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Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims
    #3064123 - 08/29/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The world slowly waking up to Russia's systematic War Against Islam and Muslims in the Chechen region.




Chechnya: The war that the world forgot.


Western complicity

U.S. shares responsibility in Russia's War Against Muslims

Another cause of anger in the Muslim world against the West is Chechnya, thousands of innocent people in that nation were ruthlessly killed by the Russian army. This nation was illegally occupied by the Russians 200 years ago and yet people like Clinton have the gall to come up and announce on TV that what the Russian army personel are doing is legitimate! That was the last straw for me, I finally realised that they (Western leaders) have an agenda against Islam, maybe not the religion per se but definitely it's political form (which is a requirement in Islam according to the Quran) because they see it as un-cooperative. A good article showing who really started this current war can be seen here;

Did the Russian FSB instigate the war in Chechnya?

Sites showing the human rights abuses in Chechnya perpetrated by the Russian army can be seen thus;

Here is a particular good example of Russia's war crimes, notice how these are hardly ever reported in the mass-media and thus the Muslim anger is then exasperated by the West's refusal to see this.

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,191798,00.html



"Revealed: Russia's worst war crime in Chechnya

Russia's Genocide Against Chechen Muslims

Vladimir Putin is the new hero of Russian democracy, courted by Western leaders. He is also responsible for one of the most savage atrocities since the Second World War. John Sweeney is the first journalist to reach the devastated village of Katyr Yurt, where 363 people were slaughtered by Russian forces

Russia: special report

Crisis in Chechnya: special report

Sunday March 5, 2000
The Observer

Her face burnt almost beyond recognition, she lies prone on her hospital bed and tells in a child's whispers of the day her mother, father, her two brothers, her sister and her cousin - among 363 people from the same village - were wiped out.
At eight years old, Taisa Abakarova is an eyewitness to the worst war crime in the savage campaign of Russia's acting President, Vladimir Putin, against the 'terrorist fighters' of Chechnya.

The village of Katyr Yurt, 'safe' in the Russian-occupied zone, far from the war's front line, and jam-packed with refugees, was untouched on the morning of 4 February when Russian aircraft, helicopters, fuel-air bombs and Grad missiles pulverised the village. They paused in the bombing at 3pm, shipped buses in, and allowed a white-flag convoy to leave - and then they bombed that as well, killing Taisa's family and many others.

The Observer , in a joint investigation with Channel 4's Dispatches , went to Katyr Yurt and saw what was left: a landscape as if from the Somme, streets smashed to matchwood, trees shredded, blood-stained cellars, the survivors in a frenzy of fear. The village was littered with the remains of Russian 'vacuum' bombs - fuel-air explosives that can suck your lungs inside out, their use against civilians banned by the Geneva Convention.

Local witnesses, astonished by the first visit by Western outsiders to their village, ringed west and east by special troops from the Russian secret police, the FSB, said they had counted 363 corpses piled two or three high in the street - 'so many you couldn't get a car past them' - before the Russians took many of the bodies away and dumped them in a mass grave.

Taisa has a cruelly burnt face, both hands burnt and bandaged, a broken right leg swathed in plaster, a left knee pinioned by iron bolts and internal bruising, and yet she wanted to tell us what happened. Taisa's father, Mansour, 45, a builder; her mother, Hava, 45, a school teacher; her brothers, Magomed, 14; Ruslan, 12; her cousin, Hava, eight; and her sister, Madina, six, were squashed into the family's black Volga saloon. She explained how the convoy left Katyr Yurt for what they hoped was safety. 'There was a white flag on our car, flying from a wooden stick,' she said. 'Then two planes came and they hit us and my dad and mum were sitting in front of us and my brother and me were sitting in the back seat. Then we were blown up. I fell to the mud in the ground.'

Taisa winced as her aunt, Tabarik Zaumajeva, swabbed the burnt skin around her eye. The aunt said: 'At night she is scared to close her eyes. She told me that she was afraid the whole picture would come back.'

The worst is that Taisa's aunt cannot bring herself to tell the little girl she is the only survivor of the seven people in the family car: 'I don't know how to tell her. If we tell her now, she wouldn't be able to bear it. She's already afraid to close her eyes at night. Last night she woke 10 times and we can't calm her down.'

