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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #1961907 - 09/29/03 06:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

OH MY! better not let those astronauts know they're being quarantined or else their mind might make them sick with Marsian Flu!

If the mind has some subconscious power and omniscience, and all we need do is tap into that knowledge and ability, WHERE ARE THE FLYING PEOPLE! I dont see no body walkin around with insane powers.

Oh, but you do. They can heal themselve with their minds. They can mysteriously map the flow of chi.

At this point I'd like to remind you that I dont always believe what I argue. I've seen tai chi masters knock men over Ryu style, so i recognize the unexplained powers. But I do like to argue.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1961934 - 09/29/03 06:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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If the mind has some subconscious power and omniscience, and all we need do is tap into that knowledge and ability, WHERE ARE THE FLYING PEOPLE! I dont see no body walkin around with insane powers.

this is also what I've been trying to lead to, thank you for pointing that out...and what my stance on that is basically what I've said before in one of my previous posts "Our minds are far more 'restricted' and confined with the scientific 'knowledge' we have learned, from an early age and then on, than our ancient ancient ancestor's minds were". Like Jellric said earlier, Maybe actual non-davidblaine magic was REALLY PRACTICED back then, but at the age of christianity and science, it ceased simply because people stopped believing in it! Sure, this may sound far-fetched to you, but try to keep in mind the basic premise BEHIND what I'm saying here... Thousands of years ago, People's minds had the "freedom" to believe as strongly as we do about gravity, about sticking needles in their body and eatin hallucinogenic cactii and chantin with incense, curing illnesses and diseases...so, of course, today you wont see many people being able to cure and heal with pure thought alone...BUT it has been documented before...telekenisis is another example of the power, of the mind...so is it so inconcievable that if one can defy the "laws" of gravity or common sense, or logic, as far as being able to bend spoons with pure mental-willpower, that one could just as easily be able to heal with thought? Shroomism himself stated something along these lines in one of the above posts....
so, of course it's not so inconcievable...it's just very rare, and for a good reason...because of how our "reality" has been shaped by thousands of years of believing in "science" and so on... 




Oh, but you do. They can heal themselve with their minds.
Tibetan Monks have been known to heat wet sheets on their body, simply by concentrating their mind on making their body radiate heat...Just imagine what else they can do, with THE POWER OF THEIR MINDS... 




They can mysteriously map the flow of chi...


Exactly...and thats what I'm questioning and trying to analyze here...because look at what shroomism says about this...


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I think that it far surpasses our current western medical understanding of human anatomy and healing. And considering they had this thousands of years ago, that's a pretty big statement.
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Indeed, and one must wonder, what was behind it all that led them to achieve, and accomplish such great feats? I'm talking about the very very very FIRST squares that took place to spawn it all...Did a single random thought evolve into an idea that evolved into a theory that evolved into hypothesis that evoved into a trial and error of the hypthesis and then, evolved into a medical breakthrough? What factors came in that led to them having such advanced knowledge? It's pretty hard to ignore how the ancient ancestors of Asia not only had magical gems of medicine, even philisophy that was thousands of years ahead of its time...or, was it simply that the rest of the world was thousands of yeras BEHIND its time? Who's to say? Again, I say, it's all tied to the Power we possess..in our Minds... =) 



At this point I'd like to remind you that I dont always believe what I argue. I've seen tai chi masters knock men over Ryu style, so i recognize the unexplained powers. But I do like to argue. 




I like to argue too :grin:    

oh, and about people walking around with insane powers and flying...well, like Morpheus in the Matrix said...Some rules can be bent...some can be broken..
Of course you wont see such far-fetched things...I'm not debating the ability to turn into Superman...but it's like what my own personal quote says: "Reality is like a semi-flexible rod, you may not be able to break it, but you can bend it and shape it to your desires, or unfortunately, the rest of the Sheep of Society's desires" 


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1962348 - 09/29/03 11:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Tibetan monks are pretty far removed from the industrialized world. In fact, when their nation was swiftly occupied by the industrialized world, their many pleas for help from the great democratic super powers fell on deaf ears.

Tibet would have been a perfect example of the point I was trying to articulate. While the Tibetan people did not bask in luxury with their many tools and trinkets, they excelled leaps and bounds in matters of symbolism and intuition. I don't consider these to be mysticisms as much as I consider them to be descrying abstractions. The Tibetan people lived in equality and peace for centuries, studying intuitive matters of the mind and spirit, representing their insights with beautiful symbolism in ceromony as well as art.

