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The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry
    #2407734 - 03/08/04 05:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)


http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFil...2/27&ID=Ar00800
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Setting Straight Kerry?s War Record

By THOMAS LIPSCOMB Mr. Lipscomb, the founder of Times Books, was the publisher of Admiral Zumwalt?s best-selling book, ?On Watch.?

Senator Kerry recently wrote a letter to President Bush complaining, ?You and your campaign have initiated a widespread attack on my service in Vietnam, my decision to speak out to end that war,? and warning, ?I will not sit back and allow my patriotism to be challenged.?

In the absence of any evidence from Mr. Kerry of an attack from the Bush campaign, Mr. Kerry seems to have originated his own doctrine of ?pre-emption.? How valid are his concerns?

No one denies Mr. Kerry?s four bemedaled months in ?Swiftboats? or his seven-months? service as an electrical officer on board the USS Gridley, during its cruises back and forth to California, or even his months as an admiral?s aide in Brooklyn, before he was able get out of the Navy six months early to run for office.




Gosh, bush gets special treatment to run for office, and hes lambasted for it. I wonder why the media hasn't caught wind of this (Read: Massive liberal media conspirac)
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Taking a look at Mr. Kerry?s much-promoted Vietnam service, his military record was, indeed, remarkable in many ways. Last week, the former assistant secretary of defense and Fletcher School of Diplomacy professor,W. Scott Thompson, recalled a conversation with the late Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. that clearly had a slightly different take on Mr. Kerry?s recollection of their discussions:

?[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt,told me ? 30 years ago when he was still CNO ?that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam,just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.?We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,? the admiral said. ?Bud? Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions ? but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.? And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.

Mr. Kerry was assigned to Swiftboat 44 on December 1, 1968. Within 24 hours, he had his first Purple Heart. Mr. Kerry accumulated three Purple Hearts in four months with not even a day of duty lost from wounds, according to his training officer. It?s a pity one cannot read his Purple Heart medical treatment reports which have been withheld from the public. The only person preventing their release is Mr. Kerry.




Gee, FOUR Purple Hearts and never missed a day?I wonder whats in those medical records? Why would someone who is pushing against Bush's war record not unseal his own? Is it because his word is the shit from a male bovine animal?
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By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier. One can begin to appreciate Zumwalt?s problem with Mr. Kerry as commander of an unarmored craft dependent upon speed of maneuver to keep it and its crew from being shot to pieces.

Mr. Kerry now refers to those civilian deaths as ?accidents of war.?And within four days of his third Purple Heart, Mr. Kerry applied to take advantage of a technicality which allowed him to request immediate transfer to a stateside post.

Once back in the States, Mr. Kerry joined ?the struggle for our veterans,? as he called it last week in Atlanta, by joining a scruffy organization called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The VVAW?s executive director, Al Hubbard, supposedly a former Air Force captain wounded in Vietnam, quickly appointed Mr. Kerry to the executive committee.




Hey JKerry, your attempt at being a savage murderer of non-combatants didn't work at making you a war hero so you could win votes like you planned, now what will you do? Oh, do the popular thing and PROTEST the war, great!
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Mr. Kerry participated with the VVAW at agitprop rallies such as Valley Forge and the ?Winter Soldier? guerrilla theater atrocity trials in Detroit, finally testifying in April 1971 before the Senate as an authority on the war crimes his fellow American servicemen had committed in Vietnam.

Outside of his own ?accidents of war,? there is no evidence that Mr. Kerry had then or has now the least idea what may or may not have been the realities of ground combat. However, he had no problem reeling off for the Senate a series of unproven, secondhand allegations that would have been perfectly at home at the Nuremberg trials indicting his fellow veterans.

Mr. Kerry stated there were ?war crimes committed in Southeast Asia...not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-today basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.?Then Mr. Kerry got specific:

?They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam...we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free-fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search-and-destroy missions,the bombings,the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam.?

In other words, My Lai was just another day in the life of the Vietnam War.

