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OfflineZahid
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Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded
    #1779125 - 08/04/03 08:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The unreported cost of war: at least 827 American wounded

Julian Borger, Washington
Monday August 4, 2003
The Guardian

US military casualties from the occupation of Iraq have been more than twice the number most Americans have been led to believe because of an extraordinarily high number of accidents, suicides and other non-combat deaths in the ranks that have gone largely unreported in the media.
Since May 1, when President George Bush declared the end of major combat operations, 52 American soldiers have been killed by hostile fire, according to Pentagon figures quoted in almost all the war coverage. But the total number of US deaths from all causes is much higher: 112.

The other unreported cost of the war for the US is the number of American wounded, 827 since Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Unofficial figures are in the thousands. About half have been injured since the president's triumphant appearance on board the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln at the beginning of May. Many of the wounded have lost limbs.

The figures are politically sensitive. The number of American combat deaths since the start of the war is 166 - 19 more than the death toll in the first Gulf war.

The passing of that benchmark last month erased the perception, popular at the time Baghdad fell, that the US had scored an easy victory.

According to a Gallup poll, 63% of Americans still think Iraq was worth going to war over, but a quarter want the troops out now, and another third want a withdrawal if the casualty figures continue to mount.

In fact, the total death toll this time is 248 - including accidents and suicides - and as the number of non-combat deaths and serious injuries becomes more widely known, the erosion of public confidence is likely to continue, posing a threat to Mr Bush's prospects of re-election, which at the beginning of May had seemed a foregone conclusion.

Military observers say it is unusual, even in a "low-intensity" guerrilla war such as the situation seen in Iraq, for non-combat deaths to outnumber combat casualties.

The Pentagon does not tabulate the cause of those deaths, but according to an American website that has been tracking official reports, Iraq Coalition Casualty Count, 23 American soldiers have died in car or helicopter accidents since May 1, while 12 have been killed in accidents with weapons or explosives.

Three deaths have been categorised as "possible suicides", three have died from illness, and three from drowning. The rest are unexplained.

Wounded American soldiers continue to be flown back to the US at a relentless rate, in twice-weekly transport flights to Andrews air force base near Washington.

Hospital staff are working 70- or 80-hour weeks, and the Walter Reed army hospital in Washington is so full that it has taken over beds normally reserved for cancer patients to handle the influx, according to a report on CBS television.

Meanwhile, at the nearby national naval medical centre in Bethesda, new marine injuries are delivered almost daily by a medical plane known as the Nightingale.

The Pentagon figure for "wounded in action" in Iraq is 827, but here again the total number of injuries appears to be much higher.

The estimate given by central command in Qatar is 926, but according to Lieutenant-Colonel Allen DeLane, who is in charge of the airlift of the wounded into Andrews air base, that too is understated.

"Since the war has started, I can't give you an exact number because that's classified information, but I can say to you over 4,000 have stayed here at Andrews, and that number doubles when you count the people that come here to Andrews and then we send them to other places like Walter Reed and Bethesda, which are in this area also," Col DeLane told National Public Radio.

He said 90% of injuries were directly war-related.

Some of that number may involve double-counting - if a soldier stays at the Andrews clinic on the way to Washington and then again on the way back to the war or back home, for example. But the actual number of wounded still appears to be much higher than the official figures.

"When the facility where I'm at started absorbing the people coming back from theatre [in April], those numbers went up significantly - I'd say over 1,200," Col DeLane said.

"That number even went up higher in the month of May, to about 1,500, and continues to increase."




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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Zahid]
    #1779132 - 08/04/03 08:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

NEWS FLASH: War is dangerous. People get hurt.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: wingnutx]
    #1779140 - 08/04/03 08:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's just common sense. The trick is to prevent it, is to avoid invading other nations unprovoked.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Zahid]
    #1779144 - 08/04/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nah, we soak up casualties regardless. African embassies, USS Cole, etc...

Might as well make them good for something.



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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: wingnutx]
    #1779152 - 08/04/03 08:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's completely different from conventional war. That is terrorism.

And in my humble opinion, the USS Cole was fair game.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Zahid]
    #1779160 - 08/04/03 08:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why was it fair game? Navy vessels from around the world buy fuel in each other's ports.

Nobody fucks with destroyers from Islamic countries when they dock in the US.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: wingnutx]
    #1779167 - 08/04/03 08:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You are not terribly aware of the situation at hand.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Zahid]
    #1779169 - 08/04/03 08:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Then educate me.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Zahid]
    #1780003 - 08/05/03 01:10 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So zahid if you come to my door for whatever reason if i blow out your intestines with a bit of explosive that was fair game. Please tell me it is so i can give you my adress right now.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: d33p]
    #1780923 - 08/05/03 10:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
So zahid if you come to my door for whatever reason if i blow out your intestines with a bit of explosive that was fair game. Please tell me it is so i can give you my adress right now.




You can put me on the list second. If you think it was fair game how about you play a little game of hide and go fuck yourself! Furthermore, why do you care how many casualties we have?


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: shakta]
    #1781288 - 08/05/03 12:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Furthermore, why do you care how many casualties we have?

I think he cares a fuck of a lot more than Bush does.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Xlea321]
    #1781411 - 08/05/03 01:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
Furthermore, why do you care how many casualties we have?

I think he cares a fuck of a lot more than Bush does.




Dumb post of the day.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: shakta]
    #1781551 - 08/05/03 02:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Remember third grade?  :rolleyes:


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Xlea321]
    #1781799 - 08/05/03 03:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I actually made it past 3rd grade. This guy just said the Cole was fair game, and you think he cares more about American soldiers than the President? That makes a whole lot of sense.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: shakta]
    #1782014 - 08/05/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
This guy just said the Cole was fair game, and you think he cares more about American soldiers than the President? That makes a whole lot of sense.


Saying the military is fair game is not at all the same as saying you don't care for them.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Cornholio]
    #1782024 - 08/05/03 04:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree. The Cole was attacked by terrorists not by a foreign military they were at war with. Bush may have many flaws, but not caring about the soldiers is not one of them.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: shakta]
    #1782162 - 08/05/03 05:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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shakta said:
I disagree. The Cole was attacked by terrorists not by a foreign military they were at war with. Bush may have many flaws, but not caring about the soldiers is not one of them.


Ok, I agree it's unfair to say he doesn't care about the troops. It's just that he cares more about control of oil, which is why he gets the bad rap.


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Cornholio]
    #1782184 - 08/05/03 05:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I tend to disagree about the oil thing to. The Iraqis are going to be profiting off of the oil not us. I am sure we will be buying a lot from them though. We will be using the proceeds from the oil to help pay for the rebuilding probably for a while. I don't really want to get started on this subject though, so nevermind. :smile:


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: shakta]
    #1782236 - 08/05/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
The Iraqis are going to be profiting off of the oil not us.  We will be using the proceeds from the oil to help pay for the rebuilding probably for a while.


Didn't you just contradict yourself?  :wink: 


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Re: Unreported cost of war: 827 Americans wounded [Re: Cornholio]
    #1782249 - 08/05/03 05:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No. Once the country is rebuilt they will be reaping the benefits of their oil as it should be. I would argue that rebuilding their country is profitable for them to. This is not limited to the damage we inflicted either. A lot of it will be repairing 30 years of neglect, and fixing what the Saddam loyalists have been destroying.


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