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Clintons record broken.
    #1714997 - 07/14/03 06:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Now this is the stuff Bush does (or doesn't do) that pisses me off.






CLINTON?S RECORD BROKEN
George Bush has broken a Clinton record, though not one to be proud of. The Federal Register ? the publication that lists all proposed and enacted federal regulations ? increased to 75,606 pages in 2002. That breaks the previous record set by Bill Clinton in 2000.

You need to know that these federal regulations cost businesses (and, ultimately, the consumers) in America more than all business income taxes combined.

During 2002 Congress passed 269 new laws. During the same year regulatory agencies passed 4,167 final rules. Not one of these rules was then subjected to congressional oversight.

Some more things to think about when considering Bush?s record in the White House.

Federal government spending under Bush has increased at a rate faster than of any year during the Clintonista era.

George Bush has yet to veto one single spending bill.

George Bush has teamed up with congressional Democrats to pass massive spending increases in education, agriculture and other areas.

George Bush has been in office for almost three years, and has yet to recommend the elimination of one single government-spending program.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1715019 - 07/14/03 06:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

When are you Americans gonna wake up and vote Libertarian?  :rolleyes:


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: pattern]
    #1715036 - 07/14/03 06:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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pattern said:
When are you Americans gonna wake up and vote Libertarian?  :rolleyes:



I'm a registered Libertarian. I'll vote that way when they have a candidate that stands a chance of winning. Nothing would please me more.

Well maybe one or two things.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1715408 - 07/14/03 07:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I am right there with you LDS. He should win in a landslide. The moderate libs will love a lot of the spending, and I just don't think the Dems have a candidate that can beat him.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: shakta]
    #1716385 - 07/14/03 11:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Both parties are huge spenders....
The Democrats tax and spend while the Republicans borrow and spend.

While I knew Bush was a huge spender, it's very strange to hear that Bush has been soft on regulations though... regulations are why they say liberals "love big government."

Shakta, many said the same thing of his daddy, who was even more popular around this time.... look what happened to him.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1716421 - 07/14/03 11:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

What pisses me off is that he's weakening rules that protect the environment. Here in Ohio it's already so polluted the EPA says not to eat the fish you catch because they'll give you cancer. You can't even eat the godamn fish!!! When it's safe enough to eat the fish we can talk about what regulations are unnecessary!


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1716620 - 07/15/03 12:31 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly.  Republicans always cry for "less Government", and then they create  the largest new government bureaucracy in history: the Department of  Homeland Security.  :shake: 


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
    #1716722 - 07/15/03 12:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Cornholio writes:

Republicans always cry for "less Government", and then they create the largest new government bureaucracy in history: the Department of Homeland Security.

The largest? By what measure? Number of employees? Budget?

The largest bureaucracy in both employees and budget is Department of HHS (Health and Human Services). Budget of over 500 billion. DOD (Department of Defense) budget is a paltry 367 billion.

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Phred]
    #1716802 - 07/15/03 01:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The largest new government bureaucracy in history (the others weren't as big when created).


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libertarian [Re: Phred]
    #1716808 - 07/15/03 01:24 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

not this 2-party system...
republicans are full of shit.
democrats are full of shit.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1717529 - 07/15/03 07:36 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm a registered Libertarian. I'll vote that way when they have a candidate that stands a chance of winning.





Just vote for 'em anyway. Fuck it.




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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1717547 - 07/15/03 08:00 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

What i'm having a hard time grasping is, how can he continue to call himself a conservative? Ie: less govt. He's the direct result of the lesser of 2 evils.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1717556 - 07/15/03 08:03 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
I'm a registered Libertarian. I'll vote that way when they have a candidate that stands a chance of winning.





Just vote for 'em anyway. Fuck it.




Nope. If enough had voted for a libertarian, Gore would be President.

Now THAT would be a bad thing.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1717558 - 07/15/03 08:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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What i'm having a hard time grasping is, how can he continue to call himself a conservative? Ie: less govt. He's the direct result of the lesser of 2 evils.



Well he shouldn't, but he was the best of bad choices.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1717623 - 07/15/03 08:42 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Vote Libertarian if you like the party. Don't wait for some far off day where one of them has a chance.

