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South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill
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"South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill
Bill meant as a challenge to Roe v. Wade

Thursday, February 23, 2006; Posted: 1:25 a.m. EST (06:25 GMT)

PIERRE, South Dakota (AP) -- Legislation meant to prompt a national legal battle targeting Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, was approved Wednesday by the South Dakota Senate, moving the bill a step closer to final passage.

The measure, which would ban nearly all abortions in the state, now returns to the House, which passed a different version earlier. The House must decide whether to accept changes made by the Senate, which passed its version 23-12.

"It is the time for the South Dakota Legislature to deal with this issue and protect the lives and rights of unborn children," said Democratic Sen. Julie Bartling, the bill's main sponsor."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/22/dakota.abortion.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: wilshire]
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Nothing like playing politics with lives...


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: wilshire]
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The fundamental question of when a human life becomes a person is not an easy one to answer. Both sides have legitimate points to consider. If a fetus is a person, then abortion should be illegal as it would be murder. It should not matter how the innocent life comes into being. Notice that I said, "if." I am not wise enough to determine when 'personhood' begins. Sadly, I don't think anyone is.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: wilshire]
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Utterly useless legislation, if passed. They are out of touch with reality if they believe this will stop people from having abortions. Backalley abortionists will creep up all over South Dakota or they will just cross state lines.

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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: Skeptikos]
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Skeptikos said:
The fundamental question of when a human life becomes a person is not an easy one to answer. Both sides have legitimate points to consider. If a fetus is a person, then abortion should be illegal as it would be murder. It should not matter how the innocent life comes into being. Notice that I said, "if." I am not wise enough to determine when 'personhood' begins. Sadly, I don't think anyone is.


I agree with you that I don't think anyone is in a position to say when an innocent life comes into being. No one argument will definitively decide. It is for that reason that I believe people should be able to make that moral decision for themselves, instead of letting the government do it for them.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: gluke bastid]
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Well, pending further advances in science or moral pursuasion, I'm going to have to agree with you.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: wilshire]
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The only way I can see this as a good thing is it allows more states' rights.

Nevertheless, I doubt that would happen. Individual states can ban abortions, but I doubt individual states can legalize marijuana without the federal government busting into every shop and house that their dogs bark at. So only on issues where the states can further erode our personal liberties rather than expand them does it seem to be permissible.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
The only way I can see this as a good thing is it allows more states' rights.

Nevertheless, I doubt that would happen. Individual states can ban abortions, but I doubt individual states can legalize marijuana without the federal government busting into every shop and house that their dogs bark at. So only on issues where the states can further erode our personal liberties rather than expand them does it seem to be permissible.


Wait so you think that the federal government won't do anything in response if this bill gets passed? I was under the impression South Dakota was just trying to get Roe V. Wade back on the front burner, and the bill was to force the issue.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: gluke bastid]
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This bill will be suspended by preliminary injunction and then squashed by a Federal Circuit Court. Then the Supreme Court will refuse to hear it.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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Human life begins in the 75th trimester.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: zappaisgod]
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Shouldn't abortions be considered legal as long as someone is not providing for his own sustenance? After all, one argument for abortions is that the fetus is a parasite living off of the mother. Wouldn't the logical extension of this apply to all those who consume more tax revenues than they produce?


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: Skeptikos]
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Not really, since those people have consciousness and actual lives, as opposed to being a few multiplying cells in the womb of the mother.

How much consciousness do you really think you had in the womb? Personally, I don't think I was at all conscious in any reasonable time when my parents would have potentially aborted me.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: Skeptikos]
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Shouldn't abortions be considered legal as long as someone is not providing for his own sustenance?
no
After all, one argument for abortions is that the fetus is a parasite living off of the mother.
whose argument?
Wouldn't the logical extension of this apply to all those who consume more tax revenues than they produce?
no, even though I can think some corporations that fit this description that I'd like to see "aborted."


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: Ravus]
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BTW, my comments were not meant to be taken seriously. However, I have encountered quite a few fully grown humans where were barely sentient.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: gluke bastid]
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gluke bastid said:
I can think some corporations that fit this description that I'd like to see "aborted."


I find myself in agreement with you once again.


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: bukkake]
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bukkake said:
Utterly useless legislation, if passed. They are out of touch with reality if they believe this will stop people from having abortions. Backalley abortionists will creep up all over South Dakota or they will just cross state lines.



Maybe we should just legalize murder too, then?

As if that isn't what this is...


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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: wilshire]
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More legislation of morality creeping into the courts through special interest groups.

Believe me legislating morality does not work in a country with individual rights and freedom. It simply does not work.

If abortion is illegal it turns something thats a legal buisness into a crime(sounds like something else huh?).Woman will just have backalley abortions and leave discarded fetus's... Police investigation is tied up to catch women who leave behind discarded fetuses and throw them in jail further costing taxpayers way more money then simply having a doctor stick a vacuum tube in her vagina.

Not only that but illegal abortions kill hundreds of women a year.
To me this isnt a morality issue its a issue of individual rights concerning whether a woman can decide when or not to bring a child into this world.

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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The_Red_Crayon said:Believe me legislating morality does not work in a country with individual rights and freedom. It simply does not work.

I think all laws are legislating morality. As a society we deem it immoral to kill, steal, not pay taxes, speeding, whatever. Its all morality bieng legislated. Im not saying that all moral issues should be legislated, just that all legislation is based on sombody view of morality.

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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Quote:
The_Red_Crayon said:Believe me legislating morality does not work in a country with individual rights and freedom. It simply does not work.

I think all laws are legislating morality. As a society we deem it immoral to kill, steal, not pay taxes, speeding, whatever. Its all morality bieng legislated. Im not saying that all moral issues should be legislated, just that all legislation is based on sombody view of morality.


You make an excellent point. Maybe if you said legislating morality that concerns the individual rights of a human being.

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Re: South Dakota Senate passes abortion ban bill [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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To me, the abortion issue has nothing to do with rights. It's a simple matter of what works and what doesn't work. If abortions became illegal, women would just turn to black market abortionists, putting themselves in danger, along with the fetuses. The money that it would take to enforce a ban on abortion would be enoromous. I feel that money would be better spent providing alternatives to abortion, by streamlining the adoption process, and helping people in poverty.


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