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images of grafted peyote seedlings
    #957432 - 10/13/02 06:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Seedlings the size of a pea were grafted three months ago to san pedro rootstock (seedlings).









Here's an old pic of the peyote buttons that were used.




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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #957545 - 10/13/02 07:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

So how much faster do the grafted buttons root compared to the rooted ones? Can you post a tech for grafting?


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #958021 - 10/13/02 10:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

they arent all that potent are they? they need to be older to get the proper alkaloid contents right? please correct me if im wrong


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: mile69]
    #958228 - 10/13/02 11:35 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yes, they do need to get older to maximize alkaloids...nevertheless, very nice job on the grafting una, ive always wanted to make a peyote/pedro!


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #958778 - 10/14/02 02:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

veeeeery beautiful!!!
have you ever considered wedge grafting???


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: CaliChronic]
    #959333 - 10/14/02 11:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

oh man im defenately not knocking the grafting job....thats awesome, a i think ill defenately be doing that in the near future. i was just wondering about potency and such.

could anyone out there point me in the dirrection for a site that talks about grafting small peyotes? ill assume that its pretty much the same as larger cactus, but it would be nice to have some reading material on the smaller peyotes.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: mile69]
    #959529 - 10/14/02 01:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

grafting will speed up growth of the scion specimen up to 5 times, so in 5yrs you should obtain sufficient alkaloid content (5yrs grafted=25yrs not grafted. this is by no means a scientifically derived parameter, but its fairly accurate for practical purposes. una could report to us his findings). try erowid for grafting teks or general manuals on cacti cultivation


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #960132 - 10/14/02 05:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

As anyone triped off of peyote grafted on to other cacti??

I read somewhere that in order for peyote to produce alkaloids it needs roots. With out the roots no magic is produced. Is this true??


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: cxz]
    #960181 - 10/14/02 06:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

no


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: comario2]
    #961895 - 10/15/02 03:11 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Comario: So if i graft a 20year old specimen[scion] it will speed up growth X5[up to.] for that specimen?[lophophora.] That would be..hmm..intressting.
And if i would save the roots on that old one...
to produce new buttons...that would be an intressting thing to do.[if i find another 20year old specimen.]

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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #962489 - 10/15/02 09:35 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt if Trichocereus and Lophophora produce any active alkaloids at all under Northern European conditions. Anyways they are beautiful plants :smile:

Grafting is not that difficult, but there are a few thing to keep in mind:

Both the scion and the stock were actively growing. They were watered the week before the procedure to get them all pumped up.
The seedlings were uprooted and small roots and dirt were removed. The seedling was then cleaned under running tap water.
With a desinfected scalpel the top of the stock is cut off but left on. The seedling is cut in half and the top of the stock is removed. The seedling is placed on top just a tad of the middle. The cambium rings (ring of actively dividing tissue) should overlap.
The seedling is secured with a piece of nylon stocking that is pulled over it and secured to the spines of the rootstock.
The cacti were put in a warm place, not in direct sunlight. Already after a week they should be attached and new growth can be observed after 2-3 weeks.

Growth is fenomenal compared to growth on their own roots. The larger the rootstock the faster the growth since the rootstock supplies most of the energy needed for growth.

Here's an image of a pedro/peyote that i did last year. It's already sprouting 4 new buds with a diameter of at least 1 cm!




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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #962633 - 10/15/02 12:10 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Inspired virtuoso  :grin: 


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #962965 - 10/15/02 02:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

How old were the buttons you grafted?

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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Froggy]
    #965243 - 10/16/02 05:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

one year old seedlings.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #967385 - 10/16/02 11:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

im not  suggesting you wouldnt know what youre talking about because im really no expert or even remotly knowlageable on cacti identification....
but those dont look the same as t pachanoi im accustomed to seeing. :smile:


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #967464 - 10/16/02 11:51 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't you cut the button off at soil level and leave the root system in tact? That way, you could grow 2 peyotes for the price of one. Do peyote need to be a certain age or size before you can do that?


