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GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't banned
    #2892914 - 07/15/04 11:28 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/15/samesex.marriage/index.html
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says he is "disappointed" that a move to effectively ban same-sex marriage was "temporarily blocked" in the Senate, and he is urging the House to take up the matter.

"Activist judges and local officials in some parts of the country are not letting up in their efforts to redefine marriage for the rest of America, and neither should defenders of traditional marriage flag in their efforts," Bush said in a statement.

"It is important for our country to continue the debate on this important issue, and I urge the House of Representatives to pass this amendment."

Efforts to pass a constitutional amendment to effectively ban gay marriage failed in the Senate on Wednesday afternoon.

Opponents denounced the failed effort as a "political tool" during an election year.

"Today, we saw President Bush and the Republican leadership attempt to divide America and it backfired, instead dividing their own party," said Cheryl Jacques, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization. "We saw the politics of distraction fail and fail handily."

Supporters of the amendment vowed to keep fighting for the measure.

"This is a long process," said Republican Sen. Wayne Allard of Colorado, sponsor of the amendment. "Nobody on our side, I think, ever felt for a minute that this was going to be a one-shot deal and it was going to be over with at that particular point in time."

The proposed amendment, championed by Bush, was killed for this session after a procedural vote to move the measure to the Senate floor for final consideration failed 48-50 -- 12 votes shy of the 60 required by Senate rules.

Six Republicans -- including Sen. John McCain of Arizona -- joined 43 Democrats and one independent to defeat the measure. Three Democrats and 45 Republicans voted for it.

Republicans had expected to muster the votes needed to at least advance the measure, if not the 67 required to pass it. They also expected to force the presumptive Democratic presidential ticket -- Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina -- to vote against it.

A constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress to pass. Then the proposal would need the approval of three-fourths of the state legislatures to be ratified.

Both Kerry and Edwards were on record opposing the measure but decided not to return for the procedural vote since their votes weren't needed to defeat it. They were the only senators not voting.

Kerry, who was in Boston, issued a statement saying the Senate floor "should only be used for the common good, not issues designed to divide us for political purposes."

Edwards, at a campaign rally in Iowa, said "the president and the vice president tried to use our Constitution and the amendment of that Constitution as a political tool, and the United States Senate, they said, 'No. We will not accept it.' "

A Bush campaign aide responded, "It takes a special kind of senator to attack others over a vote that they don't show up for."

Bush did not directly address the amendment's defeat during a bus tour of Wisconsin, but he reiterated his opposition to same-sex marriage during a rally in Ashwaubenon, a Green Bay suburb.

"We stand for institutions like marriage and family which are the foundations of our society," he said, drawing thunderous applause from the partisan crowd. "We stand for judges who strictly and faithfully interpret the law, instead of legislating from the bench."

Social conservatives have been pushing hard for the measure since May, when the highest court in Massachusetts legalized same-sex marriages in the Bay State.

Polls show a solid majority of Americans are against legalizing same-sex marriages, although the gap narrows when it comes to amending the Constitution.
Varying views

Bush's stance was echoed by Republican Sen. Bill Frist of Tennessee during debate. "Will activist judges not elected by the American people destroy the institution of marriage, or will the people protect marriage as the best way to raise children? My vote is with the people," said the majority leader.

Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah said the amendment would simply preserve a fundamental institution "that a few unelected judges are trying to radically change." It's not a question of discrimination against gays, he said.

The amendment, as proposed by Allard, would add these two sentences to the Constitution:

"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman."

Some Republicans objected to the second sentence, saying it was so ambiguous that it also could prevent states from allowing gays and lesbians to join in civil unions.

Other senators expressed concern that the measure would usurp the states' traditional dominion over family law, and some questioned whether it was necessary.

Republican Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire, who voted against moving the measure forward, said it was too early to make the assumption that judges might strike down laws such as the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act and 38 similar state statutes that define marriage as a union only between a man and a woman.

"Naturally, there exist concerns about what activist courts might do to undermine these rights and the Defense of Marriage Act," Sununu said in a statement. "But it is premature to amend the Constitution based upon a hypothetical scenario."

McCain went even further, calling the amendment "antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans." (Full story)

Besides Sununu and McCain, the other Republicans who broke with the GOP leadership on the issue were Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Ben Nighthorse Campbell of Colorado.

