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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: Una]
    #1686194 - 07/04/03 12:03 PM (19 years, 2 hours ago)

Una, how do you secure such tiny buttons to the graft stock? I've recently tried grafting with the tiniest buttons i've ever tried but cannot seem to find a way to secure it to the recipient cactus. So far i've left it just sit on top of it undisturbed and hope that it takes. Can't use rubber bands, and i can't even get pantyhose to work hold it in place, it just seems too damn small.


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: neuro]
    #1686454 - 07/04/03 03:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

super glue, neuro!


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: felixhigh]
    #1687177 - 07/05/03 01:19 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

no really.. besides the super glue. I didn't think Una used super glue!


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: neuro]
    #1687313 - 07/05/03 02:48 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

im sorry but super glue????  i did not do a search so sorry on that but how would superglue work please explain .... anybody :smile:


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: jimcon202000]
    #1687515 - 07/05/03 06:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

For small scions no attachment is necessary although i prefer to use one.

First of all when you cut the seedling do no cut it too low, which results in a long scion. A flatter scion works better.

Prepare the stock (cut off top, bevel edges) and cut off a slice and leave this on.

Prepare the seedling by cleaning (alcohol) and cut it with a razor or very, very sharp scalpel. The top of the seedling will stick to the blade.

Remove the extra slice from the stock and with tweezers (or another scalpel) slide the seedling of the blade onto the stock. Make sure it makes contact with the ring of vascular tissue. Press it lightly with the flat of the blade to ensure there are no air bubbles in between.

Now, you can leave it like this (and it will most likely attach just fine) but what i do is: i take a piece of PVC insulation tape and put a piece of rubber foam in the middle on the sticky side).

Being very careful not to move the seedling, the tape is pulled over the seedling and is gently strechted (just a little) to put a little pressue on the seedlig and then the tape is secured to the pot.

Grafted cacti are covered with a ziplock bag for two days (in a shaded place) to prevent dehydration. After two days the tape is removed and the plants are gradually hardened off.

Seedlings will show signs of growth after 1-2 weeks.

The whole superglue things sounds rather messy and cumbersome compared to using PVC tape. I can image ending up with a peyote seedling glued to my finger :laugh: 


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: Una]
    #1692191 - 07/07/03 06:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)



Same seedlings grafted 3 weeks ago, now it's growing :laugh: 


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: Una]
    #1694707 - 07/08/03 12:06 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I secured my recent graft with a small strip of panty hose pushing it into good contact, taped on opposite sides of the pot.


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: neuro]
    #1696781 - 07/08/03 05:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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im sorry but super glue???? i did not do a search so sorry on that but how would superglue work please explain .... anybody





Well I got the idea from trouts notes and I rememer reading something about super glues was used during wartime to fuse thoes wounds up.
I just use enough around the edges of the cacti to secure it, so far both cacti are still alive and well.


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: EvilGir]
    #1696827 - 07/08/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

does the superglue dissolve after a while or is it always there?


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: neuro]
    #1699683 - 07/09/03 03:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Quick question,

Can any cacti be used to graft the peyote onto? If so, what are the quickest growing cacti?

Thanks :smile: 


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: flubbilynumpkins]
    #1700195 - 07/09/03 06:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

here is a link from one of the many pages that Una has listed.


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: neuro]
    #1700465 - 07/09/03 07:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well I did a bit more readin and on page 11 of trouts notes i did find this :

" A useful trick employed with great sucess when grafting columnar cacti onto other columnar cacti is to make the graft as normal and apply a thin ring of super glue or simular cyanoacrylate adhesive around the periphery of the graft while maintaining constant pressure to ensure that none can get between scion and stock. Maintain constant pressure until the glue has gone white and is no longer liquid. If it can get between the plant surfaces the graft may be defeated."

But my guess is that the cacti will just eventual grow over the bonding agent.


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: EvilGir]
    #1700528 - 07/09/03 08:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hah, yesterday i tried the glue method!
looks nice so far! except that it looks little a like a calvin's plastic airmodel (calvin and hobbes)...


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: EvilGir]
    #1700924 - 07/09/03 11:18 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well i figured it wasn't between the scion and the stalk.


>>But my guess is that the cacti will just eventual grow over the bonding agent.