This wasn?t a one-time occasion. The VVAW had been peddling this line from the day Mr. Kerry joined them and had been publishing charges like this for the previous two years. Mr. Kerry repeated them on ?Meet the Press? with Al Hubbard, who was found to be a total fraud and who never served in Vietnam, much less was wounded. However, Mr. Kerry has never renounced the charges he made.

Recently, his fellow VVAW supporter, Jane Fonda, has tried to minimize a potentially damaging picture of him a few rows behind her at the three-day VVAW Valley Forge rally in September 1970.And many members of the press fell for the line that it was accidental or coincidental,including Fox?s Chris Wallace and ABC?s Tim Russert.

However, there were only eight or nine speakers that day, including Donald Sutherland, Mark Lane, Bella Abzug, and Ms. Fonda. And far from being a casual audience member, Mr. Kerry, an executive committee member, not Ms. Fonda, was the lead speaker.

Ms. Fonda had been funding VVAW events since before Mr. Kerry joined its executive committee. At Valley Forge, Ms. Fonda said: ??My Lai was not an isolated incident but rather a way of life for many of our military.?

Their appearance together in that picture may be a lot of things, but it was not a coincidence.

Mr. Kerry has already confessed his complicity in killing civilians as ?accidents of war.?However, he has offered a classic Nuremberg defense that this was not only a commonplace occurrence throughout the Vietnam War, but he was carrying out a policy ?with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.?

His commander of naval operations in Vietnam, who specifically designed the mission that Mr. Kerry and the other Swiftboat commanders executed, Admiral Zumwalt, clearly disagreed. An examination of the truth behind this disagreement is not an attack on Mr. Kerry. It is a matter of vital historical interest.





Personally, if you don't want to serve in a war, thats fine. If you do want to serve, but want to remain stateside in a non-combatant position, thats fine. If you serve questionably, refuse to open your records detailing the events that lead to FOUR Purple Hearts and not a single missed day of duty, then you get special permissionto leave the war and come back to run for office and oyu begin protesting the war, you certaintly don't have very strong ground to stand on for the attacks on Bush. As much as I despise Bill Clinton, I don't dislike him for his decision during the Vietnam war. IF you dont' want t oserve, we shouldn't make you. The singular point of this article is to show that ole Tougher Than Nails KErry is, as most politicans are, totally hypocritical and full of shit.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2407817 - 03/08/04 06:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If no one doubts that Kerry never missed a day, then why should he have to open his records?


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2407858 - 03/08/04 06:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They are asking what kind of wound causes someone to miss no combat time. These purple hearts could have been awarded because kerry stubed his toe and didn't feel like walking for a bit.

But if its true that some pretty bad shit.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2407860 - 03/08/04 06:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

have you read about Bush' amazing military record? Gee what a fucking champion HE is..

http://www.bushflash.com/topgun.html


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2407873 - 03/08/04 06:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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If no one doubts that Kerry never missed a day, then why should he have to open his records?





Ugh, geez, if you'd do some research, that'd be a hoot-nanny fan-damn-tastic time.

From http://www.purpleheart.org/explanation.htm ;
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The PURPLE HEART is awarded to members of the armed forces of the U.S. who are wounded by an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy and posthumously to the next of kin in the name of those who are killed in action or die of wounds received in action. It is specifically a combat decoration.




So, if he was injured by an enemy, four times!, why wasn't he missing time? My father was in 'Nam and he got a PH, he was in a bed for 6 weeks while surgeons took out piece after piece of shrapnel from his legs. I personally would just like Mr War Hero who was questioning Bush (for doing the same thing the Kerry did) to let us all see the reason he got his purple hearts.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Strumpling]
    #2407892 - 03/08/04 06:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Strumpling said:
have you read about Bush' amazing military record? Gee what a fucking champion HE is..

http://www.bushflash.com/topgun.html





Can you go one minute without attacking bush? The point was that the person who launched te attack on bushes war record has a not-so-impeccable record himself. Geez, if you morons aren't talking about bush and cheney clubbing baby seals to drown them in the oil we stole from Iraq, you can't seem to talk at all.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2407905 - 03/08/04 06:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Bush is avoiding the inquiry into 9-11 and you're worried about why Kerry didn't miss time during his military service? Where's your priorities buddy?