Katyr Yurt, to the west of Grozny, was quiet, calm and untouched on the night of 3 February. But Grozny had fallen and Chechen fighters had fled Russian revenge. Some of them passed through Katyr Yurt. There is one story that two Russian soldiers were kidnapped or killed that night. On the morning of 4 February, all hell began.

Putin - who is widely expected to become President when Russia votes this month - has consistently denied human rights abuses in Chechnya. Putin's denials have mollified Western leaders, and only last month Foreign Secretary Robin Cook met him in Moscow and went out of his way to praise the ex-KGB secret policeman who gave out hunting knives to his troops on New Year's Day. Cook said of Putin: 'I found his style refreshing and open, and his priorities for Russia are ones that we would share.'

What follows is the evidence The Observer/Dispatches has obtained about what his forces did to the civilians of Katyr Yurt, evidence that might call into question the Foreign Secretary's endorsement of Putin's priorities 'that we would share'.

Rumissa Medhidova is 27, but her face is so sick with grief and horror she looks 30 years older. She became a widow on 4 February. 'All the Russians left the village and at around 10am they started to bomb. They used everything. In the centre of the village, not one house is left standing. In one family there were three children around their dead mother. They had been shot in the leg by Kalashnikovs. At half past four, they said: "We will give you two hours". They sent buses in with white flags.'

People rushed around to find white sheets or anything at all white to mark their cars. There was even time for a joke: 'I saw a cow with white on its horns and people were laughing.'

The convoy set off, each car showing a white flag, some cars showing two or three, packed with mainly women and children - the men held back, to make more room for children, said Rumissa. It headed west towards the town of Achoi Martan and safety. 'When we were on the open road, they fired ground-to-air rockets at us. It was a big rocket, not as big as a car. It was strange. It didn't explode once, it exploded several times. Every car had flags, how many cars I don't know. It was a mess, lots of them. They hit us without stopping.'

Could the Russians have mistaken the white-flag convoy for fighters? 'No, they couldn't mistake us. They knew very well there were a lot of refugees: 16,000 refugees and 8,000 locals in the village. In front of us was a big car full of children, not grown-ups. They burnt before my eyes.'

Her husband stepped out of the car and was killed by shrapnel. With her children, she ran from the carnage and made it Achoi Martan: 'I saw a lot of bodies but I don't know how many. There were a lot of people lying on the road. I didn't count them. I also saw different parts of burnt bodies collected in buckets.'

And then the cover-up began: 'The Russians wouldn't allow the people in the village to collect the bodies. They only allowed people on the fifth day to go and collect the bodies. When people arrived there, they asked: "Where are the bodies of our people?" The Russians said some had already been burnt. People say the Russians took the bodies and threw them in a mass grave.'

Another eyewitness, a wounded man of the killable age, said: ' They started bombing. Bombs, artillery. They were killing people.

'At our local school on the edge of the village there were Spetsnaz troops. They said: "We will give you a safe corridor." So everyone started to go towards Achoi Martan. Then they used rockets against us. Some say 350 refugees were killed, 170 from the village itself.'

Zara Aktimirova, 59, was looking after her mother, Matusa Batalova, 85, who had been hit by shrapnel. 'The fear was so terrible I do not have the words ... We were in a cellar. You could hear the vacuum bombs: "Whoosh, whoosh". We just got into this cellar and the whole house next to us was completely destroyed. If someone ran to the apartment block en-trance, snipers would fire and hit arms and legs.'

Later she and her mother passed along the road and saw the wreckage of the white-flag convoy: 'The cars were mangled up, like mincemeat. I didn't count the cars, I was carrying my mother. The convoy stretched maybe three kilometres. Every car was hit.' Her mother was dying.

Our fifth witness, a doctor, is glassy-eyed and dead-tired after operating on hundreds of patients without anaesthetics, medicines or electricity during the bombardment. He said: 'First they hit the village, then they gave civilians a corridor and they were shot. They didn't bring the dead to us, only those in agony. They brought 10 bodies, to check if they were alive or not: one baby among them, grown-ups, teenagers, some without both legs, burnt with traumas to the head, stomach. There were a lot of bodies in the village they didn't bring to us.'

