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InvisibleSwami
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David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy)
    #4099402 - 04/26/05 04:50 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Do I go looking for these things? No, I am just an impartial UN observer wearing a powder blue hat.

Watched Blaine doing some street magic. He did an age-old trick that goes like this:

Blaine: I will write down a three-digit number. *scribbles on pad with pencil*
I will attempt to transmit this number from my mind to your mind. (Hey! Sounds like my sig!) Now I want you to think of any three-digit number. *puts down pencil* OK, now tell me the number.

Volunteer: *frowns in deep concentration* 367.

Blaine shows pad with the number 367.

Volunteer (to camera): I could feel him transmitting the number to me. I knew we had a connection.

Swami: Naturally, there was no connection - it is a trick. Doh! Notice the ad hoc feelings that the volunteer overlays on the event. Remember folks, that many of you do this often: when there is no understanding, substitute some erroneous mystical explanantion. This same principle pertains to beliefs you hold dear.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099410 - 04/26/05 04:52 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

:lol: :thumbup:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099422 - 04/26/05 04:56 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

A few days ago i was walking down a high street in my hometown, thinking of this girl i had'nt seen since high school. About ten minutes later when i was eating my homemade cheese and picke (Yum Yum)  sandwich outside McDonalds (McMurder) the same girl comes walking out of the Gap Shop opposite, walked right over to me and said "I was just thinking about you 10 minutes ago!". We were both amazed and puzzled at this experience. How can this be anything other than mystical?

BTW i have a date with her next week  :grin:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099426 - 04/26/05 04:58 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Maybe you smelled her :wink:.

It's proven that to some degree we subconsciously recognize other individuals by virtue of their smell (pheromone's).

If you thought about her before, and liked her it could be a sign that you are prone to her scent.

:shrug: Have fun, and goodluck on your date.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099434 - 04/26/05 05:02 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

How can this be anything other than mystical?

What about the zillion other times you were eating a sandwich thinking of someone you haven't seen in a while and.... they don't show up?

Given enough of these and other similar situations, it's a given that eventually some coincidence or other will occur.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4099437 - 04/26/05 05:03 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I never thought of that, its certainly an interesting idea. She smelt me, and i smelt her :lol:, ill have to tell her that on our date :smile:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099445 - 04/26/05 05:05 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

chaos theory


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099453 - 04/26/05 05:07 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Oh eys, of course, anything that seems mystical is always fobbed off as a coincidence. What about the fact that she was thinking about me the same time i was thinking of her? Is that now a double coincidence. What exactly are the odds of this happeining? About a zillion to 1? Come off it! Your coincidence theory has'nt a leg to stand on. Its actually more logical to consider it a mytsical experience. :lol:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099464 - 04/26/05 05:09 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

You fail to mention that in your hometown, the population is only 450.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099476 - 04/26/05 05:14 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I think of my ex 100 times a day and she called a few weeks ago after almost a year.

Swami to ex: "Hey baby, how weird is that? I was just thinking about you!"

Ex: "R-e-a-l-l-y?!"


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099478 - 04/26/05 05:14 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

:lol:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099483 - 04/26/05 05:15 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

:lol: Times that by fifty and you've got an apporximate figure :smile:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099488 - 04/26/05 05:16 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!

If you were unaware of this unintuitive statistical fact and found that out of the last four parties you attended twice you shared a birthday with someone, you might attribute it to something mystical.

Still, it would just be a statistical norm that isn't immediately apparent.

I'm not saying that mystical events don't occur, but I am saying that there's no evidence for them, and it's far more reasonable to believe coincidences are coincidences than they are mystical events.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099528 - 04/26/05 05:29 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!

Did you know that 99% of statistcis are made up on the spot? :lol:

If you were unaware of this unintuitive statistical fact and found that out of the last four parties you attended twice you shared a birthday with someone, you might attribute it to something mystical.

No, not really, at least i would'nt. I would consider that a reasonable coinicinence

Still, it would just be a statistical norm that isn't immediately apparent.

I'm not saying that mystical events don't occur, but I am saying that there's no evidence for them, and it's far more reasonable to believe coincidences are coincidences than they are mystical events.

Yes but mystical experiences cannot be evidentially verified becuase you cannot find tangible evidence of intangible phenomenon. Thereofre is something intagible happens that is beyond the explanaitons of science and other rational modes of thought (such as coincidence becuase the probability is just too unlikley) then it is more logical to assume something mystical occured.






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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099544 - 04/26/05 05:33 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Did you know that 99% of statistcis are made up on the spot?

I don't make things up:

http://www.csicop.org/si/9809/coincidence.html


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099548 - 04/26/05 05:36 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

i was only joking :lol:


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099567 - 04/26/05 05:43 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Yes but mystical experiences cannot be evidentially verified

So then you have no way of knowing if an experience is mystical or not other than your own conclusion-jumping. CASE CLOSED!


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: egghead1]
    #4099574 - 04/26/05 05:46 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

i was only joking

Please re-read the rules. That is not allowed here. This is for serious discussion only. Thank you.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Diploid]
    #4099582 - 04/26/05 05:50 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

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Did you know that in a room with 23 people, the odds of sharing a birthday by chance with someone else in the room is 50/50? This out of 365 days in the year!





in a math course the teacher tried this out and started with january 1st, nobody raised thier hands, then jan 2nd, i raise my hand along with another kid. 365 days and 30 students, only took 2 queries.


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Re: David Blaine, magic and illusion (for SlapHappy) [Re: Swami]
    #4099586 - 04/26/05 05:50 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Well, of course whether something is Mystical or not is totally subjective. There is no "Authority of mystical experiences" which says whether an experience was mystical or not. Mystcial experiences are just that, personal 'experiences' that the indivudal considers to be mystical, what is the problem with that, its not an assumption but an interpretation of experience. Im pretty sure that if you had an experience of merging into the vast space of universal concioussness, you would most liklely consider that to be 'mystical'. But maybe you would just write it off as a dellusion, who knows? its totally subjective. :wink:


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