That's the only way we're ever going to change our corrupt "two party" system.




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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1717629 - 07/15/03 08:48 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Well he shouldn't, but he was the best of bad choices.




There was no other choice....I would never have voted for Gore.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1717685 - 07/15/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Vote Libertarian if you like the party. Don't wait for some far off day where one of them has a chance.

That's the only way we're ever going to change our corrupt "two party" system. 



There's not a chance in the world I can agree with that.

Candidate A is completely evil. Let's say he runs at 46% in the polls.
Candidate B is fairly evil. Let's say he runs at 49% in the polls.
Candidate C is a good guy. He's drawing 5% but......

People want to make a statement so some from A & B vote for C who still cannot possibly win. Enough votes may be siphoned from B to put A into office.
Your "statement" may have been what helped to put A, a totally evil guy, into office.


We both know each others stance on Bush so I'm surprised you don't see this as Nader alone probably sapped enough votes from Gore to put Bush into office.

It's one of the few good things Nader has done.  :grin:



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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1718040 - 07/15/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I was about to say you get some federal funding if you get enough votes, but you libertarians won't take it,will you?


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: monoamine]
    #1718139 - 07/15/03 02:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Come on, Gore a totally evil guy? How is he more evil than Bush?

LDS, I particularly find it a travesty that you would call that "one of the few good things Nader has done,"... Nader is a man who has dedicated himself to helping other people and you just dismiss him because he's a leftist.

BTW, Nader didn't cost Gore the presidency, an inaccurate purge list created by independent firm, DataBase Technologies, did.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1718152 - 07/15/03 02:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Libertarians are about 50 times scarier than the Republicans


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: friartuck]
    #1718173 - 07/15/03 02:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Care to say why?


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1718211 - 07/15/03 03:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Come on, Gore a totally evil guy? How is he more evil than Bush?



His social policies alone make him far worse than Bush


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LDS, I particularly find it a travesty that you would call that "one of the few good things Nader has done,"... Nader is a man who has dedicated himself to helping other people and you just dismiss him because he's a leftist.



Holy shit you say some silly things. I dismiss him because I dislike his policies. Not "just because he's a leftist". He could claim to be anything he wishes and it wouldn't make any difference. I would dismiss any politician whose policies I disagree with. Why this would surprise you is a fucking mystery to me.


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BTW, Nader didn't cost Gore the presidency, an inaccurate purge list created by independent firm, DataBase Technologies, did.



Many things cost Gore the presidency. And thank goodness.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #1718308 - 07/15/03 03:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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SlapnutRob said:
BTW, Nader didn't cost Gore the presidency, an inaccurate purge list created by independent firm, DataBase Technologies, did.


Not to mention the biased Florida Supreme Court ruling allowing late military absentee votes to be included in the recount (biased because this was against the rules and military votes are 80% republican), followed by the US Supreme Court ruling halting the Florida recount once it was apparent that Gore could win.

And as Luvdemshrooms also said, there were many other reasons as well.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
    #1718350 - 07/15/03 03:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)



sorry, it had to be said.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
    #1718355 - 07/15/03 03:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You amuse me.

The Florida Court is biased for allowing the military ballots, but isn't biased for allowing a recount which was clearly illegal?


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: friartuck]
    #1718420 - 07/15/03 04:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

by luvdemshrooms

Candidate A is completely evil. Let's say he runs at 46% in the polls.
Candidate B is fairly evil. Let's say he runs at 49% in the polls.
Candidate C is a good guy. He's drawing 5% but......

You make good assessment of the situation, ewxcept for one thing. Neither repuiblican nor dem's are 'less' evil than the others; they are the same party with a different wig. Once again, the only things that matter are the things that NEITHER party will talk about, ie

drug war


energy dependance

campaign finance reform

Give me a problem, and I will show you how it can be helped or solved by changing any one of these three taboo subjects, which are rarely discussed and never moved on by either major party. FRom domestic safety and tranquility to worldwide prosperity, we have the power to solve these problems but the solutions are persona non grata at both political parties, which means in the end they are paid for by the same people. What those shasdowy people behind the scenes dont care about, they have liberty to fuck with, and it ends up being next to nothing in the long run.