There is one example of human behaviour which Western Civilization has demonstrated sweeping failure attempting to adopt: partnership. Borne of the nineteen sixities was the sub-cultural emphasis on symbiosis and equality of the masculine and the feminine, mankind to the earth, and one to eachother. This adjustment was answered with and became the catylist to some of the most hysterically violent and paranoid reactions from established mainstream values. There followed the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam war, the cocaine-addled 1970's, the emergence of crack in the 1980's, and finally the intellectual and spiritual stagnation which has rotted us since the 1990's.

The human genome project, like any other modern human endeavour, is motivated and substantiated by the profit motive. While the profit motive has preceeded many astonishing innovations, it is contrary to the basic human need for community. No one has disagreed that modern advancements have been significant. It has just been highlighted that our civilization would be undeserving of award when constrasted to less irrationaly violent, animalistic, materially obsessed civilizations as our own.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #1962432 - 09/29/03 12:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You don't want to know what I think. But since you asked I'll tell you anyway.

I think the asians were an advanced civilization of humans from another galaxy, possibly Andromeda, who came to Earth approximately ~40,000 years ago with an already set knowledge of spiritual wisdom and living in harmony with nature.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: Shroomism]
    #1962807 - 09/29/03 03:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Accupuncture in the ear stimulates glands which influence the immune system.

There are more extraordinary feats performed by older cultures that are deemed "primitive".

The Dogon tribe in Africa discovered Sirius B long before science did, using nothing but stone tools. How? Makes you wonder.

Egyptians could blow glass into the shape of a lightbulb, and could illuminate a room with that lightbulb for several hours using a battery made from a clay urn plated with copper on the inside, filled with vinegar. They used the battery nearly two millenia before we did!

Shamen of native African tribes in Zimbabwe (or something, can't remember the exact country) use miniature skulls laden with esoteric symbols in their medical practice. Turns out the symbols are used to show where one needs to drill open the skull to treat a specific kind of head injury (draining pressure, stuff like that). It's been passed down from generation to generation for centuries, without technology.

Amphitheaters in Greece and Rome could - and still can - by architecture alone create open air acoustics current day architects can't reproduce.

Monolithic monuments, pyramids, etc, etc. All things that cannot be explained through science (or couldn't be until last century) achieved by mere "primitives", often with a non-rational worldview. Can't be coincidence if you ask me.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: Shroomism]
    #1962863 - 09/29/03 03:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

why should asians need to be extraterrestrial (from another galaxy even!) when we humans are perfectly capable of using our mysterious mind powers to develop spiritual wisdom and nature harmony?

western civilization has FAILED to create partnership? Ima argue with that. right now everyone is closest to equal we have ever been. we use money to see who is more equal than others instead of deciding with heredity like we used to. money has become the great equalizer. the femanist movement has made even the inferior women equal to us the eyes of society. sure, maybe they still earn 75 cents on the dollar, but they arent stuck being economical and sexual slaves to us men. No one, in our advanced culture, is supposed to be prejudized against because of race, religion, sexual orientation.

Ped's examples of "violence" caused by the "attempt towards creating partnership" are rediculous. saying that JFK was assasinated by society for being concentrating his nations efforts on external circumasstances like getting to the moon instead of internal circumstances like, what, research into the minds ability to astral plane to the moon, is CRAZINESS! (everyone knows he was killed for not being a freemason. every president has been a freemason except for the ones who were assasinated, or where an assasination was attempted.)

I'm not saying that mapping the flow of chi happend because of intense scientific investigation, but chi is real. when i see tai chi masters exersize strange powers i dont doubt that there is a force behind it. But it isnt the mind somehow controling the forces of nature, its the mind understanding the forces of nature and manipulating them.

if you haven't noticed Ped, the profit motive is what keeps people going. ppl are greedy and avaricious and prideful. they see their neighbour (or we could substitute for the word partner here) with nicer things, and they work to get better things for themselves and their families. the system we have developed to control these "sins" are what keep us from degrading into the "state of nature" where each man is responsible for himself and works only for his basic needs, refusing to cooperate for the benefit of everyone.

maybe you're right about cultures that opt for this style of living. maybe they do excel leaps and bounds in matters of symbolism and intuition. I still trust good old penacilin b4 i trust some guy who says he can reach inside my stomach and pull out my tumor.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1962881 - 09/29/03 03:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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why should asians need to be extraterrestrial (from another galaxy even!) when we humans are perfectly capable of using our mysterious mind powers to develop spiritual wisdom and nature harmony?




Why not?

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western civilization has FAILED to create partnership? Ima argue with that. right now everyone is closest to equal we have ever been. we use money to see who is more equal than others instead of deciding with heredity like we used to. money has become the great equalizer.




