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Son Of God
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Liberal Democrats Have Destroyed The Black Community
    #2965380 - 08/04/04 06:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Economist Walter Williams has often claimed that well intentioned liberals have done more damage to the black community that hundreds of years of slavery, oppression, and Jim Crowe laws.

I am reading a book by Thomas Sowell entitled "The Quest for Cosmic Justice". Sowell is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is a conservative economist in the proud tradition of Milton Freidman. Here are a couple of passages. I have no link, I have to retype it. Sorry for any typos, they are mine and not his.


In the United States, for example, many of the social problems of the contemporary black underclass are almost automatically attributed to "a legacy of slavery." The prevalence of fatherless families in the black ghettos, for example, has been widely explained by the lack of legally constituted families under slavery. But if one proceeds beyond plausibility and guilt to actually seek out the facts, an entirely different picture emerges.

A hundred years ago, when blacks were just one generation out of slavery, the rate of marriage in the black population of the United States was slightly higher than that of the white population. Most black children were raised in two-parent families, even during the era of slavery, and for generations thereafter. The catastrophic decline of the black nuclear family began, like so many other social catastrophes in the United States, during the decade of the 1960s. Prior to the 1960s, the difference in marriage rates between black and white males was never as great as 5 percentage points. Yet, today, that difference is greater than 20 percentage points- and widening, even though the nuclear family is also beginning to decline among white Americans....

Here is a comment from Sowell on historical black employment.


The fact that large numbers of black Americans today who are not in the labor force has also been one of those things causally (and often rather casually) attributed to slavery. But again, if we go back a hundred years, we find the labor force participation rates among blacks were slightly higher than among whites, and remained so, on past the middle of the twentieth century. If we want to know why this is no longer so, again we must look to events and trends much closer to our own time.

The black nuclear family has been virtually disintegrating since the 1950s. Black rates of employment have deteriorated since the 1950s. Black literacy rates have also suffered a steady and disastrous decline since the 1950s. How did this happen? Because well intentioned, "morally superior" liberals wanted to help them though social welfare legislation. If anyone else has a rational explanation, I would like to hear it.

On the anniversary of 60's Civil Rights legislation, you don't have to go far to hear liberals and black activists saying things like, "It was a great step, but so much more needs to be done." Looking at the disastrous effects of their programs, one has to ask liberals if they think that they have already done enough.

The great thing for liberal policies during the past 4 decades is that their programs are self sustaining to an extent. The War on Poverty created more poverty, so why not throw some more money at it? Surely the only reason we weren't winning was because the programs were under funded! In spite of all empirical evidence, the solution was always to spend more and not less.

Big Government is always the solution to these people. John Kerry is a 1960s new left liberal himself. He wants to make health care a right of every American. After seeing the great success of government housing and government schools, we should all be chomping at the bit for government healthcare.

For 4 decades we have pursed Great Society policies, and we have created an undisciplined, uneducated and violent black underclass whose first reaction is to stick their hand out while complaining of injustice. Liberals have convinced them that the evil white man, not personal responsibility, is the cause of all of their problems. There is a firm entrenchment in the entitlement community that government can solve their problems.

Conservatives are often painted as racially intolerant, if not outright racists. Black conservatives like Thomas Sowell are often accused of being sell outs or Uncle Toms. Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas has been vilified as a traitor to his own people. Colin Powell was called a "House Nigger" by one liberal activist. Just for saying things like I have said, some people would be glad to paint me as racist, intolerant, or "mean spirited".

"Mean Spirited" is my personal favorite. Somebody can come to a liberal with an argument that is based upon rational thought, sound logic, and empirical evidence. Their response to that is "You are a big meanie." Now if that doesn't raise the level of discourse and cut to the heart of the problem!

All the evidence is out there. The Great Society has failed us as a nation. It is all over but the crying.

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Re: Liberal Democrats Have Destroyed The Black Community [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2965522 - 08/04/04 06:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are not meant to throw every single black person together in a uniform group. They simply refer to a general trend.

Another awesome post. Public education has also played an enormous factor in harming the black community(though it has done the same to all communities):


By 1940, the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites, 80 percent for blacks. Notice that for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were nevertheless literate. Six decades later, at the end of the twentieth century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can?t read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled. Before you think of anything else in regard to these numbers, think of this: we spend three to four times as much real money on schooling as we did sixty years ago, but sixty years ago virtually everyone, black or white, could read.

