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Re: an important conversation between sillysimon and fastfred [Re: sillysimon]
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They are i believe a important spiritual part in getting in touch with nature, but cmon man they are JUST shrooms. There has to be more to life than "shrooms" even the word sounds whorish. What about the people who have been mentally illed because of shrooms, how can you justify that. Dont obsses, i bet in 10 years or so you'll be over them and realize you dont need them. If you came back and read this post you would probally laugh at yourself and walk away saying "what a joker".

MBA

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Re: an important conversation between sillysimon and fastfred [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
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Just 'shrooms? *GASP!* Somebody get a rope!


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Re: an important conversation between sillysimon and fastfred [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
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Hehhehe!

Well ,in every occasion of people going "mentaly ill" of "shrooms" i have heard there was something wrong at the first place.THeir mentality.If people tend to abuse them or dont follow some basic "rules" that decrease propabilities of injuries,they are just abusing themselves and increasing the propabilities of something bad happening...

No reason to obsess though :laugh:


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Re: an important conversation between sillysimon and fastfred [Re: Psiloman]
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Well ,in every occasion of people going "mentaly ill" of "shrooms" i have heard there was something wrong at the first place.

This is apologist double-speak by the mushroom proponents and is as bad as the stuff put out by prohibitionists. One cannot be determined to have a pre-existing condition after-the-fact, especially given the fact that the mechanism by which psilocybin affects the brain, and mental illness in general, is not well understood.


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zengecko [Re: ZenGecko]
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my way?.... i dont know where you gather this from.. but does the word "shamanism" mean anything to you? i am simply offering a "different light"

im am not dictating any authority either.. i think this thread strikes peoples insecurities about life or something because this is a negative aspect of what i wanted to achieve..

and keep in mind that i only partly wrote some of the dialouge in the first post...

a judgement is the way that our minds work.. if i see a fucking drinking glass with a crack at the bottom of it... i am going to make a judgement that that glass is going to leak water...
i make a judgement that "most" unfertilized minds disintergrate..
no sense of compunction, no grasp of reality, synthesized,paralyzed...
YES I MAKE JUDGEMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE AND I DO NOT CONFORM TO THIS WHOLE... WE ARE ALL THE SAME LEVEL.. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT.. AND IM NOT TRYING TO BE EGOTISTICAL, IM NOT SAYING I AM BETTER.. I AM SAYING CERTAIN OTHERS ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF THE GIFT OF BEING ALIVE AND THE GIFT OF HAVING A TOOL LIKE PSILOCYBIN AND OTHERS LIKE IT...

good for you, i wish for you all to question everything that you hear... that encourages your mind to function indepedently, a problem with our society is that almost every activity/thing we do promotes de-activation of our minds.. maybe not literally, but at an energy level, the thing that makes all of our bodies and minds tick... the energy is fading..
that is my judgement.... the level of holiness to our reality as human beings all together is fading.. the majority is not to blame... but to frown apon.. the blame is on the authorities, and what is the authorities made out of? average everyday people.. they arent superheroes from other planets... they are just people that dictate our choices for us..average people that make up our population.. the commercial, industrial.. etc,

am i dictating anybodys rights? NO.... I REST MY CASE..


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bleak [Re: BleaK]
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bleak the first statement i spouted off was a mocking of christanity.. saying that CHRISTIANITY ( and other religions like it)
SODOMIZE ASCENSION OF THE HUMAN SOUL.

" the only difference that ive found between the "shallow" and the "full to the brim" people, is in how they apply their abilities/energy/will.
again i state, mushrooms are only one means of altering perception/energy.

maybe you should get into psychology/sociology.
it might help you explain these "shallow" people. i bet you would find more productive ways of describing them and their "disorder"


"of course their are many many other ways of receiving enlightenment and pschedelics are not totally necessary.."

i dont need a more convincing way of describing "dead" people...
i have the grammer skills ( not that complicated at all) to voice my opinion on how these people see blindly, live sadly, and die inside effortlessly.. allt hoguh some is similar to leary...THATS NOT all LEARY.. but yes they are exzplanations from other philosophers.. is their a problem with that.. huh?... if i said the color blue was blue.. would you need to come up with a different phrase for that color? so you could feel like an individual?

yes a gift does imply a giver. and the giver in my opion is the visionary artist of creation.. just read this so we can get on the same level.. note this is off shroomery..

