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InvisibleUna
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images of grafted peyote seedlings
    #957432 - 10/13/02 06:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Seedlings the size of a pea were grafted three months ago to san pedro rootstock (seedlings).









Here's an old pic of the peyote buttons that were used.




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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #957545 - 10/13/02 07:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

So how much faster do the grafted buttons root compared to the rooted ones? Can you post a tech for grafting?


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #958021 - 10/13/02 10:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

they arent all that potent are they? they need to be older to get the proper alkaloid contents right? please correct me if im wrong


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: mile69]
    #958228 - 10/13/02 11:35 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yes, they do need to get older to maximize alkaloids...nevertheless, very nice job on the grafting una, ive always wanted to make a peyote/pedro!


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #958778 - 10/14/02 02:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

veeeeery beautiful!!!
have you ever considered wedge grafting???


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: CaliChronic]
    #959333 - 10/14/02 11:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

oh man im defenately not knocking the grafting job....thats awesome, a i think ill defenately be doing that in the near future. i was just wondering about potency and such.

could anyone out there point me in the dirrection for a site that talks about grafting small peyotes? ill assume that its pretty much the same as larger cactus, but it would be nice to have some reading material on the smaller peyotes.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: mile69]
    #959529 - 10/14/02 01:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

grafting will speed up growth of the scion specimen up to 5 times, so in 5yrs you should obtain sufficient alkaloid content (5yrs grafted=25yrs not grafted. this is by no means a scientifically derived parameter, but its fairly accurate for practical purposes. una could report to us his findings). try erowid for grafting teks or general manuals on cacti cultivation


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #960132 - 10/14/02 05:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

As anyone triped off of peyote grafted on to other cacti??

I read somewhere that in order for peyote to produce alkaloids it needs roots. With out the roots no magic is produced. Is this true??


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: cxz]
    #960181 - 10/14/02 06:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

no


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: comario2]
    #961895 - 10/15/02 03:11 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Comario: So if i graft a 20year old specimen[scion] it will speed up growth X5[up to.] for that specimen?[lophophora.] That would be..hmm..intressting.
And if i would save the roots on that old one...
to produce new buttons...that would be an intressting thing to do.[if i find another 20year old specimen.]

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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #962489 - 10/15/02 09:35 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt if Trichocereus and Lophophora produce any active alkaloids at all under Northern European conditions. Anyways they are beautiful plants :smile:

Grafting is not that difficult, but there are a few thing to keep in mind:

Both the scion and the stock were actively growing. They were watered the week before the procedure to get them all pumped up.
The seedlings were uprooted and small roots and dirt were removed. The seedling was then cleaned under running tap water.
With a desinfected scalpel the top of the stock is cut off but left on. The seedling is cut in half and the top of the stock is removed. The seedling is placed on top just a tad of the middle. The cambium rings (ring of actively dividing tissue) should overlap.
The seedling is secured with a piece of nylon stocking that is pulled over it and secured to the spines of the rootstock.
The cacti were put in a warm place, not in direct sunlight. Already after a week they should be attached and new growth can be observed after 2-3 weeks.

Growth is fenomenal compared to growth on their own roots. The larger the rootstock the faster the growth since the rootstock supplies most of the energy needed for growth.

Here's an image of a pedro/peyote that i did last year. It's already sprouting 4 new buds with a diameter of at least 1 cm!




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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #962633 - 10/15/02 12:10 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Inspired virtuoso  :grin: 


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: SalviaEngland]
    #962965 - 10/15/02 02:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

How old were the buttons you grafted?

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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Froggy]
    #965243 - 10/16/02 05:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

one year old seedlings.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #967385 - 10/16/02 11:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

im not  suggesting you wouldnt know what youre talking about because im really no expert or even remotly knowlageable on cacti identification....
but those dont look the same as t pachanoi im accustomed to seeing. :smile:


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #967464 - 10/16/02 11:51 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't you cut the button off at soil level and leave the root system in tact? That way, you could grow 2 peyotes for the price of one. Do peyote need to be a certain age or size before you can do that?


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: superpimp]
    #967476 - 10/16/02 11:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

thats a good question.....ive been wondering that myslef. una, anyone, any answeres?

i mean it makes sense unless the small root system couldnt stand the shock or something

cant wait for this answer


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Mitchnast]
    #967490 - 10/17/02 12:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: mile69]
    #967617 - 10/17/02 01:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I do not believe that a small peyote seedling's root system could survive the shock of having being cut, but to even cut the button from the root, one would have to uproot the whole thing, then putting it back in the soil once cut allowing it to get sufficient contams all over it from you touching it or it being exosed to wherever you're cutting, would be enough to shock and/or rot the root system.


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Re: images of grafted peyote seedlings [Re: Una]
    #967874 - 10/17/02 02:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, thats fucking awsome.


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