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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: wingnutx]
    #1837307 - 08/21/03 01:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty much.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: wingnutx]
    #1837321 - 08/21/03 01:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Passenger had every reason to think that it was a normal hijacking, which usually end with all, or nearly all, passengers surviving.






>Click here<

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MI6 warned the American intelligence services about a plot to hijack aircraft and crash them into buildings two years before the September 11 attacks.





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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
    #1837322 - 08/21/03 01:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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The pratice of shooting them down was not the norm back then like it likely would be today is what I was talking about. I think we just were not prepared to scramble them fast enough in that case.




...I want to know why they were never scrambled in the first place. Let's assume that the first plane 'somehow' hit before anybody knew what was going on. Are you saying that the almighty American airforce is so inept that it couldn't launch at least one single plane to investigate, after discovering there were more instances of planes out of radio contact?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
    #1837325 - 08/21/03 02:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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I think we just were not prepared to scramble them fast enough in that case.




Rono just linked you the Payne Stewart story. They were on his ass QUICK.





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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Learyfan]
    #1837328 - 08/21/03 02:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting. MI6 still claims that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger. Do you believe that?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: wingnutx]
    #1837329 - 08/21/03 02:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed.

If it happens again and the same result occurs that will be completely different. A lot of people like to play the "blame game" but it is pretty obvious to those with sound minds that the persons directly responsible for the attack are the attackers.

There isn't any other sane way to see it.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
    #1837337 - 08/21/03 02:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yes..it's completely 'insane' to think that your government would lie to you... :rolleyes:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: wingnutx]
    #1837349 - 08/21/03 02:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting. MI6 still claims that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger. Do you believe that?




FIne.


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Some of the clues lie buried in 350,000 pages of documents turned over by the CIA for the hearings:
* Reports discussing the possibility of suicide bombings, plots to fly planes into buildings and strikes against the Pentagon, World Trade Center and other high-profile targets.








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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1837359 - 08/21/03 02:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say that.  There is a big difference in assuming the government lies and believing everything Art Bell tells you.  :lol:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
    #1837361 - 08/21/03 02:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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There isn't any other sane way to see it.



Correct.

A vauge warning that someday an event like this might occur, is next to worthless.

Too many flights, too many targets.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
    #1837362 - 08/21/03 02:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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There isn't any other sane way to see it.





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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
    #1837387 - 08/21/03 02:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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There is a big difference in assuming the government lies and believing everything Art Bell tells you


Okay fine...so maybe you could comment on why no jets were sent to intercept?....I realize that you are not in command of NORAD or the Air force, so just your opinion will do...

It's already been proven that it IS procedure to do so when radio contact is lost.
It's been proven that Jets can be scrambled in minutes for this same reason.
It's been proven that it has been done in the past...

So I ask the simple question...WHY WEREN'T ANY JETS SCRAMBLED ON 9/11?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1837406 - 08/21/03 02:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

As Pinky said once..."The Silence is Deafening"...


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1837428 - 08/21/03 02:29 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

He doesn't appear to be here to answer.

And even if he was, without access to ALL the documents, secret and otherwise, there is no way to answer.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1837430 - 08/21/03 02:29 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"A vauge warning that someday an event like this might occur, is next to worthless.

Too many flights, too many targets"

I really gotta think, though, that while you certainly can't cover every potential target, highjacking planes and flying them into prominent buildings or structures would be pretty high on a list of potential terrorist actions that might be taken against the US. The Twin Towers and any major building in DC would certainly qualify, it's hard to think that provisions were in place in the event of this happeming.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1837433 - 08/21/03 02:31 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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He doesn't appear to be here to answer.

And even if he was, without access to ALL the documents, secret and otherwise, there is no way to answer.




That's why I asked for his OPINION...


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1837443 - 08/21/03 02:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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That's why I asked for his OPINION...


Which is why I wrote this FIRST.
"He doesn't appear to be here to answer."


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
    #1837445 - 08/21/03 02:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

At any rate, that doesn't prove anything.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1837451 - 08/21/03 02:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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"A vauge warning that someday an event like this might occur, is next to worthless.

Too many flights, too many targets"

I really gotta think, though, that while you certainly can't cover every potential target, highjacking planes and flying them into prominent buildings or structures would be pretty high on a list of potential terrorist actions that might be taken against the US. The Twin Towers and any major building in DC would certainly qualify, it's hard to think that provisions were in place in the event of this happeming.


I think I remember reading that tere are 3500+ flights a day in US airspace.

How many potential targets do you think there are?
Nuke plants, power plants, bridges, sports arenas, cruise ships, airports, and many more including buildings. Which do you protect, which do you leave to fate? It can't be done.

The pilots in this country should have been armed years ago. There would probably have been NO crashes that day.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: TheHobbit]
    #1837452 - 08/21/03 02:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"even if he was, without access to ALL the documents, secret and otherwise, there is no way to answer"

Well, yeah, we'll never know what actually transpired, what thoughts were going through who's mind and all, so we can just speculate, but there must be a chain of command in place for such a situation, right? Does Bush himself even make the call in regards to such a situation, or Rumsfeld, or who, I don't know, just wondering. Just hard to think that we could be caught so completely unprepared, even if there was no reason, intelligence-wise, to think anything was coming. I'd think that at least the more prominent potential terrorist targets, such as the towers and DC buildings along with nuclear power plants, would be have long been covered from a security perspective.


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