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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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Well no wonder! You've come to the wrong place. This is a mushroom forum, not a cacti forum. Achieve the Mushroom-activated Ego-death...  Then come see us.

:wink:


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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I guess I am closest semantically to deff in this.
I do see the middle way as a way or the way to point myself, not as an absolute nor as a mix of opposites:
this is a path of centering, addressing the the moment and personal history as one.

about ego loss, well what happens when the toilet flushes? it is a big context shift. and anything just floating around is going to go for a slippery trip.

some have said no thought occurs, well, not as per usual anyway, so you could even say all is lost - but something is happenning and whatever is left (presuming the ego went out with the floaty bits) feels it quite distinctly.


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: deff]
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So long as you aren't implying it's the consciousness that does the choosing,

So if I understand you correctly, then it looks like this is where we'll have to agree to disagree, because I believe that Pure-awareness, while an important aspect of Being, is nothing by itself alone, and is not the only intelligent property of Being - it also has intent, will, creativity - intelligence.. which creates the potential for choice and will.
In the state of pure Being-identification, the mind is the tool used for creating forms from the formless raw intelligent energy, Being is the conscious, present operator. In the state of mind-identification, it is the reverse...



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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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"that has intent, this is intent"
-unknown :P


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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But I love cacti so much more.

Well just two more weeks till holidays and I'll have some shrooms. Unless me mate lets me down again. Wasn't impressed with my other shroom experiences.

DMT plants are almost ready for harvesting. Tis a good summer waiting for me.


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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ninjapixie said:
Wasn't impressed with my other shroom experiences.


Surefire sign that you haven't reached a very critical point with them yet. :wink:

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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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Can't be that much different to a cacti-induced egoloss. Much more interested in my first dmt exp. I wanna see entities dammit!


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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I'm willing to bet it's different. I can't speak from experience, because I've never had cactus... it is on my list of things to try though. :smile:

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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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Visuals are very similar. The head space is the main difference. Cacti is much clearer, lucid, and you can actually interact with others while on it (kinda) which I'd never attempt on shrooms.

The mescaline experience is just so much clearer after you get over the nausea and vomiting. After 3-4hrs you stop worrying about the nausea. You stop worrying about whether it will work or not. You stop caring about whether you took enough. You stop comparing it to other experiences. You stop caring about whether you're gunna see god or not. Basically all classification, labelling, analysis and comparison go out the window and everything just is.


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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Okay.. sounds pretty similar after all. :P

It's quite possible that different people just have different "drugs of choice" for getting to that headspace.. because that's where I end up every time I take mushrooms.

P.S. Why did you make a thread asking people to explain the unexplainable if you were just going to give them shit for trying to explain it after? I mean, you asked us to put it into words, then you asked us why we were trying to put into words what can't be defined with words. :eek:

Because you asked us to, that's why. Duh...  :grin:

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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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I just don't like peoples interpretations and conclusions about the experience. I had very similar interpretations but too much analysis saw the contradictions in them. I take the view that whatever can be put into words must make logical sense. I'm still looking for an interpretation that will satisfy me. Maybe I'll never find one.


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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You won't.. that's the whole friggin' point. And you know it yourself, which is why this is all so incredibly redundant and pointless.

Language is extremely limited. It is abstraction. Think about it.. NOTHING can be accurately and fully explained with language.

Say you're talking to someone about your dog.

"My dog likes to run around the yard." (it doesn't matter what you're saying, the focus is the "my dog" part.)

Now.. when you say "my dog" you picture your loving pet.. you know so much about this animal. You've grown together. Words cannot accurately describe what you feel, picture, and sense when you say "my dog."

All the person on the other end gets from "my dog" is "Okay, so he's got a dog..."

See what I'm saying? This is the most trivial thing compared to ego loss, and yet even this cannot be accurately portrayed with language.

Now.. if someone came along and MET your dog, and experienced the joy of your wonderful pet for a while, they might have a much better idea of what you mean when you say "my dog."

This is essentially the same thing as the "you have to experience it for yourself" of ego loss.

Language cannot truly define anything.

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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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But the saying 'My dog likes to run around the yard' doesn't have any contradictions or inconsistencies. It may not convey the experience but it isn't full of holes.

I know that however you interpret it isn't going to capture the experience, but the way you interpret it must make logical sense. Especially when religions are made from it.


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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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This goes back to the first thing you said, pages ago. I think the middle way concept recognizes the conflict between the dualities. The idea is to put yourself right in the middle of them, to see both side but to not participate in them. I think of it as a test, every time you don't act/think from one of the polars you get a point and move forward. In effect you are actively passive, forcing youself to allow the dualism to wash past you.

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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: rdnp2035]
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A quote from Vernon Howard:

"Would you like something to challenge and strengthen your mental
forces? At the next disappointing event, reflect, 'This is also
just as much a part of life as what I label a favorable event. As
a whole person, I see both sides equally; I do not split events
into good and bad. Being whole, I see the whole.' Do this, even
if you don't understand it, for it contains a tremendous secret."




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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: ninjapixie]
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The buddhists talk of the so called middle way. How can there be a middle way when whatever path you take will have its polar opposite?

If there are an infinite number of paths/ways, there can never be a middle way because infinity has no centre, no middle. In fact, you could say every way is the middle way if there are an infinite number of ways.

The left path is to live in the world and have fun. It means that you run around frantically and try to collect as many things as possible before you die. It also means that the fun in this path comes from eating chocolate cookies. It is the common path of the western world. The Buddha said that one cannot achieve spritual goals on this path, that hedonism or "living life to the fullest" does not lead to Liberation.

The right path is to live outside the world and torture yourself. We rarely see someone walking this path these days, but it was very common at the time of the Buddha. Someone who nails himself to a cross in order to re-experience the suffering of Christ is treading this path (yeah, that is still done routinely in some parts of the world). Again, the Buddha said that such practices cannot lead to Liberation.

The middle path is to live outside the world and have fun. It means that you do not care about money, career, family, and other worldly crap, because it is more FUN. It means that you gain pleasure not from sense experience, but from mind-centered activities like meditation, drugs, and plain letting go. If someone who treads the middle path eats chocolate cookies, there will at least be some weed in it. The Buddha said that you cannot fail to reach Liberation on this path, that it is absolutely impossible that someone walks the middle path and does not achieve Liberation.

So, the Buddha talked about three paths. These were the paths he had tried for himself. Two of them are misleading, and one leads into the right direction. It is not called the middle path because it is absolutely middle, but because it is in the middle between the two wrong paths.

The Buddha made no statement about any other paths - there may be an inifinity of paths, but he did not state whether other paths lead to Liberation or not.

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Re: To those who've experienced egoloss [Re: Nomad]
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So being a newbie, I just have a quick question what is the difference between ego-loss and satori?


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