Our sixth witness stood outside the ruin of his home in Katyr Yurt, leaning on two crutches. Rizvan Vakhaev, 47, was contemptuous of the dangers of speaking out. When two vacuum bombs fell outside his house, the blasts killed eight people: six women, a man and an 11-year-old boy outright; 10 more have died since. His wife is seriously injured, as are three of his children. His daughter-in-law died immediately.

He showed us where the children had been lying before the blast, and the remains of human intestines lying on the ground. The vacuum bomb is dropped by a parachute. As it falls to the ground, it releases a cloud of petrol vapour, which ignites, and the sky explodes. A US Defence Intelligence Agency study of 1993 reported: 'The kill mechanism against living targets is unique and unpleasant. What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs.'

An old lady, our seventh witness, emerged from a hole in the ground, trembling. She put a piece of bread to her mouth: 'We didn't eat yesterday and today. It was like Doomsday. Helicopters, planes, three bombs fell when we were in the cellar. Three sons and one daughter died. Our fourth son is dying at the hospital.'

On our way out of the village, we stopped by the mosque. There we met our last eye-witness. He had made a tally of all the bodies before the Russians took them away, dragging some by chains from car bumpers. He had tried to wash the bodies, and give them some decency in the Muslim tradition. And the number of the dead? '363,' he said.

As we left the ruins of Katyr Yurt, we saw wreckage from what was left of the white-flag convoy: broken cars, twisted, charred metal, a boot lying in the mud. And then we heard a burst of machine-gun fire, an echo of 'the refreshing and open' language of Vladimir Putin.

'Dying for The President' will be shown on C4's 'Dispatches' on Thursday at 9.30pm."

After all this we are told that the war in Chechnya is legitimate! But why do the Western governments not acknowledge that Chechnya was never a legitimate part of Russia? Where is all the condemnation against Russia's war crimes in Chechnya? They ignore Russia's war crimes because Russia is a valuable ally to them, thus they further prove that justice is only partial and selective, certainly they would be bombing Russia right now if it was a small nation and less powerful, like Yugoslavia or Iraq. Russia is using most of the weapons banned in the Geneva Convention yet we hear nothing of Russia's weapons of mass destruction but we hear all about "Saddam's weapons of mass destruction" even though it is Russia using them and not Iraq! This is the Western diplomats opinion of this war criminal Putin; 'I found his style refreshing and open, and his priorities for Russia are ones that we would share.' Truly a war against Muslims!

http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/chechen.htm


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3064127 - 08/29/04 02:57 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

BBC:

Tuesday, 23 July, 2002, 19:34 GMT 20:34 UK
Russia 'thinning out' Chechens

Russian activities in Chechnya are under scrutiny

An international human rights organisation has accused the Russian military of a campaign of executions in Chechnya to deliberately reduce the break-away republic's male population.
In a report released on Tuesday, the International Helsinki Federation (IHF) alleges that Chechen men are regularly abducted and murdered during sweep and search operations by Russian special forces.


Russian special forces are now subject to tighter regulations


Following visits to Chechnya and the neighbouring republic of Ingushetia, senior representatives of the federation say between 50 and 80 bodies are recovered each month after operations by Russian special forces.

But the prime minister of the Kremlin-backed Chechen government, Stanislav Ilyasov, rejected the accusations, describing the figures as "the fantasies of a sick man".

He said people died in clashes between rebels and federal forces, or as a result of violent crime, but there was no link between people dying and "special operations".

The IHF says its death statistics are a conservative estimate for the past six months based on research by human rights groups and reports from Chechen civilians.



The situation is more and more returning to normal, with every passing month

Stanislav Ilyasov
It adds that the corpses are overwhelmingly young and male - and describes the situation as "a process of thinning out a population of young men".

"The process by which young Chechen men are being abducted and murdered... is on a huge scale in a world context," said the human rights group's executive director, Aaron Rhodes.

