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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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I would say that the results can only be very good, thanks for the suggestion im gonna test it out. It sounds like it would need to be reapplied after the first flush and after using punish tek, if you do reapply it, I imagine you could even get more flushes with this method

Edit:now that im thinking about it, punish tek really only applies to a pseudo casing layer, so you may get more flushes without needing to do punish tek


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Edited by langten69 (09/03/26 08:55 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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ogelite said:
Hey fungi fam!

Does anyone nowadays use myc water as innoculant and how is storaging and selflife?


Mush love



I usually use LI (Myc Water), but I prepare it right before inoculating the cakes β€” I don't reuse it afterwards. Although I think it should remain viable for a few days (or maybe weeks if refrigerated), as long as the mycelium's reserves last.

koma23 said:
Has anybody experimented using a true casing layer at spawn instead of at full colonization (for cubes)? Like instead of the pseudo casing we usually do or even on top of the pseudo casing ...

What would be the benefits and what would be the pitfalls, except possibility for contam - although with proper pasteurization ime this mix lasts a long time.



From what I understand, Cubes simply don't need a casing like other species do. They pin even without a casing.

If you can achieve canopies without overcomplicating things β€” it's just not worth overcomplicating things.

Hugs :heart:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Belintaf]
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langten69 said:
I would say that the results can only be very good, thanks for the suggestion im gonna test it out. It sounds like it would need to be reapplied after the first flush and after using punish tek, if you do reapply it, I imagine you could even get more flushes with this method

Edit:now that im thinking about it, punish tek really only applies to a pseudo casing layer, so you may get more flushes without needing to do punish tek



I've never reapplied a casing layer after the first flush, always thought it was to prone to contam.

Belintaf said:
From what I understand, Cubes simply don't need a casing like other species do. They pin even without a casing.

If you can achieve canopies without overcomplicating things β€” it's just not worth overcomplicating things.

Hugs :heart:



Yeah for sure no need to complicate if things are working out for ya.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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koma23 said:
I've never reapplied a casing layer after the first flush, always thought it was to prone to contam.




I re apply a new casing layer for the most part, I am not leaving hundreds of stumps and it would be a PITA to harvest.

For cubes I don't see any benefits at all though.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk]
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Yeah. I apply a casing layer to cubes if they blob out on me or other unique faults occur. It's like erasing and getting another go at it. In other species, it's a sneaky way to introduce moisture on otherwise fininky subs that rejects direct efforts to hydrate.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: DV8DUG]
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New casing layer = new chance to dial in surface conditions :thumbup:


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When my pies have nine lives?"
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
koma23 said:
I've never reapplied a casing layer after the first flush, always thought it was to prone to contam.




I re apply a new casing layer for the most part, I am not leaving hundreds of stumps and it would be a PITA to harvest.

For cubes I don't see any benefits at all though.



Man, I'm trying to wrap my head around your answer but I'm not succeeding: ), mind re-phrasing?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23] * 1
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@koma I believe he's talking about growing multiple species, and with cubes at least, it's not worth it for the casing layer.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Belintaf] * 1
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Belintaf said:
Guys, does anyone know how long Tidal Wave usually takes to pin on average?

Hugs :heart:



Damn, I literally just asked and the reply came through...



It's been almost exactly 14 days.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mistakes]
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He's talking about how he has a lot of pins that abort, and it would be a Pain In The Ass to pick them all, so he doesnt and just applies a new casing layer to makes things easier.

Im the same way but i just punish the surface with a fork by raking the matted mycelium, and its basically like a new casing layer after the first flush is harvested


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"Why try for high fives,
When my pies have nine lives?"
DUBJUG : H.D. : PLASTIC-MYC : TGE : JOIN CAKE WARS : MODERN FRUITING : MCWA : QDMT : ♾️ : MY FAV TEKS πŸ“–

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Belintaf]
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Ask & ye shall recieve


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When my pies have nine lives?"
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23] * 2
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koma23 said:
Man, I'm trying to wrap my head around your answer but I'm not succeeding: ), mind re-phrasing?



