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 Re: Astrology  [Re: Adamist]
#772613 - 07/24/02 07:31 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sun - Capricorn,
Moon - Pisces,
Mercury - Sagitarrius,
Venus - Aquarius,
Mars - Pisces,
Jupiter - Capricorn,
Saturn - Scorpio,
Uranus - Sagitarrius,
Neptune - Capricorn,
Pluto - Scorpio
Ascendant - Gemini
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"Things most skeptics dont know about astrology:
1. Astrology probably gave birth to Astronomy. There is nothing supernatural about casting a horoscope, most of it is done according to precise astronomical and mathematical principles.
2. Many famous scientists have been into Astrology: Tyco Brahe, Karl Jung, Kepler, Huxley, and Copernicus.. Many others remain anonymous.
3. Astrologers do not necessarily believe in fate. They believe the stars impel not compel.
4. There are 10,000 practicing paid Astrologers and millions of horoscope followers. There are hundreds of books on the topic. Only 10% of Americans believe there can't be anything to it.
5. Astrology doesn't have to involve pphacthic phenomenon or even direct causation. Many Astrologers believe in a natural synchronicity between the stars and events. Other countries place even more value in it.
6. It is a undisputed scientific fact that the planets have a measurable magnetic, gravitational and electromagnetic influence on the earth. Most people agree that bizarre behavior tends to peak on full moons.
7. Astrology is not limited to natal. There is also electional, horary, mundane, medical, meteorological, Chinese 12 year and millennial.
8. The vast majority of those who look at their own chart (not just a newspaper column) find uncanny accurate hits..."
taken from : http://www.phact.org/e/astrolgy.htm
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Things most believers dont know about astrology:
1. A person's future and personal strengths and weaknesses cannot be determined by astronomical and mathematical principles. No two astrologers will give the same reading on the same person, showing a wide range of subjective interpretation. There is nothing at all precise in that.
2. Many famous scientists have been into Astrology, however, the vast majority find it to be a pseudo-science based on superstition with nothing of substance to it.
3. Astrologers do not necessarily believe in fate. They believe in making money by telling weak-minded people what they want to hear.
4. There are 10,000 practicing paid Astrologers and millions of horoscope followers, all of them frauds either consciously or unconsciously.
There are hundreds of books on the topic, most in diametric opposition to the other books.
Only 10% of Americans believe there can't be anything to it once again demonstrating the gullibility of the American people. Every single double-blind test has failed to show any correlation between birthdate and fate or characteristics.
5. Astrology doesn't have to involve direct causation because there is no link whatsoever between behavior and planetary motion.
6. It is a undisputed scientific fact that the planets have a measurable magnetic, gravitational and electromagnetic influence on the earth.
Most people agree that bizarre behavior tends to peak on full moons, even though extensive studies have repeatedly failed to find any kind of "Lunar Effect".
7. Astrology is not limited to natal. There is also electional, horary, mundane, medical, meteorological, Chinese 12 year and millennial. The number of bogus branches is as limitless as people's money to spend on forecasting.
8. The vast majority of (90+%) people tested, found their horoscope to be quite accurate even when all those polled were of different Zodiak signs, yet were given the EXACT SAME READING.
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Re: Astrology [Re: Swami]
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I expected you to post that Swami. Otherwise i wouldnt have provided the address to my post. There are pros and cons of every situation.
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"The above 4 references all found no correlation between sun sign and personality traits as measured by standardized psychological tests, mostly the California Personality Inventory (CPI). "
In my experiance when the psychological communiy trys to prove something that they would call unknown or spiritual they bring in the rumplestilskin effect they name it and it dissapeares and they have no proof that it was ever thier
but thats just a bit of my insane-brain
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"I don't recall any bashing; RebelSteve just posted some facts. "
You're right when you say RebelSteve just posted some facts, sorry, the bashing came afterwards, the nature of the first post didn't diserve such a confrontation, i mean, RebelSteve wrote a 200 line post with several examples of studies that looked like a bibliography just to make his point about Adamist statment "I know most of you don't give a second thought to Astrology ". My problem isn't getting a valid proof about the fallacy of astrology, i know it has its flaws and i believe Adamist also knows that, the problem is the attitude and intention of the post. When i say it's annoying i don't mean to say it's irrelevant, the conclusion RebelSteve wants to reach is very relevant, those are valids facts but it's usefulness is relative, i mean, i got the message but do i have to memorize all the examples. Again, what was the intention ? . What is really annoying, is both bashing and redicularizing people, like i said in other similar post, it's getting a common practice in this forum and i'm not the only one to say that, i think it's bad to debate in some terms but i don't need to go tell anything to a mod about this like a crying baby, thanks.