That was also my assumption. Just wondering if you knew for sure




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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: Una]
    #1705223 - 07/11/03 09:14 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

another pic, it has already developed real spines :laugh:

 


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: Una]
    #1705546 - 07/11/03 12:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

cool!


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: Una]
    #1707244 - 07/11/03 11:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Double Pickle Graft Tek - Pro Style

BY: Nanook

This first step in the double pickle graft tek is cleaning up a work area and selecting your graft specimens. I worked on a sanitized glass top table. Then I began setting up instruments and accessories.



Let's start on the left side and go around the picture clockwise.

1) 3 Large File Folder Rubberbands

2) Sparkling Clean Glass with distilled water and Iodine (sanitizer solution) to make a weak ice tea color. In the glass is a sterile cotton gauze pad for wiping the blade between cuts. Resting in the iodine sanitizer solution is also a sparkling clean stainless steel pairing knife with a smooth razor sharp edge. This knife is used to make cuts in buttons.

3) A second glass of sanitizer solution with gauze wipe and knife for making cuts on the Pedro. A larger, razor sharp smooth blade, like a chefs carving knife is perfect.

4) Tincture of iodine used to mix up the sanitizer.

5) Bottled distilled water for mixing up sanitizer.

6) Sterile gauze pads for placing buttons to dry, wiping knives, clean up.

7) A soup bowl with sanitizer solution to which I added a drop of liquid dishwashing detergent. This bowl is used to dip the peyote button prior to placing on the gauze pad to dry.

8) Sanitized peyote button waiting for the 5 minute sanitization contact time.

9) Bottom of the shot... A san pedro to be used for root stock. The entire top 4 inches should be washed with sanitizer + drop of dish soap (prevents sanitizer from beading up on the waxy cactus skin and results in a much better sanitization).

Once the specimens are selected, you wash them in sanitizer, let them sit 5 minutes and allow the sanitizer to work.




Once the sanitizer has had a chance to be effective, you can begin to trim the top of the pedro to accept a button graft.


^^^ A small tip cut was taken, only a couple inches high, but large enough to root with favorable conditions. Then the top two areoles (clumps of spines and fur) are carefully removed with the knife. Note the depth of the cut is shallow. Also note the cutting technique: start at the heel of the blade, make a cut, turn the cactus, move the blade up a bit, make another cut. All the spines can then be removed without having to wipe the blade and you are using a clean santized surface for each cut. Good grafting tip




^^^ Once the top two areoles are removed: dip, swish, and wipe your blade, then make a second set of cuts, removing strips of skin from between the ridges, cut down only halfway as far as you cut in order to remove 2 areoles. In other words, if removing two areoles removed a strip 2 inches long, only remove a strip of skin here 1 inch long.






^^^ The pickle slice. I placed a clean finger dead center of the cut tip to hold the slice in place. Then the blade of the sanitized knife was placed one dill pickle thickness below the top, and the knife was passed through in one clean cut. My finger held the slice in place, the blade passed through, I removed my finger. A sterile cut has been made, and kept sealed with the pickle slice. The root stock can now be set aside while a thinner pickle cut is made on the sanitized button with a sanitized knife.






^^^ See that little brown spot on the skin of the button? Even with a good sanitizer dip, try to avoid grafting right on bad spots. Make the pickle slice on the button above or below the damage for the best results. I made the pickle cut well below the bad spot. I took a sliver off the very bottom.



THE MOVE!!! ^^^ Line to two cacti up, place the two pickle slices against each other, grasp them with your finger tips, and pull them out, placing the button down on the pith ring of the root stock. This produces a sterile union where no air, contams, bacteria are in the graft site.




Place evenly located rubber bands over the button graft.










Once the graft is bound up, place it upright in bright indirect light and allow to heal 5-7 days. Then remove the rubber bands and root.
 







All images and tek by NANOOK :heart: 


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: FungusmaximusFM]
    #1707390 - 07/12/03 12:49 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i like that monster in the last pic. Nan's Nook is great. :grin:


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: canid]
    #1707528 - 07/12/03 01:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

jesus christ!
do you leave them outdoors after they heal FM?!?!?
i'd love to have some like those in the soil...
BTW how old are the grafts on the last couple pics???


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Re: Cacti Grafting [Re: FungusmaximusFM]
    #1710370 - 07/13/03 01:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

those are some nice pics...


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