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OfflineDilauded
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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: ]
    #1237967 - 01/21/03 08:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

oh and this one too Right Here

I rest my case,
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OfflineGoBlue!
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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Dilauded]
    #1238082 - 01/21/03 10:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

And here's mine.
Oh, and this one too Right Here.
I rest my case



Dude, did you even read those articles???  The first one is all about how the press lied about Clinton's connections with Enron just to make him look bad, and the second one starts off by apologizing for lying about the same thing in a previous article!  The articles you posted completely support Fiend's case.

The second article does go on to say "the bad news for those who still worship Mr. Clinton is that Enron not only donated $100,000 to Clinton's 1993 inauguration but, according to the records, also added an additional $25,000 to the Clinton 1993 celebrations."

What the 2nd article fails to mention (I wonder why) is that Enron contributed a LOT more to the Republican party than the Democratic party, as evidenced by this link:

http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_totals.asp

Don't you hate when people get caught trying to fudge the facts?

Your case has been unrested!  :wink:     


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Dilauded]
    #1238107 - 01/21/03 10:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, Go Blue is right, the first article explains how the rumor that Ken Lay speant the night in the Lincoln bedroom as Clinton's guest spread from the Drudge Report to the Chicago Tribune (i think) to Fox News to the Bush election staff to the Washington post.

It then went on to explain how it was a false rumor that spread by projection rather than fact.

To tell you the truth, it sounds like a liberal publication.

And the second was like, "Ok, ok, so we can't hate Clinton for having Ken Lay as a guest, but......we can hate him for this, this, and this" It does have some suspicious aspects, but it doesn't explain about faulty finiancial reporting.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Dilauded]
    #1238293 - 01/22/03 03:16 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH.

I don't even know what to say, lol.

You rest your case, huh?

Try reading the articles before you post them next time.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Dilauded]
    #1238403 - 01/22/03 04:30 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"but my main point was that the left Socialist Communist are based on feeling good rather than the right is more based on hard work."

There are good thinkers on both sides. There are many intellectuals on the left, you've obviously never talked to many left leaning people.

Just because less of them wear suits doesn't mean they aren't intelligent.

The left is based on the idea that all of society should be treated fairly, and the right believes that the strongest should survive.

I've seen both sides argued intelligently here.

"Can you name a successful socialist/communist economy???? "

Denmark, Canada, Holland, etc...


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: ]
    #1239364 - 01/22/03 11:22 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'll stand by my side and you can stick to yours.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Dilauded]
    #1239468 - 01/22/03 11:57 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Dil, (hehehe  :grin:
Now I'll be honest, I like you, I think that you are a pretty intelligent person, so I don't want to come across as a dick,  but did you read the links that you posted, because I don't see how they support your argument. 


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Skikid16]
    #1239776 - 01/22/03 01:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

There must be something I'm missing. Someone shed some light.

From the Newsmax link

I must admit to an error in my most recent article on the Enron scandal. Lovers of ex-President Bill Clinton will be overjoyed to find that Enron's top exec Ken Lay did not stay at the White House 11 times.

However, the bad news for those who still worship Mr. Clinton is that Enron not only donated $100,000 to Clinton's 1993 inauguration but, according to the records, also added an additional $25,000 to the Clinton 1993 celebrations.

The documented evidence shows that Enron did make it into the Clinton White House by special invitation. Senior Vice President Terrance H. Thorn had coffee with Bill Clinton on March 5, 1996.

Many of the other attendees of the Clinton White House coffee sessions also make up a long list of convicted criminals, arms dealers and bagmen for illegal DNC contributions.

For example, Wang Jun had coffee with Clinton in 1996. Wang is also the president of Poly Technologies, the largest arms trading firm owned by the People's Liberation Army. Poly Tech is currently banned from doing business in the United States after several of its top executives conspired to smuggle machine guns into the U.S. for sale to a major drug dealer ? who later turned out to be a Customs agent posing as a gangster.

Charlie "Yah Lin" Trie, who was later convicted of illegally passing hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clinton/Gore re-election campaign, brought Wang into the White House. Trie also gave an additional $645,000 to the Democratic National Committee, and most of this money was from illegal foreign sources.



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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Dilauded]
    #1240413 - 01/22/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

the bad news for those who still worship Mr. Clinton is that Enron not only donated $100,000 to Clinton's 1993 inauguration but, according to the records, also added an additional $25,000 to the Clinton 1993 celebrations.

Like the link I posted above shows, a LOT more was given to the Republican party, meaning Enron favored the Republicans for some mysterious reason.

The documented evidence shows that Enron did make it into the Clinton White House by special invitation. Senior Vice President Terrance H. Thorn had coffee with Bill Clinton on March 5, 1996.

This paragraph and the rest say Clinton had coffee with certain people.  Ooh, he must be guilty of something!  :wink: 


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Phluck]
    #1240827 - 01/22/03 07:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Phluck writes:

The left is based on the idea that all of society should be treated fairly, and the right believes that the strongest should survive.

Hmmm. A little bias there, I must point out. What is more accurate is to say that the left believe the successful should be forced to give their money to the unsuccessful, and the right believe that individuals are responsible for their own lives.

Denmark, Canada, Holland, etc...

Those countries aren't really what I would define as Socialist. Which industries does the Canadian government own? They are more "interventionist" (in the sense of the government meddling in the economy) than the US is today, but hardly Socialist.

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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Phred]
    #1240859 - 01/22/03 07:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone has healthcare, and welfare is WAY more widespread. That's pretty socialist.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Phred]
    #1240940 - 01/22/03 08:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Hmmm. A little bias there, I must point out. What is more accurate is to say that the left believe the successful should be forced to give their money to the unsuccessful, and the right believe that individuals are responsible for their own lives.