"Astrology is not a science. Science doesn't work if you deny it quantitative analysis. Science is two things: i) a system (yes using quantitative analysis) for gaining knowledge based on objective observations of data and previously established knowledge, "
Do a search at Altavista on the query "esoteric science" wich is what astrology is considered, you shouldn't find any .
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 Re: Astrology [Re: Adamist]
#772842 - 07/24/02 09:15 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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My natal report is pretty darn accurate. Ya, someone could read it and say to themselves "That sounds a lot like me too". But are you sure, or are you fooling yourself? You have to look at your inner self and examine it. The good WITH the bad. You know who you are.
On a side note, i find the Ascendent, The Sun, and The Moon, the most accurate. From there on, it gets a little more general.
Here are some lines from my natal report:
GEMINI rising
People with Gemini rising tend to be friendly, communicative,
flexible, indecisive, unsure, liking to do two or more things at once,
witty, clever, very active mentally, high-strung, temperamental,
nervous or anxious, talkative, superficial, and always ready for
something different.
If you knew me on a personal level, you'd know this is exactly like me. I AM indecisive and unsure...i AM high-strung and tempermental, and i AM nervous and at times superficial.
Sun in Capricorn
Capricorns have the desire to climb whatever mountains are necessary
and to stand on their own two feet in order to work out their
ambitions and their salvation. They are conservative, organized,
methodical, traditional, responsible, honest, efficient, patient,
practical, authoritative, disciplined, serious and goal-oriented. On
the negative side they can be worried, pessimistic, retaliatory,
suspicious, stubborn and intolerant. They are happiest in careers
calling for organizing ability, integrity and perseverance. They have
a fear of failure
Before i read anything on astrology, i realized what my biggest fear in life was. Failure. I even told a few close people of this fear. Also, it says im worried. I admit, I am a worrier. I worry about anything and everything. You may look and relate to this by thinking everyone worries. I disagree. People do worry, but i am constantly worrying about everything. I used to have serious acne from worrying so much. I had to learn to give in, learn to understand that things cant always go the way you plan. Shit happens.
"Their quiet exterior makes Capricorns appear to be loners. "
"They strive for security... " - Indeed
"Capricorns like to plan their every move, weighing all the pros and cons of any issue in advance. "
"When asked, they give sound, practical advice"
"At times Capricorns can be very sensitive to hurts and feel alone as if no one understands them. A negative Capricorn will seek retribution for wrongs done him. "
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 Re: Astrology [Re: MAIA]
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My problem isn't getting a valid proof about the fallacy of astrology, i know it has its flaws and i believe Adamist also knows that, the problem is the attitude and intention of the post.
How do you know what his intentions were? Maybe he just thought the post looked cool. I think it did.
i mean, i got the message but do i have to memorize all the examples. Again, what was the intention ?
My point was that no, you DON'T have to memorize the examples. You don't even have to read them.
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"How do you know what his intentions were? Maybe he just thought the post looked cool. I think it did."
Subjective and probably true.
"My point was that no, you DON'T have to memorize the examples. You don't even have to read them. "
That's one of the problems, no learning. I read them all after though.
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Re: Astrology [Re: Adamist]
#774822 - 07/25/02 01:06 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's mine :
Sun - Cancer
Moon - Sagittarius
Mercury - Cancer
Venus - Virgo
Mars - Taurus
Jupiter - Aries
Saturn - Cancer
Uranus - Libra
Neptune - Sagittarius
Pluto - Libra
Lilith - Pisces
Asc node Scorpio
Birth Chart
This birth chart shows the positions of the planets
The planets in the signs
The position of the planets in the signs of the Zodiac has an influence on the character of the individual and these influences form a large part of the individual psyche.
Sun in Cancer
He weighs words carefully and is tenacious. A calm and discreet nature, tender, thoughtful, sensitive and impressionable. He likes group life.
Weaknesses: He is humble, timid, changeable, indecisive, lazy, over-sensitive and prickly. Easily influenced by the family.
Moon in Sagittarius
Likes to throw himself into the unknown and into adventure; he is agile, tough and enthusiastic. Attracted to long voyages, to discover the unknown.
Weaknesses: takes great risks in throwing himself into the unknown and into adventure. Audacious, bold and rebellious. Unable to stay in one place, is always ready to risk everything to achieve his goal.
Mercury in Cancer
He adapts to every situation that arises, has a good understanding, is discerning and is full of insight. He is lucid and thinks things through. He likes to please and to create a good impression.