You claim that people on this board are "blindly" anti-Bush, but you're obviously every bit as "blindly" pro-Bush.




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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2407909 - 03/08/04 06:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, but even if he didn't deserve any of those Purple Hearts, compare his military record to Bush's and he still comes out way on top.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Learyfan]
    #2407915 - 03/08/04 06:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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You claim that people on this board are "blindly" pro-Bush, but you're obviously every bit as "blindly" pro-Bush.




Are you sure that sentence came out the way you intended it to?


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2407928 - 03/08/04 06:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Awe, oops.

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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Learyfan]
    #2407993 - 03/08/04 06:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

A simple Freudian slip. We understand.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2408018 - 03/08/04 06:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:blush:

That means that underneath it all i?m actually pro Bush! :eek:







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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Learyfan]
    #2408031 - 03/08/04 06:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. I know what it means.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Learyfan]
    #2408081 - 03/08/04 06:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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:blush:

That means that underneath it all i?m actually pro Bush! :eek:





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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2408133 - 03/08/04 07:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've been living a fucking LIE.

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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Learyfan]
    #2408142 - 03/08/04 07:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

We won't hold it against you. We all must grow up sometime. At least it happened to you while you were young.

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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2408149 - 03/08/04 07:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Can you go one minute without attacking bush? The point was that the person who launched te attack on bushes war record has a not-so-impeccable record himself.




What's so not-so-impeccable about it? He went to Nam, he fought in Nam, he came back from Nam. In that definition of the Purple Heart, it didn't say that you had to be near death to receive it. It didn't even say that you had to be removed from duty for any given amount of time at all.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: silversoul7]
    #2408224 - 03/08/04 07:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok, but even if he didn't deserve any of those Purple Hearts, compare his military record to Bush's and he still comes out way on top.




Well, since neither ofthem have had their total SRB"s released, that'd be hard to do.

John Kerry admitted to killing civilians, personally. It seems to me that when Bush's troops were bombing enemy warriors who hide behind children, killing innocents was a bad thing. But ole Kerry did it pesonally? bah, bush watns oil! bush bush halliburton! bush bush bush!


You reek of ignorance and hypocrisy.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: Learyfan]
    #2408246 - 03/08/04 07:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Addressing the points on your propaganda / shitpaper-rag.

1) John Kerry received more metals in his 4 months of killing civilians than my father, a REAL soldier, ever got. The majority of his medals are only awarded to long time service-men. However, Kerry manage to finagle his way into having them. Wonder why he isn?t releasing the records of why?

2) Kerry used the same "Excuse" that bush did, that is, running for office, to leave his combat position in Vietnam. Again, bush does it and it?s horrific and AWOL, KEry does it, and eh, who cares?

3) How many innocent civilians did Bush machinegun when he was in Alabama?

4) Why doesn?t the article mention that Kerry got out of the service early so he could run for office?

5) Why doesn?t ANYONE address the fact that deserters were PUNISHED at the time of the vietnam war, and bush was neverpunished ? being AWOL for 18 fucking months is a GIGANTIC deal. It is a spefic military charge. I?m sure that none of the daddy-bought-me-an-suv-to-drive-to-our-peace-protest cowards in here has ever sered in the military, so I?m not expecting you to know this, but now htat you do, back it up.


6) Will you send me a vial of your tears when Bush gets re-elected? I?d love to drink them and taste the sweet, sweet taste of victory once again.


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Re: The War Record of Good Ole John "WarHero" Kerry [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2408250 - 03/08/04 07:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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You reek of ignorance and hypocrisy.



You say that as if I was the one putting up such a fuss over civilian casualties.


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