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Planet PHL
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HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP
#5337159 - 02/25/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi.
I have several peyotes that i grafter on pereskiopsis a few years ago. The problem is the periskiopsis have died so I want/need to un-graft them now so they can continue to grow on their own soil.
The peyotes are a bit over 2" each, standing on thin pereskiopsis sticks. I hope someone can give me some pointers on how to make them get their own roots again before rotting away.
-phl
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Planet PHL]
#5337516 - 02/25/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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cut on the joint, let the buttons rest and callous well before putting on soil for rooting. good luck with your babies!
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: felixhigh]
#5338008 - 02/25/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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is the perskiopsis dead or did it just loose its leaves. It will continue growing on the perskiopsis like that, just a tad bit slower.
If I were to ungraft a button i would cut it and leave one inch of the perskiopsis intact so it would root and still help the peyote grow, but the bottom of hte peyote would also be in the ground so it would throw out roots aswell..
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Legoulash]
#5338116 - 02/25/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You managed to kill some pereskiopsis?
Are you sure?
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Planet PHL
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5340113 - 02/26/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah im sure, the pereskiopsis are dead. they dont take up water anymore and one just bended over. They also stopped being green. Probably caused by extended lack of watering them in time. The peyotes still look fine.
felixhigh; how long should it approximately take before i put it back on soil? And then, how moist should the soil be? Should i just put it on top or kindof bury it in a bit?
Thanks -phl
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Planet PHL]
#5340213 - 02/26/06 06:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wait till wound fully callous. You may leave it from 5 to 20 days, or if needed it's ok to let them rest for a few months as they are fairly big (5cm diameter) and wonnt die of dehydration easily. After that, you just put them on top of the soil or dig them in just a little. You should put a layer of rocks to keep the moisture in the ground and keep peyote in fixed position while it forms roots.
Edited by cvele (02/26/06 06:27 AM)
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: cvele]
#5340227 - 02/26/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just one tip for resting large peyotes, the air must be very dry or they will rot easily so it's even good to keep a space heater on very low over them. Don't forget about it and burn your home down. The kinds that click off frequently are best.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Planet PHL]
#5340292 - 02/26/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Should i cut into the actual peyote to force callousing, cause if i just cut off the periskiopsis there will be no real wound to callous. So will it still root without a calloussed wound or should i make a wound explicitly? The buttons have grown pretty much around the periskiopsis stem which disappear into the buttons, ill try to make a picture.
Edited by Planet PHL (02/26/06 08:01 AM)
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Planet PHL]
#5341122 - 02/26/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It'll still root with the tiny nub of pereskiopsis on there. If it weren't totally dead, the pereskiopsis would send out a few roots and make the whole transition of the loph getting roots a bit easier in the mean time.
Doesn't seem to be the case though.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Planet PHL]
#5341261 - 02/26/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Planet PHL said: Should i cut into the actual peyote to force callousing, cause if i just cut off the periskiopsis there will be no real wound to callous. So will it still root without a calloussed wound or should i make a wound explicitly? The buttons have grown pretty much around the periskiopsis stem which disappear into the buttons, ill try to make a picture.
There doesn't need to be a callous for roots to form, cacti can send out roots right through healthy skin. The less you wound them, the less time and energy they have to devote to healing themselves.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Konnrade]
#5342238 - 02/26/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well as I can see, pereskes are not rotting, they just dried. So you donnt explicitly need to cut the buttons but maybe it would be smart thing to cut lophos just in case. Dead peresk stems connected to payotes may cause rot when you start to water if I am not wrong? As for the clustered buttons you carfully detach every separate button and you will have more buttons and minimal wounds.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: cvele]
#5343856 - 02/27/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Instead of rooting all of them you could graft some of them to longer lasting stocks like San Pedro and Myrtillocactus, and root the others in soil.That way your Lophs could grow even larger . Very nice Lophs you have there! I can't wait to start doing some pereskiopsis grafting myself.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: JB201]
#5345957 - 02/27/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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JB201 said: Instead of rooting all of them you could graft some of them to longer lasting stocks like San Pedro and Myrtillocactus
I absolutely agree with this, but ofcourse, you must have some stock cacti ready for the grafting in the time of degrafting from pereskiposis.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: cvele]
#5346064 - 02/27/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep, make sure it's actively growing too.
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Re: HELP - need to un-graft peyotes from dead pereskiopsis, help needed ASAP [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5346422 - 02/27/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What restrictions would you have to observe if you had a grafted peyote on a San Pedro outside?
What shade requirements? What minimum temp requirements?
stuff like that.
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