Everyone is the closest to being equal than we have ever been? Money is the great equalizer? LOFL! Oh my god, I am so sorry, but I don't think I will comment further, as I am in a bad mindset and am sort of indifferent and cynical at the moment...

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if you haven't noticed Ped, the profit motive is what keeps people going. ppl are greedy and avaricious and prideful. they see their neighbour (or we could substitute for the word partner here) with nicer things, and they work to get better things for themselves and their families. the system we have developed to control these "sins" are what keep us from degrading into the "state of nature" where each man is responsible for himself and works only for his basic needs, refusing to cooperate for the benefit of everyone.





You are seriously like delusional or something.. I'll leave it all to someone else, though, I am feeling too indifferent to even comment..
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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1962959 - 09/29/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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right now everyone is closest to equal we have ever been. we use money to see who is more equal than others instead of deciding with heredity like we used to. money has become the great equalizer.




Money stays in the rich families, everywhere in the world. Money is no great equalizer, because you need money to make money.

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recalcitrant said:No one, in our advanced culture, is supposed to be prejudized against because of race, religion, sexual orientation.



There's a difference between the utopia and reality. It's not without reason that utopia originally meant 'nowhere'

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recalcitrant said:if you haven't noticed Ped, the profit motive is what keeps people going. ppl are greedy and avaricious and prideful. they see their neighbour (or we could substitute for the word partner here) with nicer things, and they work to get better things for themselves and their families.



Believe it or not, some people have morals and value freedom more than the material.
/me raises hand.

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recalcitrant said:the system we have developed to control these "sins" are what keep us from degrading into the "state of nature" where each man is responsible for himself and works only for his basic needs, refusing to cooperate for the benefit of everyone.



I seriously don't know what you're talking about. And I doubt you know, either. Try this little experiment. Go out into the middle of fucking nowhere (pardon my goblin) and try and fend for yourself there. Soon enough it will become apparent that you'll need others to be able to sustain your basic needs. If things were as easy as just picking fruit off the vine and just shooting a herbivore without a possible danger from poisonous vines or predators which would like a bite of your flesh, society would never have evolved to its current state.

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recalcitrant said:maybe you're right about cultures that opt for this style of living. maybe they do excel leaps and bounds in matters of symbolism and intuition. I still trust good old penacilin b4 i trust some guy who says he can reach inside my stomach and pull out my tumor. 



That's a matter of personal taste :smile: 


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: Alan Stone]
    #1964337 - 09/30/03 12:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

recalcitrant, it's my opinion that you've misjudged the basic essence of human nature. It's not my belief that humans are fundamentally motivated by greed and hunger for power. I believe these to be adjuncts of the human yearn for security and happiness. It is only a recent phenomenon that the pursuit of riches and power has been equated with happiness and life success.

>> they see their neighbour (or we could substitute for the word partner here) with nicer things, and they work to get better things for themselves and their families.

>> the system we have developed to control these "sins" are what keep us from degrading into the "state of nature" where each man is responsible for himself and works only for his basic needs, refusing to cooperate for the benefit of everyone


I believe that the tendancy to covet is in fact a throwback from animalistic pre-human dominantor hierarchies. It is certainly not an example of partnership.

Of course it's the profit motive which is behind the drive of today's civilization. Money, though, is anything but the great equalizer. There is a vacuum of resources in the western hemisphere which deprives the rest of the world of basic needs such as food and shelter. The same vacuum is what ejects still uncounted pollutants into the atmosphere at enormous rates, the short and long-term effects of which are entirely unpredictable.

The reactions to the 1960's adjustments toward symbiosis and parternship I described were not meant to be heard as direct correlations. Instead, I meant to articulate a sort of clenching of the great fist, a species-wide example of the deep insecurity and sense of danger felt by the male ego which resides at the center of our civiliation. The parallel's I've drawn were meant to suggest a broader phenomenological integrity.

Along with the potential for space exploration has come the potential for thermonuclear holocaust.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: Ped]
    #1964526 - 09/30/03 12:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i would like to point out that nearly every civilization on earth had some form of magic/shamanism. yes even europe, yes even the christians.

not only ARE there poeple with superpowers, who can do things you prefer not to even dream of, but there have always been and always will be until the end.

no civilization is more or less advanced magically or energetically speaking, but its all about individuals who actually dare to aspire. and if every now and again something they find gets passed into the culture so be it.

truth be told, most of you are cattle, its a sad story.

