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Newton's dark secrets
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/newton/

Check it out all you TV buffs.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: Icelander]
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Glad to see Newton's dark side gets an airing.

After all, he was the original vindictive geek, or evil genius if you like.

-His calculus was inferior to Leibnitz's which led him to vow to destroy Leibnitz (Leibnitz was also a ladies man and had great political power as ambassador in Paris, whereas Newton died a bitter lonely virgin.)

-His gravity law was almost certainly stolen from Robert Hooke, now Hooke is remembered with the crappiest law in all of physics namely the elasticity law, while Newton takes credit for one of the most elegant laws.

-His laws of light, as published in his work "Opticks", were completely inferior to the work of Christiaan Huygens, his contemporary (and my countryman, so I may be a bit biased), who in his "Traite de La Lumiere" proved that light was a wave not a particle. (We're talking tiny balls here, not modern photons, which may act a bit like classical particles, but are completely governed by wave mechanics.)

And I won't even go into his alchemical dabblings.

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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: koppie]
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I have seen Newton's name dropped in many say, off-color books but it's interesting to see is on nova, on the same network that gave us sesame street.

Quote:
NOVA: And if you succeed in making the philosophers' stone, you'll let us know?

NEWMAN: [laughter] If I succeed, I'll disappear.



damn straight...


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Edited by kotik (11/12/05 05:42 AM)

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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: Icelander]
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To his credit he did make this rather egoless remark:

"If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants."
Isaac Newton


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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: Icelander]
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Great, I hope I can download it somewhere in the future. I can't view PBS in Holland.

It always amazed me that Newton put most of his time in Bible study and Alchemy.

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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: koppie]
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-His gravity law was almost certainly stolen from Robert Hooke, now Hooke is remembered with the crappiest law in all of physics namely the elasticity law, while Newton takes credit for one of the most elegant laws.



I don't know what your source is for this, but what I've read in A Short History and Coming of Age in the Milky Way is not the same.

According to a Short History of Nearly Everything, Christopher Wren offered a prize worth forty shillings to Hooke or Halley for solving the motion of celestial objects(Kepler's laws) from gravitational geometry. Halley contacted Newton and pressed him to write a book about the solution of the problem. This is what Newton did and why he is famous now.

Hooke on the other hand, "Hooke, who was well known for taking credit of ideas that weren't necessarily his own, claimed that he had solved the problem already but declined to share it on the interesting and inventive grounds that would rob others of the satisfaction of discovering the answer for themselves."

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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: Annom]
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My sources are a physics professor who loved to spice up his classical mechanics lectures with tales of Newton's darkside and a TV biography of Robert Hooke that, upon further reading may have been slightly biased.

Hooke did first suggest an inverse square law, but if he had a mathematically sound derivation of that idea is not known. When Hooke complained, Newton added him to his ever growing shit-list.

some links on the controversy:

from: http://starryskies.com/~kmiles/spec/hooks.html

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Newton refused to correspond with Hooke any further, Hooke had written a third letter to Newton, that Newton refused to answer. And it is this third letter that is of particular interest. This letter was written January 6, 1680, and in it, Hooke spoke of his theory of gravity. Hooke wrote; "But my supposition is that the Attraction always is in a duplicate proportion to the Distance from the Center Reciprocal, and Consequently that the Velocity will be in a subduplicate proportion to the Attraction and Consequently as Kepler supposes Reciprocal to the Distance." This was the main letter Hooke used as evidence when he claimed Newton had robbed him of his theory, but Hooke had no answer from Newton acknowledging Hooke's theory.



from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/revolutions/hooke_robert_beavon_04.shtml

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Hooke corresponded with Newton regularly, but was not enough of a mathematician to formulate gravitation in the Newtonian sense. When Newton published his work on gravity in Principia, Hooke felt that he had not been given enough credit for his earlier work, a view that Newton never forgave. Newton wrote to Halley (who was paying for the publication of Principia) in strong terms over the argument. The relationship became more and more acrimonious, such that Hooke became secretive in his work and Newton is said to have delayed the publication of Opticks until after Hooke's death. It has even been suggested that Newton destroyed Hooke's portrait




So, I may have been wrong on that point. On the other hand, Newton did everything in his power to discredit Hooke, so the real answer may never be known.

Edited by koppie (11/15/05 12:34 PM)

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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: koppie]
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Yeah, the real answer may never be known.

Anyone seen this? Was it good?

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Re: Newton's dark secrets [Re: Annom]
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I saw the Nova episode last night. It was really well done. It portrayed Newton as a neurotic man at war with himself, stepping back and forth between selfless and elegant roles as a physicist and a mathematician, and maniacally egotistical roles as an alchemist and a theologist. There were some great depictions and re-enactments that showed Newton with long, stringy white hair and a gaunt face with dark circles underneath his eyes during his alchemical and theological days.

There was a lot spoken in defense of Newton's alchemical work, calling it the "first and most important steps in to molecular science." The classic Newton illustrations we see today were in fact portraits Newton himself commissioned to be made, and for them he dressed rather atypicaly for the way he was actually known. Newton was a depressed, manic and self-abused man who made many leaps and bounds in his fields of study, but never found what he was searching for.

What I appreciated perhaps most of all about the program was how it married religion and science as two different schools of thought which, when employed correctly, serve a common purpose: increasing our knowledge of the nature of reality and the universe. Most programs of this nature tend to suggest a schism between religion and science, almost always lending their favour to scientific rigor, but this episode of Nova conveyed no such bias.


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