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Amsterdam Beastiality Law
    #3209949 - 10/03/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A conversation on IRC the other day lead to a Dutch Shroomerite telling me that in Amsterdam, you are allowed to have sex with animals if you aren't hurting them or causing them distress. Is this correct?Thoughts?


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: retread]
    #3210079 - 10/03/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I dont see how you could have sex with an animal without causing them distress.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: retread]
    #3210084 - 10/03/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

thinking of moving to amsterdam?


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: retread]
    #3210432 - 10/03/04 06:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

From a legal standpoint neither animals nor minors can give consent. That's why you can't marry a child or an animal, why neither can enter into contracts and while there is no such thing as "consensual" sex with either, it's considered (statutory) rape or beastiality.

Ethically I am opposed to it, not just because to me it's gross but because if you've ever had a pet or seen animals suffering they don't always show it in obvious ways. Given that, there is no real way to know what kind of harm that sort of thing is doing to them. You could draw a parallel to having sex with a comatose or vegetative person. We would have no real way of knowning how much they're aware. Plus the basic action of taking away their informed choice, whether it be a child, a coma patient or an animal is just wrong in my opinion.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: unbeliever]
    #3210483 - 10/03/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Amsterdam seems like a great place. You can legally get high and then fuck a sheep. What an amazing country.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3210499 - 10/03/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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AaronEvil said:
Amsterdam seems like a great place. You can legally get high and then fuck a sheep. What an amazing country.




Whatever floats your kn?rr!


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: unbeliever]
    #3210581 - 10/03/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

From a legal standpoint neither animals nor minors can give consent. That's why you can't marry a child or an animal, why neither can enter into contracts and while there is no such thing as "consensual" sex with either, it's considered (statutory) rape or beastiality.

yet animals can rightfully be killed for food or used for their labor... it's a tad more complicated than that.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: ]
    #3211022 - 10/03/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
From a legal standpoint neither animals nor minors can give consent. That's why you can't marry a child or an animal, why neither can enter into contracts and while there is no such thing as "consensual" sex with either, it's considered (statutory) rape or beastiality.

yet animals can rightfully be killed for food or used for their labor... it's a tad more complicated than that.




Obviously. However the question wasn't about either of those things, which is why I didn't address them in my reply.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: unbeliever]
    #3211027 - 10/03/04 09:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Libertarianism: All the compassion of Fascism, with the real-world economic applicability of Communism.



That's so stupid it hurts. I'd love if you could open up a thread in which that quote could be further discussed.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3211031 - 10/03/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:
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Libertarianism: All the compassion of Fascism, with the real-world economic applicability of Communism.



That's so stupid it hurts. I'd love if you could open up a thread in which that quote could be further discussed.




Sure, give me a second.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: ]
    #3212780 - 10/04/04 07:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yet animals can rightfully be killed for food or used for their labor... it's a tad more complicated than that.

At least in these cases, most countries have rules requireing humane treatment. Amsterdam has a lot going for it but permitting the abuse of animals through legal bestiality really sucks.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -- Ghandi


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: Diploid]
    #3212821 - 10/04/04 08:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I guess as long as you don't penetrate the animal in any way, it couldn't harm the animal. I don't see how sucking a dog's dick, licking a dog's clit or asshole or letting a dog fuck, suck or lick you could harm it.





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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: Learyfan]
    #3212825 - 10/04/04 08:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I guess as long as you don't penetrate the animal in any way, it couldn't harm the animal. I don't see how sucking a dog's dick, licking a dog's clit or asshole or letting a dog fuck, suck or lick you could harm it.

The same could be said of a comatose or brain-dead person, or even a retarded person. They'll never know; how could it hurt them?

It's still not right. :thumbdown:


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: retread]
    #3212851 - 10/04/04 08:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

We do things differently here in Europe. If you ever left the US, you would be surprised at how big the differences can be.

But what's it to you? It's not like your vote counts in the NL, it's not like we give a shit about your opinions retard.

Sorry, it should be 'retread'.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: Diploid]
    #3212874 - 10/04/04 09:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Look, I don't like beastiality at all, but it's not the same as having a sexual encounter with a comatose person. If the dog is willing to lick your snatch or let you suck it's dick then it's not wrong IMO.

I used to have a labrador who was famous for trying to hump people. He used to get all excited and pop boners all over the place. He probably would have LOVED for me to suck his dick.














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Edited by Learyfan (12/07/11 02:41 PM)


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: Learyfan]
    #3213229 - 10/04/04 12:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree...


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: retread]
    #3213284 - 10/04/04 12:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

In the animal world, sexual activity and rape aren't much different. Either the receiving animal wants it, or they try and get away. I assume it probably works the same way with bestiality. You can't ask consent, but I'm sure it's going to be pretty obvious whether or not the animal wants it. Animals also don't have to social taboos we have, and they aren't going to think it's gross or abnormal to have sex with a human. To an animal, sex is the same as petting that feels especially good, it doesn't have all these complicated issues tied in with it, the way it does for humans.

If you tried to pet an animal, and it tried to get away, but you trapped it, and forced it to be pet, that's abuse. If you try to pet an animal and it enjoys it, that's definately not abuse. Of course, plenty of people here will say that sex with an animal is just wrong, so it should be illegal, but personally, I think laws should be based on logic, not how "wrong" you feel something is.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: ]
    #3213326 - 10/04/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That's just so damned rational and sane that I'm sure you're going to get hassled for it Phluck.


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3214549 - 10/04/04 05:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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AntiMeme said:
We do things differently here in Europe. If you ever left the US, you would be surprised at how big the differences can be.

But what's it to you? It's not like your vote counts in the NL, it's not like we give a shit about your opinions retard.

Sorry, it should be 'retread'.




Dude what in the fuck are yo utalking about? I simply ASKED about the law. Why put words into my mouth? Post where I gave an opinion of it at all.

I think we'd have been better off had Hitler done some more "cleansing" in Holland. *gasgasgas*


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Re: Amsterdam Beastiality Law [Re: retread]
    #3214571 - 10/04/04 05:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think we'd have been better off had Hitler done some more "cleansing" in Holland. *gasgasgas*

Isn't that a bit harsh? Wishing people dead, just because you as a moralist don't approve of our bestiality?


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