting to piss me off, jackass. :sad:
 

oh yes im a fraud youve found me out,
better pack this up and take my aura cleaning kits for the price of 19.95 +snh to the next town..whew. darn. :mad2: :crazy2:


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