Weaknesses: strong tendency to be influenced by those around him. Of changeable and unstable ideas, he is quickly convinced by fine words, even if at the beginning he did not share the person's point of view.
Venus in Virgo
Gives help to sick and old people. He is very devoted, does not show emotions; he is prudish and never lets himself go, either through fear of ridicule or through fear of not being loved in return as much as he loves. Always suspects the feelings of others. He is therefore sometimes too undemonstrative, so the other (thinking she is not loved) will leave.
Weaknesses: likes to flirt and provoke. He is perfectly in command of his own feelings, which often lack passion or force. His love is never for free but must automatically bring a bonus, be it only an intellectual pleasure.
Mars in Taurus
He is a choleric type, loud-mouthed. He is masterful, dominates and imposes himself forcefully. He carries on to the end of a goal, achieves it and undertakes another action with the same strong will and enthusiasm.
Weaknesses: he is tenacious and stubborn. The rages, which are usually restricted to words, are frightening.
Jupiter in Aries
He is open, loyal, correct and honest. He is ambitious, of good character and likes being amused.
Weaknesses: he is often in a bad mood. Irritation, disagreement, rages.
Saturn in Cancer
Invests more in his interior reality than in the outside world. He saves to buy property.
Weaknesses: melancholy and solitude. A solitude that is nevertheless welcome because he likes to stay peacefully at home.
Uranus in Libra
Well-developed artistic leanings. His balance can be upset by too great an independence.
Neptune in Sagittarius
Likes long voyages, things foreign, water.
Pluto in Libra
Brings changes.
Sign and ascendant
Cancer ascendant Scorpio
The planets in the houses
The planetary positions in the houses express the facts relative to destiny.
Sun in IX
Prolonged scientific research. High ideals. He is gifted for languages and it is even more interesting for him to live abroad. Professionally successful abroad.
Moon in I
Very sensitive. Fantasizes. He is easily frightened, he is fearful, shy, prudent and emotional.
Mercury in VIII
Has a fear of death, but who doesn't? He can be tormented at night. He likes research, investigation, enquiries. Studies well.
Venus in X
His best years are in the parental home and also the last years of life. That said, the rest are not unhappy, but contain certain hurdles. Love can help in professional life, he has a gift for seduction. He likes to entertain; he likes comfort and the attractions of home-life.
Mars in VI
He works with great pleasure and flat out but meets with problems at work, where professional rivalry blocks his ideas and enjoyment.
Jupiter in V
He likes games and distractions. He has passion which lights up his days. He is lucky in love, but also professionally, with pleasant working conditions and duties. He loves his children and gets much enjoyment from them.
Saturn in VIII
Financially not very well off, average salary. The spouse is also not rich. Possibility of a small inheritance, which helps a lot. Long life and natural death, if the aspects allow.
Uranus in XII
He has difficulty in adapting to the modern world, to new technology. He looks for a job in an isolated place.
Neptune in I
He is intuitive, sensitive. Not a fighter and is indecisive.
The houses in the signs
Ascendant in Scorpio
Emotional life certainly very changeable. Lovers will come and go, and then come back again. Sexuality is very important for him, for his stability.
House II in Sagittarius
Social success in one of the professions or in an import/export company dealing regularly with foreign countries.
House III in Capricorn
Nothing is left to chance, everything is calculated, dissected slowly and methodically, twice rather than once, in peace and quiet by himself. He is introverted, and doesn't speak about his plans until they are underway.
House IV in Pisces
He is very susceptible to the mood of those around him. A hard difficult upbringing can mark him for life. When a child, has to be protected, given confidence.
House V in Aries
Full of initiative. Things are done to the full, with energy, vigor and strength of purpose; It is the same with love life. Children will be hardy and rarely ill.
House VI in Aries
Ability to command, knows how to take up his responsibilities at work. Weak point: headaches, fevers.
House VII in Taurus
Marries for love but also well financially. A peaceful union even if exchange of ideas isn't always smooth.
House VIII in Gemini
If he is a writer, a painter or involved in another of the Arts, and if fame doesn't come when living, then it will come posthumously. Small inheritance from near relations. Take care of the lungs - if a smoker, then it is advisable to stop.
House IX in Cancer
Fertile imagination. He is easily influenced. Likes travel, especially cruises.
House X in Virgo
All medical, paramedic or social work are recommended.
House XI in Libra
Looks for friends among "well-placed" people, artists known even regionally, influential people in society, the social or political world, likes high class evenings.
