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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2905315 - 07/19/04 01:50 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So that's why we need civil unions for both straight and gay couples.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: silversoul7]
    #2905328 - 07/19/04 01:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
So that's why we need civil unions for both straight and gay couples.




marriage has been around in tact the same way it is now as it has been for the entire written history of mankind. Who is to say that all of a sudden 20 years into modern times makes gay marriage valid.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2905396 - 07/19/04 02:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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marriage has been around in tact the same way it is now as it has been for the entire written history of mankind.



When were the first marriage licences required? When was polygamy outlawed? How long has it been since arranged marriages went out of favor? How long ago did it become illegal to marry someone under 18 years of age?


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2905474 - 07/19/04 03:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

> Who is to say that all of a sudden 20 years into modern times makes gay marriage valid.

Yep, and we used to have slaves too... just because something has always been doesn't mean that it is correct.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2905831 - 07/19/04 05:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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So that's why we need civil unions for both straight and gay couples.




marriage has been around in tact the same way it is now as it has been for the entire written history of mankind. Who is to say that all of a sudden 20 years into modern times makes gay marriage valid.



In some cultures, marriage can mean a union between one man and several women or one woman and several men. Its meaning is far from static.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: silversoul7]
    #2906065 - 07/19/04 06:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

We don't need civil unions or marriage. The government should get the fuck out of this business entirely


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: silversoul7]
    #2906402 - 07/19/04 08:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Polygamy is a problem, but it still remains between a man and a woman.

And believe it or not, gays are not oppressed like slaves were.

Evolving, we are a country built on traditions.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2906410 - 07/19/04 08:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Paligomy is a problem, but it still remains between a man and a woman.



How is it a problem?

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And believe it or not, gays are not oppressed like slaves were.



Being denied equal rights is what I call oppression.

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Evolving, we are a country built on traditions.



So it was a tradition to use guerrilla tactics to gain independence from one's former ruler?


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: silversoul7]
    #2906422 - 07/19/04 08:49 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Paligomy is a problem, but it still remains between a man and a woman.



How is it a problem?

Watch A&E's special on Polygamy, youll see why (they just interview both sides, no lean)

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And believe it or not, gays are not oppressed like slaves were.



Being denied equal rights is what I call oppression.

I still dont see gay marriage as equal rights, considering it isnt what marriage is all about.

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Evolving, we are a country built on traditions.



So it was a tradition to use guerrilla tactics to gain independence from one's former ruler?




That is war
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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2906445 - 07/19/04 09:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
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Redo said:
Paligomy is a problem, but it still remains between a man and a woman.



How is it a problem?




Watch A&E's special on Polygamy, youll see why (they just interview both sides, no lean)



Let me guess: Something about high divorce rate and lots of jealousy. Big deal. People should be free to marry whoever they want, as long as the other person gives informed consent.

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And believe it or not, gays are not oppressed like slaves were.



Being denied equal rights is what I call oppression.

I still dont see gay marriage as equal rights, considering it isnt what marriage is all about.



Marriage is a contract. Simple as that. Gays should have the same freedom to make such a contract between themselves as straight people should.

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Evolving, we are a country built on traditions.



So it was a tradition to use guerrilla tactics to gain independence from one's former ruler?




That is war
( sorry about the formatting, im in a hurry to do somethin)



And an unprecedented war of independence at that. The founding fathers were certainly willing to shrug off tradition in the name of liberty. We should all be willing to do the same.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Seuss]
    #2935478 - 07/28/04 05:36 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm...

There's two things wrong with this arguement.

One:

No one here is coming from a religous perspective. It's just all about rules & judgement.. that's why most of you guys have a hard time trying to comprehend WHY G.W.B is doing what he is and WHAT the problem is in the first place.

You can't argue for something when you know jack **** about the opponents beliefs and where he is coming from.It's a one sided voice.

But that all comes down to what you believe in blah blah blah..

Second:

okay..

What are the gays arguement?..

Love ..?

Yeah


They love eachother and there's no reason what so ever that there is anything wrong with that.

Right?

Well.. isn't that exactly the same arguemnt the pedophiles put forwad?

They just "..love.." the kids.

Pure.. Simple.. Love.. For these innocent beings.

HAH.