Although President Vladimir Putin has criticised the conduct of Russian troops involved in sweep and search operations, Russia denies its troops have been involved in systematic abuses.

It says excesses are investigated and punished and that life in the rebel province is returning to normal.

Tighter measures

New measures were introduced earlier this year in response to reports of abductions and summary executions.


Special forces involved in sweep operations must now be accompanied by local Chechen officials, and must identify themselves properly.

But Mr Rhodes said the toll was not decreasing, despite the new rules.

The BBC's regional analyst Steven Eke says Moscow's own administrators in Chechnya acknowledge that there is little accountability for Russian troops.

He says that a new human rights envoy to Chechnya, appointed by President Putin, tacitly admitted that abuses are commonplace when he pledged to end abductions and the disappearances of civilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2146702.stm


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3065173 - 08/29/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I certainly can't approve of what Russia is doing in Chechnya, but I have little sypmathy for the Chechens when they blow up airplanes, apartment complexes and take opera houses hostage. I doubt they would have it as bad if they weren't resorting to terrorism.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3065345 - 08/29/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, Chechen terror groups are off shoot organizations that formed after Russia's first puppet elections in Chechnya. Ever since Russian aggression began, the vast majority of Chechen resistance fighters are fighting Russian soldiers. They are not the fanatics that travel to Moscow to die.

Chechen Mujahideen ambush Russian helicopter





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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3076954 - 09/01/04 06:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

'Gunmen seize 400 hostages at Russian school'

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040901/325/f1oaw.html

I hope they handle this one a bit better than the theatre seige  :thumbdown:


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3076982 - 09/01/04 06:49 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Oh boo hoo. Go to some muslim message board and tell them that all their bad seeds are creating a strong dislike for their culture in every country in the world. Maybe they can fix it through future upbringing of their children.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3076990 - 09/01/04 06:53 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

wow, muslims blowing up innocent people, who would of guessed? hmmpphh.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Stein]
    #3076997 - 09/01/04 06:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Oh boo hoo. Go to some muslim message board and tell them that all their bad seeds are creating a strong dislike for their culture in every country in the world. Maybe they can fix it through future upbringing of their children.




I suppose the Jews brought the holocaust on themselves too.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: deafpanda]
    #3077005 - 09/01/04 07:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hitler hated jews, not "the whole world hated jews". Im not saying everyone hates muslims but Im saying some of them are creating a bad vibe toward their entire culture.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Stein]
    #3077026 - 09/01/04 07:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Equally, some Americans are creating a bad vibe toward their entire culture.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: deafpanda]
    #3077034 - 09/01/04 07:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It might be bad, but, you'll all thank us for it later :grin:


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Stein]
    #3077050 - 09/01/04 07:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Those damn Chechans. Maybe we could throw them into some sort of Palestinian state. Then build a huge wall around them and let them kill each other off.

Sounds like a good plan to me. OTOH, killing them has been working pretty good so far. I'd just a soon be done with them once and for all though.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: fastfred]
    #3078134 - 09/01/04 03:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Considering the conflict is with the Russian government, it would have to be a prett big wall.

Ayna Jundal Muslimeen, Ayna Jundal Chechnya!


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3078164 - 09/01/04 03:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

No, I'm actually saying we should ship them to Palestine. Then we could kill two birds with one stone.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: fastfred]
    #3078388 - 09/01/04 04:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ship who?


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3078464 - 09/01/04 05:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The chechen rebels!


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3078503 - 09/01/04 05:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Boo friggin hoo.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Sorted]
    #3078514 - 09/01/04 05:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

They have already killed one boys father and threaten to kill many more, possibly hundreds, of children....

God save us from your followers!


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Zahid]
    #3078590 - 09/01/04 05:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Blowing up airplanes and taking schools hostage is certainly not going to gain any sympathy from me, but Europe usually falls for that sort of thing so the Chechens will probobly benefit from killing innocent people. The strategy will work, and we will see more terrorist attacks.


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Re: Chechnya: Russia's War Against Muslims [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078613 - 09/01/04 05:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus, guys, come on. Do you really think that the Russians are totally innocent and it is just these deranged Islamic militants killing people for fun?


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