The three Democrats voting to advance the measure were Robert Byrd of West Virginia, Zell Miller of Georgia and Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

Afterward, proponents tried to put the best face on the defeat, vowing to press forward until they win.

"I think we are going to have a long and extended discussion in the country about what is marriage. ... We won on substance. We lost on procedure," said Republican Sam Brownback of Kansas, noting that Democrats were "definitely" not listening to their constituents.



I wonder if its the same kind of disappointment the 9/11 victim's families felt when bush blocked investigations of 9/11.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: daussaulit]
    #2893126 - 07/15/04 01:00 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

What a jerk.






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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Learyfan]
    #2893425 - 07/15/04 03:01 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

What a majority of jerks.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2893518 - 07/15/04 03:30 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

GW Bush is a moral bastion. A former coke-head, duty-shirker, drunk driver who made his millions off the back of taxpayers (legal, but unethical fraud) is a likely candidate to judge others like the good Christian he is.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't banned [Re: daussaulit]
    #2893552 - 07/15/04 03:38 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Oh goodness, I dont know if I have the mental energy to express how I feel on this article.

Please america, wake up.

Why, oh why? Your daddy got outta office for a reason, bub.

So where is Nader this year?

PS..Texas has oil too damnit.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't banned [Re: daussaulit]
    #2893855 - 07/15/04 05:51 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

You all should cry, they arrest and tortue gay people in many places.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't banned [Re: Redo]
    #2893858 - 07/15/04 05:52 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Redo said:
You all should cry, they arrest and tortue gay people in many places.



:wtf:


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2893878 - 07/15/04 05:58 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

well then, I guess we should be happy that they
only get treated half-bad here, right?


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: daussaulit]
    #2893947 - 07/15/04 06:11 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

hehe Bush hopes gay marriage can become the center of debate.... Maybe take some scrutiny off the loads of BS he(they) dumped on us.

"It is important for our country to continue the debate on this important issue"


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #2894219 - 07/15/04 07:26 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I think he's trying to destract from the war... the "real" issues


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: blu3]
    #2894571 - 07/15/04 09:03 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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blu3 said:
I think he's trying to destract from the war... the "real" issues




Worked for Clinton, just the opposite way, distracting the war problems with sex problems.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: blu3]
    #2894604 - 07/15/04 09:16 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

I think he's trying to destract from the war... the "real" issues

not really. this was about forcing democrats to take a stand on the issue. it was part of a very long pattern of the republican party playing to the christian values of middle america in order to secure votes from people for whom voting republican would appear economically disadvantageous. it's a sad situation.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: ]
    #2894970 - 07/15/04 11:18 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Ohh no, what politicians would want to secure votes?


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2895028 - 07/15/04 11:34 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

He is securing votes by taking a side on a very sticky issue. Hopefully most people realise that this issue shouldn't be case closed already.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2895047 - 07/15/04 11:41 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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sir tripsalot said:
He is securing votes by taking a side on a very sticky issue. Hopefully most people realise that this issue shouldn't be case closed already.




Better then having two opinions over one topic, what do you expect from anybody? There will be two sides, thats why the issue is open.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Redo]
    #2895148 - 07/16/04 12:12 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

He is trying to close the issue with the ammendmants to the constitution.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2895174 - 07/16/04 12:17 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

And it wont work, but the topic is still open, its just something he feels very strongly about, as do alot of americans.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2895960 - 07/16/04 04:34 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
What a majority of jerks.




Correct on both counts! :smile:


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: daussaulit]
    #2897751 - 07/16/04 06:49 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Gay marraige is legal in several provinces in Canada now.


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Re: GW Bush is disappointed that same-sex marriage wasn't ba [Re: daussaulit]
    #2899929 - 07/17/04 04:01 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

This whole issue really annoys me. Look how much time, and tax money we have spent trying to strip more rights away from ourselves... And why, I ask... so that people that are married can feel more secure knowing that they aren't gay, because gay's can't marry... Why do I care if gay people marry?! It changes absolutely nothing, zero, nadda, zilch, in my life. It isn't as if I am going to drop dead because Sue and Ellen vowed their love to one another.

This is just another attempt for the government to watch what private citizens do in their home. Next thing you know, they will try to outlaw sex during daylight... somebody somewhere might be offended by people having sex during the day...


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