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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1838297 - 08/21/03 07:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yes Rono, You are correct, it has always been the policy of the American government to shoot down all airplanes that stray off course. As I am sure you are aware, this has happened many, many times.


BTW, you seem to be overlooking the fact that the flushable toilet was invented by Thomas Crapper. How do you explain that?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1838667 - 08/21/03 08:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

LDS - "Hey Hobbit, would you please stop using that fucking quick reply! "

I didn't know I was, does it fuck something up?

"Have you flown much?

Picture this.... you are a hijacker, you believe you know which passenger is the air marshal. You get up, walk towards the john, and as you pass him, you pounce on him. Now, in those tiny seats, how difficult do you think it'll be to slow him down long enough for your buds to dash over and help you? Keep in mind his gun is concealed.

Not very difficult at all"

Hmmm, well, it sounds like a calculated risk on the part of the highjacker in this scenario that he has figured out who the air marshall is, so maybe he's right, maybe not. If, however, such a security agent is not undercover, making it clear that there's security on the plane, wouldn't that be even better, and serve to discourage any attempted highjacking? I don't think undercover would be the way to go in this situation. Having quick access to his firearm would make sense too, don't you think? Beyond all this, having the pilots armed could help, but I'd think the first line of defense, an armed agent on the plane, visible to everyone, would be most helpful.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1838910 - 08/21/03 10:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes Rono, You are correct, it has always been the policy of the American government to shoot down all airplanes that stray off course.




Huh? Got any links?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
    #1838918 - 08/21/03 10:19 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I wzzzz being a smartasss.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1838926 - 08/21/03 10:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, I am stoned as hell. :smile:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1838927 - 08/21/03 10:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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shoot down all airplanes





No, just showing some interest would be nice though.

But these people walked away whistling and pretending that they didn't know what was going on.







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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Learyfan]
    #1838969 - 08/21/03 10:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What the hell are you rambling about? They did scramble the jets. It was just not fast enough. :confused:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
    #1838997 - 08/21/03 10:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

They played with their dick for almost a half and hour and you call that interest?

They may have been deployed eventually, but they probably had to go out for something anyway.





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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Learyfan]
    #1839348 - 08/22/03 01:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Half an hour from what till what?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1839597 - 08/22/03 04:11 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Frankly, I don't give a shit what Bush's facial expression were...

At the point of 9/11 they supposedly had no idea that they were terrorist attacks, so why would there be such extrme panic?

The thought that every person associated with defending the continental U.S. during 9/11 panicked and their brains shut down is laughable...surely you can see that.




Ok, where were we?

Right. My analogy was just that. I was likening your interpretation of the data and mine to our reactions to a video clip. It was an analogy, forget it.

To sum up what has been said it appears there are at least three views.

1. In the single isolated incident of Stewart Payne the military sent 10 planes in the course of a couple of hours. This means Bush knew.

2. The planes aren't normally scrambled. In fact, pre-911 it only happened 25% of the time.

3. The planes were scrambled.

While I respect your view on this I think I'd like a few more facts before changing my mind.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1840356 - 08/22/03 12:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Beyond all this, having the pilots armed could help, but I'd think the first line of defense, an armed agent on the plane, visible to everyone, would be most helpful. 




N0..no..no....its all so simple....

ARM THE PASSENGERS!,,, :tongue:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1840368 - 08/22/03 12:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

With what?  Clubs?  :lol:

I have no problems arming the pilots and crew provided they use rubber bullets.  All that is needed is to disarm the terrorists, not blow holes in the airplane.


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    #1840375 - 08/22/03 12:06 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

^^^agreed. I do not want to be a in a plane that's de-pressurized because some moron shot a hole in it.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: silversoul7]
    #1840387 - 08/22/03 12:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly!

Morons and guns do not mix. :wink:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1840417 - 08/22/03 12:21 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Half an hour from what till what?




27 minutes from the time Flight 11 was considered to have been highjacked to the time NORAD was informed of this.


Quote:

"The plane did not obey the order and its transponder was turned off. Air traffic control manager Glenn Michael said, "we considered it at that time to be a possible hijacking."







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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: silversoul7]
    #1840421 - 08/22/03 12:22 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You can shoot out windows in an airplane and it will not be subject to explosive decompression of any sort. The compressors will have to kick in harder, and the plane will probably have to drop to a lower altitude. Worst that'll happen is that your ears will pop.

Jetliners vent off air continuously, with compressors keeping the plane in a state of positive ventilation, taking in fresh air from the outside.



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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: wingnutx]
    #1840429 - 08/22/03 12:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, the concept of explosive decompression is a myth for the most part.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: silversoul7]
    #1840434 - 08/22/03 12:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Arming passengers with clubs is not a bad idea, though. I carry a billiard ball and a pair of socks when I fly.

I certainly would not give them guns. Pilots yes, passengers no.



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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Learyfan]
    #1840435 - 08/22/03 12:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Snafu.

How many minutes until the second plane hit the tower?

Less than 27 minutes I'll bet.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
    #1840871 - 08/22/03 02:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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shakta said:
Yep, the concept of explosive decompression is a myth for the most part.




decompression however can be a serious problem. Especially if its a structural crack or what not, because the added stress to the area may lead to structural failure.
I worked in a/c structures, and theres ALOT of shit that needs to be done, if your repairing a pressurised aircraft compared to non.
Lets just say i would NOT feel safe if one of those window blew, and for good reason!


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