But your right - the way the syustem is now, if youre not funded you dont get elected, and if you find a way to properly fund yourself something will happen to you.

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1718443 - 07/15/03 04:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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The Florida Court is biased for allowing the military ballots, but isn't biased for allowing a recount which was clearly illegal?


Clearly illegal? Was the recount illegal because it would have delayed the results beyond an arbitrary 12 Dec "deadline"??? Not having an accurate tally of the votes was also illegal, and when weighing the two against one another, the deadline is less important than an accurate tally (IMHO).


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: drfrei]
    #1718587 - 07/15/03 05:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Neither repuiblican nor dem's are 'less' evil than the others; they are the same party with a different wig.



Perhaps in your eyes.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
    #1718590 - 07/15/03 05:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I guess a deadline set in Statute is arbitrary only if your guy loses.

And since all the recounts Gore wanted still show Bush as the winner, it's kind of a moot point.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1718608 - 07/15/03 05:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I don't even talk about that Supreme Court thing anymore with all the recounts and whatnot. It's pointless because it's now known to be a fact that Gore should have won in Florida by tens of thousands of votes had it not been for the collusion of DataBase Technologies, Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris.

Many of you call the Democrats crybabies for bitching about the recount and the Supreme Court decision, but I call them idiots for clinging onto those events when they shouldn't even have been a factor.

LDS, I know you would disagree with Nader's policies, but I don't see why anyone would dismiss some of his consumer advocate work. I guess it doesn't matter how safe products are for people, eh?


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1718857 - 07/15/03 06:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I voted Libertarian(L. Neil Smith), but Bush had a lock on the AZ election. If there was a chance of Gore winning here then I would have had to hold my nose and vote for Bush.



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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: wingnutx]
    #1719015 - 07/15/03 07:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ditto....If there was a viable libertarian candidate there's no doubt in my mind, i would vote for him/her.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1719072 - 07/15/03 07:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Ditto....If there was a viable libertarian candidate there's no doubt in my mind, i would vote for him/her.


Interesting that so many Republicans like the libertarian party and so many dems like the Greens. I'm surprised neither party is stronger than they are.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Cornholio]
    #1719551 - 07/15/03 11:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not. The whole system is built to favor two extremely strong parties. I like the Libertarians better than Republicans though... their whole deal seems to be that the government's only responsibility to us is defense, and want them out of their lives in every other way, including the war on drugs. That's more reasonable to me than corporations running everything now than they obviously do through the dems and reps.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1720128 - 07/16/03 02:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

what a disgrace


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1721424 - 07/16/03 01:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"Neither repuiblican nor dem's are 'less' evil than the others; they are the same party with a different wig."

Thank you for saying that!

Republicans and democrats= 2 defferent sides of the same bad penny.

did you know that the main spin doctor for the repubs and the main spin doctor for the dems are married... to eachother?

kind of scary to think that an old married couple decides together what the two main party's statements are gonna be...


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Re: libertarian [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5282336 - 02/09/06 05:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

when your at war you spend more $ it's just a fact. Look at the Reagan years durnig the Coldwar and even Gulf WAr I

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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #5283108 - 02/09/06 09:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, they're not. They're good people, they're more about all classes of the people and I think that's honorable, especially if they're a wealthy Liberaterian and would gain from voting for a republican. I don't really know that much about Gore and why you claim he is so bad, please do provide examples and a source, because all I have seen from him is good, but I haven't analyzed his motives like I have Bush (I fear one of the worst presidents in U.S. history) and I don't make up my mind until I have seen both sides, and once I have made up my mind I try to stay fluid and open minded in who is the good guy, bad guy, or if there any of them are even good, in case things change. But that's besides the point, I think I just bragged a bit... Anyway, please state some examples.


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Re: Clintons record broken. [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5283330 - 02/09/06 10:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This thread is 2 1/2 years old. If you have something to say, just start a new thread because most of these people are not around anymore..not to mention the thread is totally irrelevent to current events.


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