That's on me dude, good at English I am not :yoda:

So what I tried to write is that I don't use a true casing for cubes because I don't see any benefits from doing so, DV8 wrote that it can be convenient if something blobs or other similar situation.

I do however use a top layer(coir) and compress for cubes when I spawn and haven't had any blobs, still get microfruits from some albino varieties though.

Why do you want to use a casing for cubes?

But I do re-case after a flush on everything that needs a true casing, like pans, paps, zaps etc, I do it because when I harvest I don't want to leave stumps behind so I prefer to rip out clusters then cutting a lot of stumps in one go and not leave them in the trays.

Because I harvest in that way a tray will look like shit and patching it back up would suck, so I just scraped the remaining casing off and apply a new one.

After harvest


Scrape


New casing and back in the tub


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
koma23 said:
Man, I'm trying to wrap my head around your answer but I'm not succeeding: ), mind re-phrasing?



That's on me dude, good at English I am not :yoda:

So what I tried to write is that I don't use a true casing for cubes because I don't see any benefits from doing so, DV8 wrote that it can be convenient if something blobs or other similar situation.

I do however use a top layer(coir) and compress for cubes when I spawn and haven't had any blobs, still get microfruits from some albino varieties though.

Why do you want to use a casing for cubes?

But I do re-case after a flush on everything that needs a true casing, like pans, paps, zaps etc, I do it because when I harvest I don't want to leave stumps behind so I prefer to rip out clusters then cutting a lot of stumps in one go and not leave them in the trays.

Because I harvest in that way a tray will look like shit and patching it back up would suck, so I just scraped the remaining casing off and apply a new one.

After harvest


Scrape


New casing and back in the tub




Ah I see, perfectly clear now.

Why I wanna do it? Just being curious, wanting to experiment ... See if it improves some of the not so good genetics I have in my inventory.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23] * 1
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koma23 said:
Ah I see, perfectly clear now.

Why I wanna do it? Just being curious, wanting to experiment ... See if it improves some of the not so good genetics I have in my inventory.



Got it, and why not, shit I might try that myself next round with APE. I think I'll case after full colonization though, what's your plan :strokebeard:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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I love when experiment lead to better results

:coolcat::botch:


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When my pies have nine lives?"
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: langten69] * 2
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langten69 said:
I love when experiment lead to better results

:coolcat::botch:



Or just different results :awesomenod:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: langten69]
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Fr lol. I got 2 flushes outa my caerulescens n it didn't have proper surface conditions so i tossed it outside.shoulda recased tho didn't have that tool yet lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
koma23 said:
Ah I see, perfectly clear now.

Why I wanna do it? Just being curious, wanting to experiment ... See if it improves some of the not so good genetics I have in my inventory.



Got it, and why not, shit I might try that myself next round with APE. I think I'll case after full colonization though, what's your plan :strokebeard:



Haha I also just cased an APE, but I cased it at spawn. It's a particularly stubborn strain, has many pins but most end up being aborts.



This was the best flush I managed getting once (1L spawn) without a casing, just a normal top layer at spawn. One of the holes in the top pic is a clone I am working with now ...

I think I cased it once before but after 100% colonization the end result was smaller fruits.

Edited by koma23 (09/03/26 04:48 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: koma23]
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part of wedges in agar since 09-08 (more than 25 days) - APE in the left; Toque9 in the right...what happen with this? this dont grow anymore?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mobyhat] * 1
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mobyhat said:


part of wedges in agar since 09-08 (more than 25 days) - APE in the left; Toque9 in the right...what happen with this? this dont grow anymore?



Put them up to a backlight and you're going to see halos of bacterial contamination.
check this shit out for how to get free of that
Cabin sequestering and trenches are your friends


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Uncommunicated expectations are just premeditated resentments.

Edited by Mistakes (09/03/26 05:38 PM)

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