That sounds a little bias too.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: ]
    #1241003 - 01/22/03 08:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think your argument has more to do with party affiliation, than one being liberal or conservative. Liberal or concervative really has to do with the way one thinks rather than any sort of party affiliation. However, at this point in time, liberal usually refer to the Democratic party, and conservative referes to the Republican party.

Defining one's self as strictly Democratic or Republican is silly, IMHO. Though I am pretty middle of the road, I usually vote for members of the Democratic party because the ideals which they represent best represent my ideals. Furthermore, the ideals which I believe in strongly, the Democratic party usually represents, and the Republicans oppose. This is not to say that I have never voted Republican, I have. Durring elections I never vote strictly on the basis of party. However, as I said, I generally feel that the Democratic party best represents what I believe in, and I choose to affiliate myself with them, for the time being. Looking through history, the parties have stood for different issues. Fifty years from now the Republican party may be affiliated with the left, and the Dems with the right. Or  hell, maybe neither of them will exist.  :grin:

Edit: fixed some spelling  :tongue:


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1241031 - 01/22/03 09:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"the left believe the successful should be forced to give their money to the unsuccessful, and the right believe that individuals are responsible for their own lives."

That sounds a little biased too.


I agree. That's totally biased, and complete nonsense.

It's interesting how conservatives and liberals never seem to have a clue what the other side thinks.

For example, a liberal would see homeless retarded person in the street and think "that's not right, someone should help this person", and so he would say "we should help the less fortunate". Then a conservative would come back and say "you just want a free handout".

Similarly a conservative would know someone who is milking the welfare system and doesn't feel like working since he is comfortably surviving, so they would want stricter welfare laws to ensure no capable person gets a free ride. He would say "we need tougher welfare laws". And the liberal would say "you just don't care about other people".

I don't know why this type of misunderstanding always happens. When I talk to my conservative friends, I'm amazed by how much we actually agree on things once we start talking.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1241048 - 01/22/03 09:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

silversoul7 writes:

That sounds a little bias too.

It all depends whose ox is gored, doesn't it?

I submit that my version is at least ACCURATE. The Left DO believe that the successful have no inherent right to their own property; the only things the successful are allowed to keep are what the Collective ("the Collective" in this context meaning the majority of those who bother to vote) ALLOWS them to keep. Do you dispute the accuracy of this statement?

In contrast, the right DO believe that individuals are responsible for their own lives; that no one has an inherent right to force others to support them. Do you dispute the accuracy of this statement?

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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Phred]
    #1241058 - 01/22/03 09:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I do not dispute the accuracy of your statement, nor do I dispute the accuracy of Phluck's statement. They are both pretty much saying the same thing, only showing a different bias.


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: Phred]
    #1241080 - 01/22/03 09:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You probably posted your reply before you read my post.

Yes, I agree with accuracy of your statement about conservatives.

No, I disagree with accuracy of your statement about liberals.

I don't believe the Government has any right to my personal property. I'm furious that the Government believes it can take my car away if I get busted with a little pot in it. My property is my property. Period. What makes you say liberals believe that the successful have no inherent right to their own property? (Here's where we'll find out why there is a misunderstanding).


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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1241090 - 01/22/03 09:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

GoBlue! writes:

For example, a liberal would see homeless retarded person in the street and think "that's not right, someone should help this person", and so he would say "we should help the less fortunate".

I have no problem whatsoever with someone PERSUADING me to help the less fortunate. If that's all that Liberals did, I wouldn't beef. But that's NOT all that Liberals do. Liberals enact legislation to FORCE me to spend a large portion of my life working for what THEY believe is a "good cause". And it's not just ONE "good cause", either, it's literally hundreds of "good causes".

Then a conservative would come back and say "you just want a free handout".

I have no problem with anyone wanting a free handout. I live in the Dominican Republic -- have been since 1988. There's a lot of people here with not a lot of money. There isn't a week goes by that I don't give out handouts -- VOLUNTARILY. I get to choose the recipient of my effort, and the amount of effort that each recipient gets from me. Every peso goes directly to that recipient, with no government rakeoff.

Similarly a conservative would know someone who is milking the welfare system and doesn't feel like working since he is comfortably surviving, so they would want stricter welfare laws to ensure no capable person gets a free ride.

I wouldn't define someone like that a conservative. Or, if HE fits the definition of "conservative", then I certainly don't.

I don't know why this type of misunderstanding always happens.

Two main reasons:

1) The terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" have been distorted to the point where they no longer accurately reflect a person's political philosophy.

2) Few people bother to check their underlying principles.

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Re: Liberals suck. So do conservatives. [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1241124 - 01/22/03 09:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

For example, a liberal would see homeless retarded person in the street and think "that's not right, someone should help this person", and so he would say "we should help the less fortunate". Then a conservative would come back and say "you just want a free handout".

Similarly a conservative would know someone who is milking the welfare system and doesn't feel like working since he is comfortably surviving, so they would want stricter welfare laws to ensure no capable person gets a free ride. He would say "we need tougher welfare laws". And the liberal would say "you just don't care about other people"




Excellent posting GoBlue. I totally agree.


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    #1241133 - 01/22/03 09:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think though, and any conservative minded person please feel free to disagree:

Your typical liberal wouldn't mind if a few lazy jerks got a free ride as long as 10 people who genuinely needed help got it.
Your typical conservative wouldn't mind if a few people in genuine need went hungry, as long as no lazy bums were getting free lunch.


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