House XII in Libra
Marriage doesn't bring luck, honors come as he imagined they might.
Interplanetary aspects
The interplanetary aspects have a strong influence on the character and disposition of the individual and, consequently, on his destiny.
The conjunction aspect is variable and depends above all on the nature of the conjoint planets.
109 Sextile Mercury - Mars
He likes to discuss, likes polemic. He has good judgement and is determined. He is a worker and has lots of energy. He has a lively intelligence and goes to the heart of things.
-104 Square Sun - Jupiter
He is negligent, spendthrift. He goes to excesses of all sorts. He is proud and arrogant, and considers himself much superior to others.
88 Conjunction Sun - Saturn
He likes to work alone, quietly. He pays attention to detail, is serious, methodical, patient and can take on long, difficult and delicate tasks, and complete them.
-79 Square Moon - Midheaven
He has an irresolute nature, with sudden changes of humor. He is unstable and does not follow through on his own objectives. This instability shows itself not only in professional life but also in love life and friendships.
-73 Opposition Jupiter - Uranus
He is too independent and his liberty is all-important. He lacks diplomacy, and his extravagance is shocking. He likes verbal battles and espouses extremist ideas in order to shock his companions. He has a number of internal tensions.
66 Conjunction Moon - Neptune
-64 Square Sun - Uranus
His independence and need for liberty are all-important. He does not accept constraints or barriers. Mainly extravagant eccentricity.
61 Trine Sun - Moon
He has lots of vitality. He likes public life, he is popular and his company is appreciated. He is balanced, at ease with himself and gets on very well with his parents.
58 Conjunction Venus - Midheaven
He has good taste, has an affectionate nature, his love is warm and deep, based on intellectual understanding and common tastes. His friends are useful in furthering his career.
-56 Square Jupiter - Saturn
He is indifferent to what goes on around him, is mistrustful and always unsatisfied. He is easily irritated.
-35 Square Mercury - Pluto
He is impatient. He likes contradiction and is irascible. His arguments are noisy and animated.
35 Sextile Uranus - Midheaven
He must have a job that allows him complete freedom, something non-routine. He likes change, has a lot of energy and knows how to influence others in spite of his originality.
-23 Opposition Mars - Ascendant
He is quarrelsome, critical and violent. His success is obtained by dubious means.
22 Sextile Neptune - Pluto
-20 Square Venus - Neptune
He lacks self-confidence and his ideals are not easily to achieve. In love, he is unstable, unfaithful and deceitful. He is easy-going and follows others, he does not take the initiative.
17 Trine Sun - Ascendant
13 Trine Saturn - Ascendant
He is serious, sober, thoughtful, pays attention to detail. He likes to be with older people.
-11 Square Moon - Venus
While he is gay and gracious, he is also inconstant and capricious. He has a changeable nature. A varied love life and a sometimes dubious morality. He is weak and easily influenced, and can get involved in unfortunate situations because of a lack of understanding.
10 Trine Venus - Mars
He is amorous, not a peaceful and calm lover but a passionate one with a strong temperament. He is demonstrative in love, and likes healthy pleasures. He enjoys life to the full.
9 Trine Jupiter - Midheaven
He is a high liver, likes to have fun but knows what he wants and does whatever necessary to get it. He wants to - and does - succeed socially. After a hard day's work, a good well-lubricated meal in the company of friends is just the ticket.
-4 Square Saturn - Uranus
He does not like routine, whether at work or in his emotional life. He fights to keep his independence, his freedom of action. He would gladly re-make the world.
1 Trine Moon - Saturn
He controls his feelings. He has a sense of duty, of self-esteem and is prudent. [He can concentrate on a long-term task, manual or intellectual. [He perseveres and is serious in everything [he does.
Thanks Adamist.
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Re: Astrology [Re: MAIA]
#774890 - 07/25/02 03:19 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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He does not like routine, whether at work or in his emotional life. He fights to keep his independence, his freedom of action. He would gladly re-make the world.
(Nothing particular about this passage. Just an example.)
Now how in the hell does one come up with this type of synopsis from the positions of the planets? As per usual, never got a straight answer on this...
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Re: Astrology [Re: Swami]
#775480 - 07/25/02 08:19 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Astrology use scientific facts in the mapping of human consciousness and as keys to the understanding of experience. This is an interpretative process, which does not depend on accepting particular theories about how planets can affect us, or on whether they are a sort of synchronous clock ticking along with psychological and social factors on earth, or on some other causal process. The strength of astrology comes from the accumulated knowledge of centuries of research and observation. Combined with accurate mathematical and scientific data, today's astrologers can use this established knowledge in the generation of valuable psychological, economic, or predictive profiles.