If we are interested in apprehending the ultimate nature of the reality process, then it makes sense to home in on consciousness, since consciousness represents the interface to the ?world out there? and everything imaginable. If we can understand what consciousness is, then we might also understand how consciousness is able to be transformed and whether such a transformation does indeed yield bonafied insights to the subtle nature of Nature. Nothing less than reality is up for grabs. What I eventually hope to show you is that consciousness itself is a form of information just like physical matters can be described in forms of information: that reality consist of the evolutionary flow of self-organizing information, with human consciousness occupying a significant role in the entire process. However before we can explore the exciting insights that such an informational model yields, we must first start from the beginning. That is we must look more closely at the obviously important physical relationship between psilocybin and the human brain. Now getting acquainted with the full spectrum of the psilocybin experience (and others like it), it is time to focus attention upon psilocybin?s physical modus operandi. If we can get into grips with how alkaloids like psilocybin work their spectacular effects upon the human psyche, than well be one step closer to a preliminary understanding of the nature of the conscious human mind and the underlying factors governing the switch from normal awareness to the mystical perception of an intelligent other.

yes an intelligent other that has given us the gift of self organization..
the "puzzle" fits together to well to have happened by chance..IMO

"the CLEAREST possible logic maybe is the best thing ive found. it doesnt work most of the time tho.""you cannot use the language of butterflys to communicate with cattarpillers"

TRUE BUT I AM REALLY NOT INTRESTED IN APPREHENDING PEOPLE WITH NO POTEINTAL.. a sort of test is in use to see natural progress on their own.. and again I STATE.. i am only here offering a different light....to the unaware


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In the dawn my toes are cold They spread their little trinkets on the ground In the hall By the closet door They creep into my bed without sound On a cube In a plastic egg A hundred fabric figures in a pile See them march Toward me And dance across the floor trippily Little faces keep no track of time Little faces speaking out in rhyme Little faces smiling in my mind Tiny doors For walking through sticky fingers clutch forbidden things the phone For talking through Sinking ships On a foamy sea That tumbles from the motion of filthy Little hands In the dark When eyes are wide listen to secrets that I tell In a ball On tiny beds Or beneath them where the shadow people dwell moon Beams split the night Leave bars of yellow pasted on their faces As they drift into a dream

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gettinjiggywithit [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Silly,

Do you realise that you said that you want to win minds? Do you have any idea how disturbing that sounds?LOL It sounds like you are being used by the dark forces to rally up minds for them to use.

If I caught myself saying that, I would start looking for the puppet strings. I only refer to dark forces because you are in a battle to win something and all battles require two sides. I know you will want to think that it is the side of the LIGHT forces and it makes no difference which side wants to win more minds or souls.

read the thread again.. I DIDNT SAY THAT.......

Stop and reason with this for just one moment, battle is battle and fighting to win peoples minds is selfish, sick and possesive and this is why a lot of channelings from the polarized light side turned me off to their cause because I have grown to see that. The light and dark standing alone are only half a complete being which is why they are both insecure. While we are caught up in duality we are a pawn in the game of light versus dark etc.

i agree partly.. but i dont want to be a corporate winner, i want to be a other option.. no i dont want to make a mass consumer project out of this... thats not my idea.. the only duality i speak of is .... the perception one obtains after enlightenment and the opinion they have on other un-enlightened people.

The light wants to win the minds of the dark so it can feel whole and the dark wants to win the minds of the light so it can feel whole. Why not integrate them both and balance them out and put yourself in mastery of THEM?

i dont necessarily see the people as dark.. i see the people that programmed them as IGNORANT**........not dark...

Niether side wants to stop and say, "well gee if I stop hating and fearing the other, i may see that I too have that side within me and when I accept that, the war will be over and I can go home in peace"

you go off on a rant partly you have created the basis for... so this makes no sense to what i am talking about.. IMO

I thought the goal of spirituallity and raising consiouness was to overcome the inner duality struggle and move into soverignity, self mastery and personal growth.

tht is exactly what i want to help others acheive buddy..