(sorry for the rant, normally i'm not so scathing, and i do understand karma enough to understand its for the best, but the shroomery poeple get no lienance from me for reasons i have stated in other posts)

edit: as far as healing goes i know a jewish kid that walks around new york with a sign offering his services for free that taught himself to heal energetically. no acupuncture or anything. they made a documentary about him, i can't remeber what its called. he's cured cancer, he's like early 20's. he makes cuts and aches go away instantly.

once again you're cattle.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: truekimbo2]
    #1964750 - 09/30/03 02:22 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Your post piqued my interest until it started blanketing people with uninformed judgements of their character. You may be right; you may be wrong; but above all it's not your place to make such statements.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: truekimbo2]
    #1964804 - 09/30/03 02:37 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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as far as healing goes i know a jewish kid that walks around new york with a sign offering his services for free that taught himself to heal energetically.  no acupuncture or anything.  they made a documentary about him, i can't remeber what its called.  he's cured cancer, he's like early 20's.  he makes cuts and aches go away instantly.




This is the type of stuff I am talking about, people! People like that Jewish kid, PROVE what I am talking about...Power of the Mind over "Reality"...I think most people simply think about it, and acknowledge it..even ACCEPT it...but they don't bother trying to EXPAND on it...USE it...Take ADVANTAGE of it...Why? Because they still have all those years from since day one when they were born, of learning what they CAN'T do...of learning what our modern science proves to be "reality", all those years of learning all that restrictive and confining bullshit stored into their brain, that it's pretty hard to Overwrite that data and reprogram your mind with "new software"...Not IMPOSSIBLE..but pretty hard..depending on how many years of the "Common Version of Reality" we've programmed our mind with...
But THINK about this people...most of us here are at least fairly young...the sooner we could try to reprogram our brains with the "New Software"...the easier it'd be...By the time you're in your 30's or 40's, you may be able to heal your headache simply by putting your mental Energy into it, FUCK the aspirin.  Call me a wacko with Delusions of Granduer...but Einstein was called a "Wacko" too...all Geniuses are misunderstood..but thats besides the point...I wanna know if ANY of you are gonna take this SERIOUSLY...and at least TRY to use this FACT, that your mind, can bend and shape and control "reality" to your advantage...and I, actually already have in so many ways, because I've always been too well aware that you DO manifest your own reality...but I wouldnt call myself an expert on the matter or anything...

and btw, I think most people in this forum, are NOT CATTLE....most people, or "cattle" as you say, wouldnt be discussing these matters in depth...most people dont think outside the box....so you've made a Moooot  Point :smirk: 


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #1964983 - 09/30/03 04:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This is why I would never be a christian, because if the mind really is the force behind our reality and perception, and that can be whatever we believe, they have a big chance at existing in their defined hell LOL. I dunno.

In a way, the thought that all of this is kind of like someone making it their own reality is very hindu is it not?


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: caolite]
    #1965073 - 09/30/03 04:50 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not too familiar with Hindu...but if that's the case...Where do I sign up? :grin:
But I know the Nepalian Monks practice Hinduism, and if you've at least read this thread, then you know how the Monk's approaches towards life and it's intricacies are deeply rooted in Spiritual and Mental Power....so, theres the answer to your question I suppose...

btw, your avatar makes this noise in my head that corresponds with the colors changing...like DunDunDunDunBaBOOM.....or something, how do I turn it off? :nut: 


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: truekimbo2]
    #1965308 - 09/30/03 09:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not cattle. I'm human. Speak for yourself please.


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Re: The Power of the Mind [Re: Alan Stone]
    #1965331 - 09/30/03 09:55 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Accupuncture in the ear stimulates glands which influence the immune system.

I know, it feels damn good too. Not just the immune system, every function of the body. Try massaging your ear for a few minutes..there are about 60 acupressure points on one ear.

The Dogon tribe in Africa discovered Sirius B long before science did, using nothing but stone tools. How? Makes you wonder.

How? According to them, some dolphins came from the sky in a spaceship, dug a hole in the ground, filled it with water, jumped in it, and communicated telepathically with the tribe about where they came from.

Amphitheaters in Greece and Rome could - and still can - by architecture alone create open air acoustics current day architects can't reproduce.

The ancient Greeks and Romans were mimicking other cultures they had witnessed..in this case the Nephilim.

Monolithic monuments, pyramids, etc, etc. All things that cannot be explained through science (or couldn't be until last century) achieved by mere "primitives", often with a non-rational worldview. Can't be coincidence if you ask me.

And it's not. I'll give you a hint though, they didn't build the pyramids with copper and stone tools.


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