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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
I guess noone is jealous of your freedoms up there.

:lol: 


No, it's just that no-one wants those Canookian women.




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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Wasn't that you mom?
:confused:


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Lest we forget. "

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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What are you talking about man?

If anyone could give you that hot monkey love it's her!

:lol:

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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Hey, lets keep the guys family affairs private... :rolleyes:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms said:
What are you talking about man?

If anyone could give you that hot monkey love it's her!

:lol: 


But then Rono would be left broken-hearted.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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"How about blaming it on the lunatics that flew the planes into the buildings? "

There's minds here much more knowledgeable than myself regarding political issues, so I'll ask, what about the failure of interceptor jets to get to the highjakced planes? From what I understand, maybe I'm wrong or misinformed, once a commercial airliner deviates from it's course and an attempt at communication is made for which no response is given, it is assumed to be highjacked. Wasn't there ample time to intercept these planes? Surely such a scenario as what occurred was thoroughly considered by federal security people, it's really pretty obvious that such an attack could be attempted when thinking in terms of potential terrorism, and so it should have come as no surprise regarding the event itself, if not the timing (although I believe that some it has been said that some foreknowledge existed).
I guess what I'm saying is, could the Bush administration hve been involved, not from the perspective of masterminding the highjackings and all that, but in regards to delaying the response in terms of possibly intercepting these planes; not to belittle the people on the planes, they would have died as well, most likel, in such an interception engagement, but avoiding collisions with the towers would have ultimately saved more lives. Any thoughts (other than castrating me)?

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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She's just one of my ho's...knock yerself out... :smirk:


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
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Rono said:
She's just one of my ho's...knock yerself out... :smirk: 


Damn man, that's real kind of you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: TheHobbit]
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That's a good point but I don't think we were up to being that responsive. How long was it from when the plane first deviated from its course and the government was informed of it until it actually hit the building?

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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What about every other plane after that?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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There was ample time to rally air support..its been discussed here before. In fact there was an article saying they are supposed to automaticaly scramble in a situation like that, but didn't for some reasonl.....

Anyone know where i can buy some penta lawn as welll?


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: TheHobbit]
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That would happen now. Previously, that was not the practice implemented.

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
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Incorrect,....that procedure was in place long before 9/11...have a look in google for Payne Stewart..

Payne Stewart

and this was just a small private jet that had lost radio contact, yet fighter jets were scrambled immediately...one would think that a large airliner that wasn't responding to hails would warrant at least the same attention...



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Edited by Rono (08/21/03 12:47 PM)

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
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"That would happen now. Previously, that was not the practice implemented."

Really? I'd have thougt that such potential terrorism would have been well considered long ago (how could anyone giving thought to potential terrorist targets in the US not come up with that scenario almost immediately?) and some form of appropriate response would have been established long ago. I mean, targeting something obscure could ellude such considerations, but what could be more obvious that planes being highjacked and crashed into the towers?

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Rono]
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Yes, those are also good points. But I think we just we weren't up to being that responsive. Does that make us culpable? Certainly. It's the extent of culpability that is debatable.

We can also blame the passengers for not standing up for themselves and going to the slaughter like so many sheep. Will that happen again?

Probably not.

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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Passenger had every reason to think that it was a normal hijacking, which usually end with all, or nearly all, passengers surviving.


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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: TheHobbit]
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CLICK HERE

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At approximately 8:13, Flight 11 was instructed by air traffic controllers at the FAA's Boston Center, in Nashua, New Hampshire, to climb to 35,000 feet. The plane did not obey the order and its transponder was turned off. Air traffic control manager Glenn Michael said, "we considered it at that time to be a possible hijacking." [AP, 8/12/02, emphasis added] According to FAA regulations, that was the correct decision: "Consider that an aircraft emergency exists ... when ... there is unexpected loss of radar contact and radio communications with any ... aircraft." [FAA Air Traffic Control Regulations, Chapter 10, Section 2-5 ]





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If air traffic controllers believed Flight 11 had been hijacked at 8:13, NORAD should have been informed immediately, so military planes could be scrambled to investigate. However, NORAD and the FAA both claimed NORAD was not informed until 8:40 - 27 minutes later.








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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: ]
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"We can also blame the passengers for not standing up for themselves and going to the slaughter like so many sheep. Will that happen again?"

I can't blame the passengers, they didn't know what was going on until it was too late, I'd think, they were probably hoping to come out of it alive.

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: Learyfan]
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The pratice of shooting them down was not the norm back then like it likely would be today is what I was talking about. I think we just were not prepared to scramble them fast enough in that case.

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Re: Surviving the Bush Dictatorship - Martial Law [Re: shakta]
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Basically, we were fat dumb and happy.

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