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: superpimp]
    #967476 - 10/16/02 11:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

thats a good question.....ive been wondering that myslef. una, anyone, any answeres?

i mean it makes sense unless the small root system couldnt stand the shock or something

cant wait for this answer


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Mitchnast]
    #967490 - 10/17/02 12:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: mile69]
    #967617 - 10/17/02 01:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I do not believe that a small peyote seedling's root system could survive the shock of having being cut, but to even cut the button from the root, one would have to uproot the whole thing, then putting it back in the soil once cut allowing it to get sufficient contams all over it from you touching it or it being exosed to wherever you're cutting, would be enough to shock and/or rot the root system.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #967874 - 10/17/02 02:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, thats fucking awsome.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Mitchnast]
    #967927 - 10/17/02 03:03 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

young san pedro's have longer spines than mature ones. That's why you probably don't recognise them.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: neuro]
    #969449 - 10/17/02 04:29 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

wait a second. you're right, you can't do it withsuch young specimens. but you could do it if you grafted a much older specimen, say a 5 yr old


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: comario2]
    #969525 - 10/17/02 04:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

true....it gets even stranger since you can graft the roots upside down to another rootstock. I have one of those as well, but it's at my girlfriends house so i can't post a pic now.
The roots (and a little bit of green flesh) will sprout new pups.

Lophophora are extremely hardy. Probably you could replant the roots of such small cacti. Problem is that they will probably start to rot.
Failed grafts, were the scion doesn't connect with the cambium results in the peyote button sending out roots. You could cut it of and plant it again.

The larger the scion the harder it will be to get a good graft, sinc air bubbles are very bad. Smaller buttons are easier to graft and to attach.




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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #969930 - 10/17/02 06:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

una, no rush, but i'd really love to see one of the upsidedown grafts, if you have a chance please post a pic later


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: comario2]
    #976670 - 10/20/02 11:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

here you go.

Rootsystem of a peyote grafted last year, sprouted 3 new pups. You can still see the taproot in between the pups.
Rootstock is Myrtyllocactus.








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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #978408 - 10/21/02 12:58 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

wow, that's nice.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #978626 - 10/21/02 03:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

I doubt if Trichocereus and Lophophora produce any active alkaloids at all under Northern European conditions. Anyways they are beautiful plants




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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: MeneerCactus]
    #979372 - 10/21/02 10:31 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yup. eric, i agree with you. murple also just confirmed to me that trichos will produce mescaline under any growing conditions. he wasn't sure about the lophos. i,d like th hear more on this


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #979375 - 10/21/02 10:33 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

una, thanks for these last pics, they are great. i will have to give it a shot one of these days :laugh: 


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #979968 - 10/21/02 03:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever tried grafting buttons onto Blue Myrtle cacti? How does the growth rate compare to Pedro? I've read that Myrtle's take a graft better than Pedro's.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: superpimp]
    #979976 - 10/21/02 03:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Also, when you start the graft, do you hold the button down onto the Pedro with rubber bands or anything? Or do you just let the button sit on top of the plant and graft without anything holding it down?


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: superpimp]
    #980037 - 10/21/02 04:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you ever tried grafting buttons onto Blue Myrtle cacti?




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Rootstock is Myrtyllocactus






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Also, when you start the graft, do you hold the button down onto the Pedro with rubber bands or anything? Or do you just let the button sit on top of the plant and graft without anything holding it down?





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The seedling is secured with a piece of nylon stocking that is pulled over it and secured to the spines of the rootstock.





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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #1488342 - 04/24/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Great post Una!!!
I've never heard about that rootgrafting before!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You wrote about leaving some green tissue on the root... I have one in a pot (cut a couple of months ago) but the green tissue already dried out, do you think it's worth cutting the dry part and try? And what about grafting a slice of an older one? Thinking about 2cm diameter and 0,5cm thick..


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Agarico]
    #1489040 - 04/24/03 12:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

heh you sure dragged up an old thread. Una hasn't been around since February, so don't hold your breathe for a reply.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: neuro]
    #1489591 - 04/24/03 03:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I read the date of last post before answering, after all I don't think a couple of months will make big difference, cacti are patient :grin:
I planned to wait a couple of weeks an than kindly pm him about this... thread is old but endless :wink:

 


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