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Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will?
    #4483433 - 08/02/05 12:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you do then in what circumstances do you think that violence is justified, acceptable, or necessary?

I am a tad bit strange on this subject. Violence is natural in our race and it should be prepared for in my opinion. I respect the human race's right to well-being, freedom, and prosperity. But, I also view the use of extreme violence as an acceptable form of force against those who have wronged you.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4484052 - 08/02/05 03:33 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i am a firm believer in karma. i am not worried about those who have wronged me being brought to justice by the balanced universe. i believe in situations such as self defense is violence justified. however justified, it is a much greater action to deny impulsive reactions and restrain from violent actions, even if it means your own demise.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4484396 - 08/02/05 07:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hunt or be hunted.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: Adden]
    #4484401 - 08/02/05 07:40 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i believe violence should be the very last resort to anything but if its the ONLY way to solve the problem sure why not.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: PreparationH]
    #4484408 - 08/02/05 07:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone should live in peace and I'll KICK YOUR ASS if you disagree!  :whack:


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4484484 - 08/02/05 09:08 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Use violence better than your enemies.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4484924 - 08/02/05 12:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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If you do then in what circumstances do you think that violence is justified, acceptable, or necessary?




Any circumstances where the reward you get from the violence is greater than the losses you suffer.

Talking about whether something is justified, acceptable or necessary when your country is being taken over or when you have a gun pressed to your head is useless. Like the rest of life, if humans can expand and conquer, then they will expand and conquer, else they will die off.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: Ravus]
    #4485166 - 08/02/05 02:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Violence is a waste of human potential. Self defense is needed though. I think martial arts should be taught in elementary school and students should be required to pass it to graduate. If everyone knew self defense someone committing an act of violence would think twice.

Organized violence is the bane of humankind and the worst sin by far. Only mindless, warmongering barbarians hunger for it. Anyone with half an ounce of sense can see you can achieve much more for the betterment of all by working together than destroying each other. Sadly this is lost on alot of people.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: Sycronica]
    #4485900 - 08/02/05 05:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Sycronica said:
Organized violence is the bane of humankind and the worst sin by far. Only mindless, warmongering barbarians hunger for it. Anyone with half an ounce of sense can see you can achieve much more for the betterment of all by working together than destroying each other. Sadly this is lost on alot of people.





Only the cowardly and weak repress their instinct for war.

"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing, sooner than of war."

--Homer


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: looner2]
    #4486039 - 08/02/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What the fuck would an ancient Greek philosopher know about war? He had no clue about what war would be like now and was bound on all levels by his cultural sense of honor and tradition.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: vampirism]
    #4486832 - 08/02/05 09:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

First off, he wasn't a philosopher, he was a poet. Second of all, human nature does not change.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4487168 - 08/02/05 11:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Only for animals.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: looner2]
    #4487249 - 08/02/05 11:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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looner2 said:
First off, he wasn't a philosopher, he was a poet. Second of all, human nature does not change.




He was an ancient Greek, so he probably had a little bit of the "gay" in him.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4487483 - 08/03/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I like to "people watch" on threads like these where all the testosterone laden schmucks with small penises emerge to flex their "manly" urges to kill everything. Often, a comparison of gun collections follows. I find it all rather amusing and pathetic.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: unbeliever]
    #4487553 - 08/03/05 12:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I like to "people watch" on threads like these where all the testosterone laden schmucks with small penises emerge to flex their "manly" urges to kill everything. Often, a comparison of gun collections follows. I find it all rather amusing and pathetic.




:rotfl:

I only have one gun.  Here it is:





Actually my original premise was not intended to be a macho display at all.  I view violence as a natural response to certain stimuli.  I think we should recognize this and prepare for it.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: unbeliever]
    #4487661 - 08/03/05 01:01 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

unbeliever said:
I like to "people watch" on threads like these where all the testosterone laden schmucks with small penises emerge to flex their "manly" urges to kill everything. Often, a comparison of gun collections follows. I find it all rather amusing and pathetic.




I like to laugh at hippies who think they're above reality. Evidently, anything mortal must fight for its continued existence; violence is simply one of many natural manifestations of this fight for survival.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: looner2]
    #4487827 - 08/03/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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looner2 said:
Quote:

Sycronica said:
Organized violence is the bane of humankind and the worst sin by far. Only mindless, warmongering barbarians hunger for it. Anyone with half an ounce of sense can see you can achieve much more for the betterment of all by working together than destroying each other. Sadly this is lost on alot of people.





Only the cowardly and weak repress their instinct for war.

"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing, sooner than of war."

--Homer




When Homer lived sleep, love, singing, dancing and war was about all there was to human existance. Life is soooo much different now. If Homer had known the possibilities we know now would he had said the same thing? Is war really more fun than the thought of exploring the universe? If every government stopped making bombs and put all their brains and money together for space exploration imagine how far we could get in even our puny lifetimes!

The possibilities are endless, yet we are stuck here fighting on this same old rock, over the same old shit. I for one am bored with it.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4488125 - 08/03/05 02:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

NO!


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: butterflydawn]
    #4488791 - 08/03/05 09:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Peaceniks, unite! Tell us when violence is acceptable. Overall condemnations of it, the demonizing of those who participate in it, and to insult those who support it does not tell us your position. I'd like to know if any of you think violence is necessary at all. I have yet to see an actual pacifist post on these boards with logic and fluidity other than the late hatta. I see lots of anger being thrown about at war, but when the questioning begins, most shut up and quietly move away.


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Re: Do you view violence as an acceptable form of force to impose your will? [Re: looner2]
    #4488796 - 08/03/05 09:28 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Only the cowardly and weak repress their instinct for war.



Reason is what sets men apart from the other animals. War is an easy option for those unable to conduct themselves as fully human, as rational beings. War only happens when one or both parties revert to a pre-sapient thought pattern, usually it is both parties - war requires fools for it to begin. War is either engaged in as a LAST RESORT by rational people dealing with irrational people or by a gaggle of idiots, there is no middle ground. War is TRIBAL, the most blatant expression of the collectivist mindset, men reduce themselves to herd animals, blindly dieing for their leader, their state or their god. Forget all the popular bashing of selfish actions, a world of individualists would be one without war.

"Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it compromises and develops the germ of every other. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison


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