Maybe the reason why you posted this is because something in you was begging to get your attention to hear these considerations.

i posted this to have different opions on the subject matter.. and see what people think about a mushroom being a sacred, medicinal thing... or JUST BEING ANOTHER DRUG

I am not on a high horse either. I've temporaliy found myself getting into power struggles even here. When I catch myself, I laugh, recenter and let go of it.

this is no power struggle.. no capitailization of human consciousness..
this is a offering hand to help.. not doctate..

GEES HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THESE THINGS....


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In the dawn my toes are cold They spread their little trinkets on the ground In the hall By the closet door They creep into my bed without sound On a cube In a plastic egg A hundred fabric figures in a pile See them march Toward me And dance across the floor trippily Little faces keep no track of time Little faces speaking out in rhyme Little faces smiling in my mind Tiny doors For walking through sticky fingers clutch forbidden things the phone For talking through Sinking ships On a foamy sea That tumbles from the motion of filthy Little hands In the dark When eyes are wide listen to secrets that I tell In a ball On tiny beds Or beneath them where the shadow people dwell moon Beams split the night Leave bars of yellow pasted on their faces As they drift into a dream

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Re: an important conversation between sillysimon and fastfred [Re: Swami]
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I agree on that one Swami.When i said "there was something wrong at the first place.
" i did not mean it in the terms of mental illness solely.I mostly meant it in the sens of "abuse/misuse".Take for example people that take 2-3 different psychiatric medicine and come in here asking if its ok to take shrooms...Well,they are asking for it,but if they get messed up they will blame the fungus.At least the fungus cannot sue them!

Taking some precautions before indulging cn act as a safety belt.Not obliterating every possibility of a bad reaction but minimizing it...


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MBA [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
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They are i believe a important spiritual part in getting in touch with nature, but cmon man they are JUST shrooms. There has to be more to life than "shrooms" even the word sounds whorish.

IM NOT SAYING THAT IS IT. MUSHROOMS THE ONLY WAY.. THAT IS ALL!..
im am saying that they are an important medicinal option to the un-aware minds that walk the majority of the earth..

their are many other ways of receing enlightenment.. of course...

i dont even eat them!!!!

DID YOU HEAR THAT .. I DONT EAT MUSHROOMS OR USE ANY TYPE OF DRUGS.. I USED TO, BUT I AM PAST IT ALL NOW.. I DONT NEED THEM, IF I CONTINUED THAT IMO it would be selfish...


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know I DO NOT EAT THEM [Re: sillysimon]
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i dont do any type of drugs at all anymore...It is man who decides how each substance is used, and its mans beliefs and perceptions that give this neutral substance the attribute to heal or destroy. Once the conscious has been developed into a relationship being able to grasp the nature of consciousness, to continue the process of therapy is indeed selfish and potentially dangerous. Humanity and the essence of life, together, is a psychedelic, natural hallucinatory dynamic. The essence of that is more than just tripping, more than just a single alteration in consciousness; all consciousness is part of a bigger picture. The miracle of being endowed with a body, mind, psyche, and all the tools to prosper it, were not meant to be abused to gain a status of gratification or visual stimulation, there is a deeper meaning to everything. It should help you learn that you have the ability to feel the perfection of every moment without anything enhancing your mind except life. Neglecting the conscious is extremely possible: coveting or becoming fixated on such a sacred informational model to allow you to gain a temporal lattice of the mind. Some of the mushroom celebrants will inevitably start up the ?high? escalator to the next plateau, once there, the de-escalation process starts, it is difficult for many. You can build an ugly ego and abuse has a lesson that has a meaning that words can?t describe.

SO IM NOT FUCKING OBSESSING... YOU PEOPLE ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, TAKING DIRECTIONS THAT ARE UNINTENDED AND "WHORING" THE SACREDNESS OF THIS OPTION IM AM OFFERING.. IT IS NOT A BATTLE, NOT A PRESUITE, NOT A STRUGGLE..
GOT THAT?

IT IS A GIFT


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