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OfflineMadtowntripper
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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1512223 - 05/01/03 06:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"There is no empirical basis for gun control, and the only reason you could be advocating it is because you must have the same objectives that the Nazis had.""

Ohmigod. He is SO right! If I dont think my 18-year old, drug crazed, mentally unstable neighbor should have an M-60 and a rocket launcher, I MUST be Hitler!!

Good god man, if your going to post sources, its a good idea to post ones that dont make the opposition double over in laughter....


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1512365 - 05/01/03 07:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I guess I just assumed most would be able to tell the hype from the facts.

Sorry, I guess I was wrong. So to any others who missed it, it's for the stats and such.

Perhaps "slant" would have been a better choice of words rather than "hype'.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1512633 - 05/01/03 08:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Dont you think that the accuracy of the facts presented is called into question when the bias of the writer is so obvious?


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1513742 - 05/02/03 01:53 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you aware there are between 15 - 20,000 firearms laws on the books both federal and state?




While I am not aware of exactly how many firearm laws, I knew at the time I posted, that yes, the numbers were up there. We've got a hell of a lot of laws.

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That's what you consider absence of regulation? HOLY CRAP!



Please point me to where I said anything of the sort. I made a simple intrinsic statement concerning the need for the regulation of firearms. How you managed to arrive at said contrived statement, I have no idea. Perhaps a bias towards those who favor gun control? In the future please refrain from putting words in my "mouth". It is not something which I appreciate.

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And it's well documented that the states with the most liberal concealed carry laws have the lowesr crime rate.




Again, I am aware of this. Do not assume that because I favor gun control that I do not know of which I speak, and in particular the facts surrounding the matter. Numerous sets of data certainly lend themselves towards the notion that concealed weapons tend to lower crime. One needs not look further than say, North Carolina for example which began allowing concealed weapons in 1995. Since then there has a been a notable overall decline in all violent crimes and their rates. I support very tight regulation of CWP's, and do not believe that they are a right, but a privilage just as many things in this country.


Edit: Typos.


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Edited by I_Fart_Blue (05/02/03 01:54 AM)


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1513953 - 05/02/03 04:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Please point me to where I said anything of the sort.




Well OK, here it is....

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The absence of firearm regulation is idiocy.





If you can't remember what you write, perhaps it would be best not to write at all. I put no words in your mouth.

And if indeed you were aware of the fact that there are a great many (whether you knew the number or not) existing firearms laws, then the statement.... "The absence of firearm regulation is idiocy", was either hyperbole, or a direct lie.

Which is it?


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1514241 - 05/02/03 09:13 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I wrote that. Very good. I never said that this country is devoid of firearm laws, nor did I say I consider the number of laws on the books to be an absence, did I? As I previously stated I made an intrinsic statement concerning the need for firearm regulation. I'm sorry if you are having trouble comprehending my words, but you're reaching Alpo, really. The absence of firearm regulation is idiocy. It was neither a hyperbole or a lie. Regulation is needed. I am sorry you don't feel that way. I have this thing about convicted felons, the mentally unstable, et all possessing firearms. However, I am through with you. I have not the time or the patience for somebody who attempts to carry on a conversation with me, and then proceeds to put words in my mouth and call me a liar.


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1514260 - 05/02/03 09:20 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

So, just to clarify YOUR stance, are you against ALL gun control laws? Or are you willing to compromise that some are necessary? Not attacking your position, yet. I'm just curious....


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1514661 - 05/02/03 12:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i think we all agree that there must be restrictions on weapons. where we differ is on the degree.


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1515490 - 05/02/03 05:33 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

What a pathetic response.


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1515494 - 05/02/03 05:36 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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So, just to clarify YOUR stance, are you against ALL gun control laws? Or are you willing to compromise that some are necessary? Not attacking your position, yet. I'm just curious....



I have never said there should be no gun control laws. I think there are far too many. I think they only affect the law abiding.

Having said that.... I think VIOLENT felons and mentally disadvantaged should NOT be able to get guns. There doesn't seem to be anyway to stop felons at least. Gun laws work about as well as drug laws.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1515501 - 05/02/03 05:41 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"mentally disadvantaged"

what does that mean?

we could realistically apply that term to half the population.  :wink: 


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: ]
    #1515543 - 05/02/03 06:11 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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"mentally disadvantaged"

what does that mean?



It means someone who doesn't know how to punch a ballot. :wink:


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Re: Politicians who support the Right to Carry law [Re: Evolving]
    #1515550 - 05/02/03 06:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Well that's ONE meaning anyway.
:laugh:


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