If any dipshit comes forwad and tells me that pedophiles are alright ... That's only proof the degradation of society now :laugh:.





So.. whens one going to merge into another?.
There's really no reason what so ever for you to not accept Pedophiles since your accepting gays on the very same arguement.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: aleighe]
    #2935484 - 07/28/04 05:52 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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There's really no reason what so ever for you to not accept Pedophiles since your accepting gays on the very same arguement.



Except for that thing known as "the age of consent".

Trying to compare an adult giving consent and entering into a marriage to a child doing so is ludicrous and more than just a bit foolish.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2935576 - 07/28/04 08:42 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Redo said:
Polygamy is a problem, but it still remains between a man and a woman.

And believe it or not, gays are not oppressed like slaves were.

Evolving, we are a country built on traditions.




They are oppressed when you tell them they chose to be the way they are and then subject them to the humiliation of being second class citizens by telling them they cant marry because it will piss God off.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Zahid]
    #2937933 - 07/28/04 10:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Both Pedophiles and Gay couples base their life around another beings genital area, either underaged or of the same sex.

There are no boundries of morality when your relationship is based on lust for another mans ass. So you cannot presume that Gay couples are of equal or of adjacent legal age or that they are not.

Lust is what makes this world tick so don't underestimate it nor try to conclude it's limits.

I'm not saying that Gay couples do or may choose boys of younger ages :/ but rather you can't herald it.

Making a statement that what differentiates the acceptance of Pedophiles and Gays is the "legal age consent" whilse both parties are attracted to the very same object of desire and are known to overlap eachother.. is just plainy "ludicrous".

They are detrimental to society and the traditions of Marriage ( A subject strongly upheld in religion. Something of which many can't grasp because they are atheistic and can't stand the thought of someone above them being displeased with their actions.. that is why there is so much debate and confusion on the subject AND why a martial law is being decided to set everything straight. )

Either you go with the flow and watch everything degrade or stand up.

They are of the same passion and with one the other will,guaranteed , follow.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: aleighe]
    #2937961 - 07/28/04 10:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Both Pedophiles and Gay couples base their life around another beings genital area, either underaged or of the same sex.



Quite an ignorant statement if I've ever heard one. Just because that's what other people think of when they imagine gays does not make it so.

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There are no boundries of morality when your relationship is based on lust for another mans ass. So you cannot presume that Gay couples are of equal or of adjacent legal age or that they are not.



What if it's based on love, like most marriages are? As for legal age, what does that have to do with anything?

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I'm not saying that Gay couples do or may choose boys of younger ages :/ but rather you can't herald it.



Certainly there are gay pedophiles, just as there are straight pedophiles? What's your point? Is molesting a 5-year-old boy any more morally repugnant than molesting a 5-year-old girl?

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Making a statement that what differentiates the acceptance of Pedophiles and Gays is the "legal age consent" whilse both parties are attracted to the very same object of desire and are known to overlap eachother.. is just plainy "ludicrous".



No. It's common sense.

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They are detrimental to society and the traditions of Marriage ( A subject strongly upheld in religion. Something of which many can't grasp because they are atheistic and can't stand the thought of someone above them being displeased with their actions.. that is why there is so much debate and confusion on the subject AND why a martial law is being decided to set everything straight. )



How'd you get those sheet of yours so white?

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Either you go with the flow and watch everything degrade or stand up.



Explain how everything is "degrading."


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: aleighe]
    #2937965 - 07/28/04 10:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

what the fuck? Are you a retard?

"Gay couples base their life around another beings genital area"
And straight couples do the same thing then! Oh no? Well gays love each other too. Right, they can't possibly love - because they're gay. Makes perfect sense. Wait, no it doesn't

You cannot prove in ANY way shape or form that Lust drives them.

This isn't about religion and morality - this is about government being fair and not ruled by religion.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: aleighe]
    #2938009 - 07/28/04 10:23 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Let's have a look here...

Bob and Joe are a happy gay couple, both mid-30's, both involved in politics, one owns a restraunt, the other owns a car dealership. Bob likes fishing, Joe likes to ski. They like to cuddle on the canoe on the lake, or at the lodge in the mountains.

How the FUCK you can compare that to child rape is beyond me.


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