If you try to find a straight scientific answer to how a planet can directly affect someones personality, you won't find any, i compare it to the nuclear explosion dilema, science knows that a nuclear explosion is destructive, that's a deductable assumption, but do science knows the exact number of atoms involved in the chain reaction ? No, there are too many variables, still you concluded, using scientific knowlodge, wich was the extent and effects of the reaction. Also, modern science, can not explain the exact influence a planet has in human personality, then it refuses to make any deduction about that influence because it doesn't have any "valid scientific" methods and tools to do so, it's prooven that magnetic fields of astral bodies such as the moon have a direct influence not only on the tides but also affects the pressure of the blood stream on animals and the growing cicle on plants. Astrology like science in the nuclear explosion example, doesn't know the full extent of the influence of the planets, it can't quantify, but by doing several observations about their influence trough the centuries, astrologists made several deductions and created a system that could correlate those deductions.
The system has flaws and could be innacurate in the interpretation, but it has a credibility to some extent because it uses scientific (astronomical and mathematical) methods as part of the study, the more variables you can obtain and understand, the more accurate can be the interpretation, that's why there are good and not so good astrologers and also good and not so good methods.
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Re: Astrology [Re: MAIA]
#775493 - 07/25/02 08:27 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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MAIA wrote:
"Do a search at Altavista on the query "esoteric science" wich is what astrology is considered, you shouldn't find any"
This is the silliest argument I have ever encountered for calling astrology a science. The increased belief in astrology in our society is a sign of the overall decline in the quality of education and the tendencey of the more intelligent to have fewer children while the ignorant breed like bunnies.
Think man, think! Do you have any idea what is contained in that bony sphere shaped growth on top of your neck? It is the most highly developed bio-computer on the planet. I know it doesn't come with a user's manual, but how intellectually undisciplined can you be?
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The increased belief in astrology in our society is a sign on the overall decline of the quality of education
Can you proove what you are saying ?
You make a subjective statment to argument my ideas ? Well, this is what i really call intellectually undisciplined. There are more inteligent ways to make your point you know.
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and the tendencey of the more intelligent to have fewer children while the ignorant breed like bunnies.
I have one daughter, does that make me intelligent ?
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Think man, think! Do you have any idea what is contained in that bony sphere shaped growth on top of your neck? It is the most highly developed bio-computer on the planet. I know it doesn't come with a user's manual, but how intellectually undisciplined can you be?
You don't need to be harsh on me, i only wrote that becasue i didn't have time to write more, i have life and responsabilities besides being sited in front of this computer, do you want me to be sorry or what ?
So, here's my argument, is astrology a science ? The simple answer is yes - and no.
Astrology, like medicine, is an art based on a science. Scientific observations, measurements and calculations are used in astrology to generate the framework for symbolic patterns. These patterns can reveal about the way our world is constructed; they can enable us to analyse, explain and predict social, political, emotional and other characteristics of life on earth. A vast database of analystical techniques and interpretative commentary has been accumulated over the centuries, through the dedicated observations and practical applications of astrological practitioners. Astrologers use scientific facts in the mapping of human consciousness and as keys to the understanding of experience.
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I know it doesn't come with a user's manual
I can email you the chapters i have  . HEX|115|119|97|6D|69|00|66|75|6E|01|
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Re: Astrology [Re: MAIA]
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Where is this mysterious astrology database that chronicals hundreds or thousands of years of stored observations?
Nowhere!
Where did all the character snippets listed in your previous post come from?
Someone's imagination.
How can one astrology chart accurately describe 1,000 people born at the same day and time?
It can't.
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Re: Astrology [Re: Swami]
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An astrological chart provides a *general* overview of *general* characteristics. Other factors include genetics and environment, of course. But I personally don't think those are the only factors.
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Re: Astrology [Re: Swami]
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"Where did all the character snippets listed in your previous post come from?"
They could be called A,B,C,D whatever, one things is denying the existence of such characters asthe importance of their existence is relative and i personaly don't identify myself with their meaning, another thing is denying the influence planets and astral bodies have over man.
"How can one astrology chart accurately describe 1,000 people born at the same day and time?"
No it can't and it's not its inttention, but as Adamist said ,there are other factors to be considerer, you can consider astrology one out of many ambiental factors.
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Re: Astrology [Re: Adamist]
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I can make up a general overview of general characteristics in my head. About anyone. Whether I've met them or not.
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Good job.
Why don't you go write horoscopes for local newspapers? 
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