gettinjiggywithit said:

I don't know how else to explain it. Why would it bother you even if John rubbed it in your face if it was the total truth?
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And where is the wound salt is being rubbed in? How are you wounded because your maximum health, height and muscular structure and training and practice allows for you to jump two feet high.
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How could you not feel anything but grateful that John at least can jump the 5 feet needed to get the bananas so you all could live and that he does share plenty of them without fail with you?

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I am not upset at all, actually I was more trying to perceive things from John's shoes and to do the "right thing" in humbleness/mindfulness in those very shoes, and was asking those questions from that vantage point....    Just an exercise of perception....   
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If one was to "proclaim" being the "best", or being "better" than someone else, it could do one of a few things to another with an ego....  1) Perhaps it would make someone try harder at finding ways of practicing and working to get as good or perhaps even "better" than John....  2) It might make someone start to dislike John because they might feel as a "lower" for not having that ability....  And I am sure there are many other situations that could arise....
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I guess the questions I was getting to as it relates to mindfulness and selflessness is, would it be better to just state what you can do (as John) and say, "I can jump 5 feet", as opposed to stating a "boastful"(is that the right word?) self rank as to say "I AM BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU"....?   
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Sorry if I was not clear in my questions....   

fireworks_god said:

egghead1 said:

A true understanding of egolessness cuts through our opinion. the absence of a notion of egolessness allows us to fully experience pain, birth and death because there are no philosophical padding's. The whole idea is that we must drop all reference points, all concepts of what is or what should be. Then it is possible to experience the uniqueness and vividness of phenomena directly. There is tremendous room to experience things, to allow experience to occur and pass away. Movement within vast space. Whatever happens, pleasure and pain, birth and death, and so forth are not interfered with, but are experienced in their fullest flavor.

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This is the coolest thing I've ever seen you say, and you've shared a lot of interesting perspective as it is.

Center in being, not the mind.


Peace.

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eMotionALLmotion said:

egghead1 said:

I have never had a problem with redgreenvines nor has he a problem with me?

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If you are not RedGreenVines, how can you claim he does not have a problem with you....?    I am not saying he does, but how do you base your conclusion....?


 

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MarkostheGnostic said:

It is really about seeing through all the false identities that we attribute 'I' to. It is this sense of the ego being an illusion that the Buddhists focus on - not awareness of the individual. I disagree with Jung when he said that we lose consciousness to the extent that we become egoless. Jung did not hold to a Transpersonal above the personal consciousness. I believe in the Transcendental Ego - the Real 'I.'

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SkorpivoMusterion said:

Explain how not having subjective opinions or beliefs is synonymous with ignorance.
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Does rational thinking require the adherence to beliefs at all? Does productive science, ethics, or a satisfied life require any attachment to a belief of any kind? Can we predict future events, act on data, theories, and facts without resorting to belief?
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Can you not state the quantifiable facts as you perceive them without being subjective or synonomous and still be ignorant to more facts that you may not see....?  Yes, it is possible, as I have discovered in quite a few ways, that is why you sometimes need the helpful observations from other's perception....  Beliefs aside, perhaps if one just states the facts, there need not be any ranks at all, but it may be pertinant in how one asks the "right" questions as to get the desired unstaind truth, so as to use that data and act in the hopefully correct way - should it require action....  Others may or may not see the facts for themselves as you have, but even the one's that have, may or may not appreciate the facts as they had known in the past - as people do change....  At some point in the relative future someone may call upon your help in that future present to be of useful service should you be willing and/or able - based on what they had observed in a past event, or series of events thru an unstaind perception of their reality, themselves....    OR, they can go out on a leap of faith....    Or they can use an aware sense of trust....  And I am sure that perhaps I have even missed some other angles as well....   
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Acting on beliefs....  HHhhhmmmm....  I am not sure how to answer that, but I will try.....    There are certain worldly conditioning/conditioned aspects that define for some a relative way of perception as to make a rough outline of choices in advanced for what one might do in a future "planned" event....  Say for instance (as an example only), my Father's birthday could be in three weeks, and knowing that this may be part of the reality I have built for myself, I believe that I will be going out to get a few gifts and a card before the event to present to him at the planned family get together so as to show my appreciation as a selfless customary tradition of family(plus I like hanging out with my family! )....  And to hopefully add to his life in a way as to help remember my selflessness and respect towards him as a son....  From my Father's perspective, he may not want anything at all, (as far as a material item) and may just appreciate the fact that I might be able to share some time with him.... 

Making these rough outlines in preparation for a planned future event may sometimes be needed, but that does not mean that the event WILL actually occur....  That is when awareness to one's surroundings may play a roll in the "here and now" choices and actions....   

ricyjo said:

don't a lot of homeless people live in the subconscious, 'egoless' world?
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looks like egolessness doesn't pay.
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burn.

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I dunno~, I have never spoken with a homeless person before, It is not something I come across on a daily basis in my little life....  Even if I did, my answer could only be concluded upon those that I had spoken too....  To which I still don't know if I could have an honest judgemental opinion to "report" anyway....