-The Good Old Days(Article unrelated to the topic at hand but I'd strongly reccomend you guys check it out)

Much to the chagrin of the statist, government does not cure the ills of society. On the contrary, it almost always exacerbates and quite often CREATES them. The black community needs(note the difference between needs and desires) more than anything else to not be treated like inferiors. The liberal would look at me dumbfounded as I say that, rattle down the list of how they promote equality via affirmative action(reverse racism), welfare(encourages single mothers, cracked out fathers, and the absence of any personal responsibility whatsoever), minimum wage(almost always hurts black teens more than any other group), and rent control("In many cases rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city?except for bombing." -Assar Lindbeck). I can only look back and sigh.

?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'

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Re: Liberal Democrats Have Destroyed The Black Community [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2965610 - 08/04/04 07:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly, most the measures nowadays are just reverse racism. Minorities will get funds and grants that whites cannot get, and can start clubs to say how much pride their race, but god forbid a white person do the same else they be called a racist. Everyone should be treated equally, in grants and funds and rent, and minorities should not get any more special treatment than a white man would get. It's simply ridiculous

So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Liberal Democrats Have Destroyed The Black Community [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2965623 - 08/04/04 07:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Liberal Democrats Have Destroyed The Black Community [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2965997 - 08/04/04 09:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

any war is going to create more war derrrrrrrrrr

but do you honestly believe THIS is the ONLY reason the populace is this way??

I have had first hand experience in seeing the welfar system in action, and don't get me wrong it SUCKS BIG TIME!!!!

but what you are saying is the same thing as if I said republicans are responsible for more drug use because of nancy reagan's "just say no" program.

have you lived in the ghetto? I have...and I can tell you, it's not just the welfare system.

a lot of it has to deal with drugs dude.

I will take one of my best friends for example.

crack cocaine was introduced to his father, and hios father went into it, REAL hard. when my frined was born, his dad and his mom were both junkies. what they cared about mostly was their next high. I would hope you would agree that education starts in the HOME, and when the home is in tatters, so will the child.

his parents didn't care about what he did. my friend was accustomed to seeing junkies coming in and out of the house, guns, and tons of coke. I remember him telling me how when he came home from school, he would go outside to play with other kids, and when he went to bed, no one wok him up for school. his parents never pushed him for an education, and so he rarely went. he was too busy trying to find food, and then cooking his own meals to wrry about what one plus one was, or how to pronounce that word "laugh"

this happened in the early years, where the FUNDAMENTALS of learning being, basic reading, writing, math, and other skills are learned, and he failed because he had no one to help him. sure the teachers were there, but what did this kid know of? easy, whores, guns, and drugs. he never went past 6th grade, and if you think he is a special case, you are dead wrong. there are way too many people out there like this.

and what do you think he does for a living. yep, he sells drugs. can he read??? yes, but barely, like I normally have to tell him what the mcdonalds menu says.

the fact that you only point out the black community and no other community displays yuour ignorance of all the other PEOPLE who have been affected by this downward trend, and that includes whites buddy.

so while yes, welfare does play a part, its not the only part.

Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Liberal Democrats Have Destroyed The Black Community [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2968182 - 08/05/04 01:53 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)


Ancalagon said:
The Good Old Days(Article unrelated to the topic at hand but I'd strongly reccomend you guys check it out)

That was a great article. That is probably worth a thread in and of itself. Those were some interesting facts that I did not know. It makes me feel a bit depressed because I wasn't aware how far education has really fallen.

On a different note, imagine if the KKK proposed legislation to ensure high minority drop out rates. Everyone would oppose that legislation.

But liberals push an affirmative action programs that put black kids in academic surroundings for which they are unqualified. On college campuses around the nation, black students drop out at higher rates than other students. But even though these drop out rates can be proven, the anointed pay no attention to them. They instead point at the students who graduate while they marginalize the victims of their legislation.

Wouldn't it be better off to let them attend a college where they are on solid academic footing? Wouldn't they be less likely to drop out? I would imagine it would be a humiliationg experience if someone took a kid from and average state college and and pushed him into MIT, Harvard, John Hopkins etc...you name it. The kids there suspect that he isn't really qualified. The teachers there suspect he isn't really qualified. They all patronize him, and intellectually he is blown out of the water. He may have graduated with honors, or even at the top of his class at a lesser school. But in our quest for social engeneering we have force some kids down dehumanizing paths. President Bush likes to speak of the "soft bigotry" of quotas. I doubt the bigotry in the bastions of liberal acadamia is quite so soft.

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