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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: friartuck]
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Care to say why?


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: SlapnutRob]
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Come on, Gore a totally evil guy? How is he more evil than Bush?


His social policies alone make him far worse than Bush


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LDS, I particularly find it a travesty that you would call that "one of the few good things Nader has done,"... Nader is a man who has dedicated himself to helping other people and you just dismiss him because he's a leftist.


Holy shit you say some silly things. I dismiss him because I dislike his policies. Not "just because he's a leftist". He could claim to be anything he wishes and it wouldn't make any difference. I would dismiss any politician whose policies I disagree with. Why this would surprise you is a fucking mystery to me.


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BTW, Nader didn't cost Gore the presidency, an inaccurate purge list created by independent firm, DataBase Technologies, did.


Many things cost Gore the presidency. And thank goodness.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: SlapnutRob]
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SlapnutRob said:
BTW, Nader didn't cost Gore the presidency, an inaccurate purge list created by independent firm, DataBase Technologies, did.

Not to mention the biased Florida Supreme Court ruling allowing late military absentee votes to be included in the recount (biased because this was against the rules and military votes are 80% republican), followed by the US Supreme Court ruling halting the Florida recount once it was apparent that Gore could win.

And as Luvdemshrooms also said, there were many other reasons as well.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
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sorry, it had to be said.


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Edited by Innvertigo (07/15/03 01:46 PM)

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
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You amuse me.

The Florida Court is biased for allowing the military ballots, but isn't biased for allowing a recount which was clearly illegal?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: friartuck]
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by luvdemshrooms

Candidate A is completely evil. Let's say he runs at 46% in the polls.
Candidate B is fairly evil. Let's say he runs at 49% in the polls.
Candidate C is a good guy. He's drawing 5% but......

You make good assessment of the situation, ewxcept for one thing. Neither repuiblican nor dem's are 'less' evil than the others; they are the same party with a different wig. Once again, the only things that matter are the things that NEITHER party will talk about, ie

drug war


energy dependance

campaign finance reform

Give me a problem, and I will show you how it can be helped or solved by changing any one of these three taboo subjects, which are rarely discussed and never moved on by either major party. FRom domestic safety and tranquility to worldwide prosperity, we have the power to solve these problems but the solutions are persona non grata at both political parties, which means in the end they are paid for by the same people. What those shasdowy people behind the scenes dont care about, they have liberty to fuck with, and it ends up being next to nothing in the long run.

But your right - the way the syustem is now, if youre not funded you dont get elected, and if you find a way to properly fund yourself something will happen to you.

Am I wrong?

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
The Florida Court is biased for allowing the military ballots, but isn't biased for allowing a recount which was clearly illegal?

Clearly illegal? Was the recount illegal because it would have delayed the results beyond an arbitrary 12 Dec "deadline"??? Not having an accurate tally of the votes was also illegal, and when weighing the two against one another, the deadline is less important than an accurate tally (IMHO).


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: drfrei]
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Neither repuiblican nor dem's are 'less' evil than the others; they are the same party with a different wig.


Perhaps in your eyes.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
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I guess a deadline set in Statute is arbitrary only if your guy loses.

And since all the recounts Gore wanted still show Bush as the winner, it's kind of a moot point.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I don't even talk about that Supreme Court thing anymore with all the recounts and whatnot. It's pointless because it's now known to be a fact that Gore should have won in Florida by tens of thousands of votes had it not been for the collusion of DataBase Technologies, Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris.

Many of you call the Democrats crybabies for bitching about the recount and the Supreme Court decision, but I call them idiots for clinging onto those events when they shouldn't even have been a factor.

LDS, I know you would disagree with Nader's policies, but I don't see why anyone would dismiss some of his consumer advocate work. I guess it doesn't matter how safe products are for people, eh?


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Innvertigo]
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I voted Libertarian(L. Neil Smith), but Bush had a lock on the AZ election. If there was a chance of Gore winning here then I would have had to hold my nose and vote for Bush.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: wingnutx]
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Ditto....If there was a viable libertarian candidate there's no doubt in my mind, i would vote for him/her.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo said:
Ditto....If there was a viable libertarian candidate there's no doubt in my mind, i would vote for him/her.

Interesting that so many Republicans like the libertarian party and so many dems like the Greens. I'm surprised neither party is stronger than they are.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
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I'm not. The whole system is built to favor two extremely strong parties. I like the Libertarians better than Republicans though... their whole deal seems to be that the government's only responsibility to us is defense, and want them out of their lives in every other way, including the war on drugs. That's more reasonable to me than corporations running everything now than they obviously do through the dems and reps.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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what a disgrace


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Strumpling]
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"Neither repuiblican nor dem's are 'less' evil than the others; they are the same party with a different wig."

Thank you for saying that!

Republicans and democrats= 2 defferent sides of the same bad penny.

did you know that the main spin doctor for the repubs and the main spin doctor for the dems are married... to eachother?

kind of scary to think that an old married couple decides together what the two main party's statements are gonna be...

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Re: libertarian [Re: DoctorJ]
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when your at war you spend more $ it's just a fact. Look at the Reagan years durnig the Coldwar and even Gulf WAr I

WB


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: WhiteBunny]
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No, they're not. They're good people, they're more about all classes of the people and I think that's honorable, especially if they're a wealthy Liberaterian and would gain from voting for a republican. I don't really know that much about Gore and why you claim he is so bad, please do provide examples and a source, because all I have seen from him is good, but I haven't analyzed his motives like I have Bush (I fear one of the worst presidents in U.S. history) and I don't make up my mind until I have seen both sides, and once I have made up my mind I try to stay fluid and open minded in who is the good guy, bad guy, or if there any of them are even good, in case things change. But that's besides the point, I think I just bragged a bit... Anyway, please state some examples.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: beatnicknick]
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This thread is 2 1/2 years old. If you have something to say, just start a new thread because most of these people are not around anymore..not to mention the thread is totally irrelevent to current events.

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