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Question for those who believe in astrology.
    #4034769 - 04/09/05 05:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Astrology calculates personality based on the constallations of the stars in the exact time/space position of our births, right?

My question is, if there were two births happening at the exact same time in the same hospital, wouldn't this mean that those two persons would have the same personality, the same traits, weaknesses and so on?

Time to call the hospital  :grin:


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: dorkus]
    #4034776 - 04/09/05 05:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

personally i think astrology is a pile of shit, but i think the idea is that the time/position of your birth in relation to celestial bodies influences your personality, rather than determines it.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: dorkus]
    #4034778 - 04/09/05 05:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I met a woman who was born at exactly the same time as me on exactly the same day i the exact same hospital. We were very close for a long time, like brother and sister. Its strange that you should mention this becuase i was thinking about her yesturday. We were actually quite similar people, but i asked my mother and she was pretty sure she only gave birth to one child that day :lol:

Sadly ive lost contact with this woman, but i think about here very now and again. :rolleyes:


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: egghead1]
    #4034801 - 04/09/05 06:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Think of the planets like signal conductors for universal energies/frequencies. But there's more to a person's character than his astrological traits like alsey said. I've only recently looked into astrology and it seems immensely promising.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: the_phoenix]
    #4034829 - 04/09/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

...it seems immensely promising...

Every test of astrology has fallen flat. Tests of murderers, elite athletes, world leaders, etc. shows no patterning whatsoever.

Astrology is based upon NOTHING. Even astrologers cannot tell you where the idea came from that a sun in Mercury means that someone will be more aggressive. It is a total fabrication. Astrologers don't even agree with each other because there is no foundation.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: Swami]
    #4034839 - 04/09/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami said:
Astrology is based upon NOTHING. Even astrologers cannot tell you where the idea came from that a sun in Mercury means that someone will be more aggressive. It is a total fabrication. Astrologers don't even agree with each other because there is no foundation.




Not only that, but the signs that correspond with given periods of time no longer even match up with that period of time, as there is a type of spin that the Earth goes through that was unaccounted for when this system was "devised"...

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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: dorkus]
    #4034910 - 04/09/05 06:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Assuming you believe it to be true, due to spatial considerations, they'd have slight variances, as no 2 beings can be in the exact space at one time (although, astrology as a pseudo-science doesn't have the ability to be that precise in it's determinant of our nature, thus they would ultimately end up being one in the same in respects to natal charts). Their have been some times as with electrical phenomena having a slight influence onto the child at birth, however, nor correlation in respects to celestial mechanics has been proven that corresponds to a particular persona.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4038466 - 04/10/05 09:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Swami and Astrology.... [Re: Swami]
    #4038967 - 04/11/05 12:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami said:
Astrology is based upon NOTHING. Even astrologers cannot tell you where the ****idea**** came from that a sun in Mercury means that someone will be more aggressive. It is a total fabrication. Astrologers don't even agree with each other because there is no foundation.



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You say it is based on "NOTHING", then say it comes from "ideas"....  Ideas don't have to agree, just as you pointed out.... 
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An "idea" IS....  A "fabrication" of "foundation" from "nothing" and/or "nowhere"....    :wink:    :heart:
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Clever you are to use words in a way to *seem* like you are coming off as conflicting on the surface,
but the meaning of your words *seem* to support the "idea" itself - unless I have misread your intended meaning....    :grin:    :heart:


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Re: Swami and Astrology.... [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4039146 - 04/11/05 12:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

*I think it would the sun in Mars, irrelevant though*

Regardless of it's truth, Astrology asserts a degree of accurateness in it's proposed knowledge of what affects an individual's nature...

However, Astrology doesn't make alterations in terms of planets getting hit by asteroids, throwing the path off a little, and other such celestial phenomena such as outside bodies entering the system and exerting a gravitational effect on said static bodies (in terms of how astrology is applied)...

In which case, by the fact of the dynamic nature of our solar system, and how astrology relies on the interactions of our solar system our signs should be dynamic, as well as the interpretations of, as new objects comming in alter planetary interactions. However, it's a relatively static scince, and doesn't use all the variables that would be necessary to provide as much accuracy as would be necessary to qualify it as a real science.

It's founded on generalizations, and such that nothing can prove it's absolute affects beyond what is suggested. I can talk in terms of the universe as a cake that isn't yet fully baked, and make many general abstractions that will relate to phenomena such as it rising and hence the universal growth known to exist... however, I hope we can all agree that the universe, indeed isn't a cake.


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Re: Swami and Astrology.... [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4039234 - 04/11/05 01:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I really don't "know" to much about Astrology.... 
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But I can say that the Universe is an Idea, an Idea full of endless ideas....  :grin:    :heart:


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Re: Swami and Astrology.... [Re: dorkus]
    #4039263 - 04/11/05 01:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'm of the opinion that the time at which someone is born is one of many factors influencing their personality. I don't, however, attribute it to any sort of planetary alignment, but merely seasonal, social, cultural, and historical factors.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: dorkus]
    #4040045 - 04/11/05 07:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If your interested in astrology then the next stage is to start researching 'cold reading'.

Then you can learn how easy it is to manipulate with words.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: dorkus]
    #4040147 - 04/11/05 09:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug:
believe what you will. I looked into most astrology and found it to be worthless bull. Mayan Astrology I'm not so sure about. Actually, I'm damn sure it's on target. How can you test it? Youd need the birthDATE of a million people and their occupation to start, but you'd need to find some ingenious way to separate action/reaction elements. Few people get a job because they love it, but it's precisely those who love it that are important to test.

As for me I find it kind of strange how mayan astrology just so happens to list what my key strengths are, what I do when I'm down, what question I've always and constantly asked myself, and also targets immediate relations around me.

Is it testable? well I don't think so. But I suspect that's a flaw in testing. Every single system ever in existence has had a major flaw.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: dorkus]
    #4040150 - 04/11/05 09:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

oh, and I pose you this question: have you ever met someone who was born on the same exact day you were?

I haven't. Don't knock something down because you think it sounds ridiculous. Those people are extremely rare.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: vampirism]
    #4040293 - 04/11/05 11:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It works for me.

Argue that, if you like.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: vampirism]
    #4040401 - 04/11/05 11:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i know a couple girls who were born on the same day as me

its fucking crazy how alike we are and how many weird parallels our lives had.......................???


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: slaphappy]
    #4041419 - 04/11/05 04:39 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It "works", meaning what exactly?


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: Swami]
    #4042236 - 04/11/05 07:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It "works" for me too.
Works meaning the astrological prediction of me seem to be accurate.


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Re: Question for those who believe in astrology. [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4042267 - 04/11/05 07:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If you believed that, you would be willing to make a wager on it. To date some 87 astrological believers have backed down (because EVEN THEY have no real faith in it). Might as well make it one more.  :tongue:


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