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The Riddle of Words
    #2996332 - 08/12/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Words, as everyone knows, are nothing more than a symbol. When spoken, they exist as soundwaves, fluctuations in air molecules. When written they exist as a collection of ink molecules. Yet we are able to attach a meaning underneath the obviously inert medium.

When you go to explain a word, how do you do it? With words of course! A definition is no more than a new encryption of the same idea or expression, in such a way that more people can "understand" it. How do we know they understand our words? They tell us... with words. We have no actual evidence that words have the same meaning to others as they do to us, because it is our main way of communication. Sure we have body language and that shit, but is that any different? No.

So, we can never be sure if the neurological happenings of our own ideas and thoughts are even communicated at all. For all we know, we could be speaking gibberish to everyone, and not recieving their message properly to tell us so. This would imply delusion, that the entire make-up of our existence is one cruel assumption that can never be proven.

However, now you have just scanned by this collection of emitted light that is my message. I have no idea if anyone recieved even a remotely similar mindset as mine when I wrote this. I could ask, you could answer, but the huge assumption is still there.

Or I could type in a bizarre language that only I understand and to you it would come off as utter nonsense, yet to me rereading it, it brings back a prior idea or mindset that once was my own.

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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2996356 - 08/12/04 05:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

telepathy?

i have had the odd experience tripping with a peticular friend.
i will say something completely insane, un-grammatical....
and he will understand completely..

or so he says...


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2996358 - 08/12/04 05:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

good for you


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2996368 - 08/12/04 05:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

BleaK, that is still an assumption. A word triggers a reaction unique to each person based on their past experiences. Telepathy seems to be the "cure" for this, but this still relies on assumption. Our whole life revolves around the assumption of existence external to our own.


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2996389 - 08/12/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i didnt realize you were looking for a serious answer,
i think thats funny.


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: BleaK]
    #2996426 - 08/12/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

A perfect example of the inability of words to convey equal messages to different individuals :smile:


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2996437 - 08/12/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

not to put you down.
i have this problem pleanty myself

but could it be the incompetence of the speaker?>
or a combination of that and the imcompetence of the listener?

perhaps under the right circumstance, words could be very effective.


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: BleaK]
    #2996638 - 08/12/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It isn't necessarily incompetence for either the speaker nor the listener. Rather, just a difference in their understanding of the words presented. Especially written words, as they lack the other layers of communication present when speaking (tone, volume, etc.)

I believe words can be effective enough, otherwise I wouldn't be typing this right now (or wouldn't have typed this out before - for people reading this). I think 'very effective' is a push though, for that would only occurr between two very likeminded (identical) people.


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2996953 - 08/12/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

if ppl were more competent, they might be able to compensate for their differences in understanding..
that was my idea...


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: BleaK]
    #2996971 - 08/12/04 08:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yet it is impossible to acknowledge the differences. That was the idea of this post :smile:


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2997009 - 08/12/04 08:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

hmmm, nice argument,
tho i dont know if its "true" or not....

we might be able to acknowlage some/all of the differences.


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #2997075 - 08/12/04 08:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that the languages could use an overhaul. The vast majority of my experience feels utterly unspeakable. Even with millions of words it would be impossible to communicate in detail the structures inside your mind.


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Re: The Riddle of Words [Re: deff]
    #3001326 - 08/13/04 04:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Words don't express with complete justice or accuracy. But the evolution of man, these symbols known as words help a lot!!!! You can express yourself much better now then you ever could. It's probably somehow pollution to your mind, but it's the only way to leave with a lot of people and be free and civil. Which are both forces that seem to be undeniable.


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