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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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Me too (if we are referring to guilt as before, then the idea I'd suggested would have us say, denounce an old guilty feeling/ or having moved on from it have that quotient filled by guilt around something more suited to our current standing, for example) but that - to see the unbroken chain/loop- is something of a thinking excersise more than a feeling one, IMO.

We might get feelings that end up pointing that way, but the nature of feeling generally puts me in the first person, even compassion and empathy start there. I find it easy to think out of the first person of course.


Requisite to cooperative regeneration as you put it. Having something to RE from, the way of striving, the way of returning.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Lithop]
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@ syncro, they all say a lot of things :wink:
But ok, I appreciate your additional writing there although at the minute I still look toward teacher & disciple alike on the path since- in our hands- only time and devotion are the differing factors.
Not that teachers don't deserve respect, but that the type of 'liberation' we can get here is as much in the hands of anyone as the next person.
I feel like those are the times we are in.



The tenor of my my post felt like the sand mandala, swept away, seeing counterpoints and humility after writing. In that "good kind" of humility that accompanies deep ease I considered the fruit of the power. Confusions come from the idea of being responsible for the power, not that we shouldn't be responsible, but we don't create ourselves. Accepting power in this case I recalled is accepting peace.

This is emphasized to let sink in. Peace actually is the form of the power. This world mind, my own, does not buy, or projecting that the world does not buy. Peace is power?

I'm reminded of the description of the annihilating force which reveals itself as peace (stillness, power, beauty, mystery). It is called the annihilating force because it leaves nothing else.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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"It's so dismissive isn't it? Of "that which is seen with the physical eyes" said in ACIM." and yoga, ...

Again my mistake because it doesn't dismiss but bring sweetness.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu] * 1
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"We've lost any sense of real community, in this dominant culture. How do we replenish one another and ourselves all together, right now?"

I was thinking of Maharaji, and just feeding people. I think it depends on our function, where we find ourselves capable and realizing fruition. Are not so many stifled in this world when it comes to purpose? It's part of the design for ego's sake.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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"How do we replenish one another and ourselves all together, right now?"

ACIM quiz: Remember the eternal promise we made to God?

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Well I suppose that the more we feed people, the more in-roads we find to Source/ The Field of Plenty. Oh, you need bananas? Let me go find that. You need maternal love? Let me find that too. How about stern discipline and boundaries... strength, courage, all the virtues like Lithop was saying, points of entry


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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The ancient promise I thought was a cool, obscure part of ACIM, only briefly mentioned, though the theme is throughout. When God created us, He asked a promise and we gave it. The promise was to be one with our brother.

Edited by syncro (08/11/26 04:22 AM)

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Also this one, just like one sentence. If we do this, become one again in bloom, liberated, ..., each will take 1000 years off the whole thing, the liberation of the world soul.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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I suppose you are also implying that, since we promise to be one with our brother and it is not possible to NOT be one, that we can relax a little and trust the process. The regeneration/liberation/salvation of the world soul is happening exactly the way it needs to.

ACIM:

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Lesson 71

Only God’s plan for salvation will work.

1. You may not realize that the ego has set up a plan for salvation in opposition to God’s. ²It is this plan in which you believe. ³Since it is the opposite of God’s, you also believe that to accept God’s plan in place of the ego’s is to be damned. ⁓This sounds preposterous, of course. ⁵Yet after we have considered just what the ego’s plan is, perhaps you will realize that, however preposterous it may be, you do believe in it.

2. The ego’s plan for salvation centers around holding grievances. ²It maintains that, if someone else spoke or acted differently, if some external circumstance or event were changed, you would be saved. ³Thus, the source of salvation is constantly perceived as outside yourself. ⁓Each grievance you hold is a declaration, and an assertion in which you believe, that says, ā€œIf this were different, I would be saved.ā€ ⁵The change of mind necessary for salvation is thus demanded of everyone and everything except yourself.

3. The role assigned to your own mind in this plan, then, is simply to determine what, other than itself, must change if you are to be saved. ²According to this insane plan, any perceived source of salvation is acceptable provided that it will not work. ³This ensures that the fruitless search will continue, for the illusion persists that, although this hope has always failed, there is still grounds for hope in other places and in other things. ⁓Another person will yet serve better; another situation will yet offer success.

4. Such is the ego’s plan for your salvation. ²Surely you can see how it is in strict accord with the ego’s basic doctrine, ā€œSeek but do not find.ā€ ³For what could more surely guarantee that you will not find salvation than to channelize all your efforts in searching for it where it is not?

5. God’s plan for salvation works simply because, by following His direction, you seek for salvation where it is. ²But if you are to succeed, as God promises you will, you must be willing to seek there only. ³Otherwise, your purpose is divided and you will attempt to follow two plans for salvation that are diametrically opposed in all ways. ⁓The result can only bring confusion, misery and a deep sense of failure and despair.

6. How can you escape all this? ²Very simply. ³The idea for today is the answer. ⁓Only God’s plan for salvation will work. ⁵There can be no real conflict about this, because there is no possible alternative to God’s plan that will save you. ⁶His is the only plan that is certain in its outcome. ⁷His is the only plan that must succeed.

7. Let us practice recognizing this certainty today. ²And let us rejoice that there is an answer to what seems to be a conflict with no resolution possible. ³All things are possible to God. ⁓Salvation must be yours because of His plan, which cannot fail. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/474 | W-71)




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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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"any perceived source of salvation is acceptable provided that it will not work" :lol:

"Seek but do not find."

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Well I meant more than just holding the promise, and I think you did too, but to practice doing it which is given to us to do with some effectiveness. For me it includes (affirming) being one with objectified perception.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Remembrance is that I suppose, of the promise.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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The passage is excellent just working it kind of.
"any perceived source of salvation is acceptable provided that it will not work"

Because it is projected outside. I noticed I was putting stress on particular circumstance instead of dukkha being in the body, mental or otherwise. It gave a wholeness to the focus instead of being split and was lifted. Not that it's always easy or seeming doable.

I read of a sage mother crying saying, "My children, what will they do without their sadhana?" Words to that effect.

I think in terms of others, society, we can give them fish, but they need to fish. It would go, the only way is spiritual, and there is protection and grace along the way. That including physical seva.

It was said, here too recently on meditation, if you are doing practices, life overall improves.

"A human mind discovers something true, and the cost of doing everything downstream collapses." The quote was about human innovation in the world. I thought it fit well.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
Well I meant more than just holding the promise, and I think you did too, but to practice doing it which is given to us to do with some effectiveness. For me it includes (affirming) being one with objectified perception.



Maybe this is a good example of the ā€œundoingā€ that ACIM talks about (since our main task is to undo all the learning we have done in this world, in order to remember the state in which no learning is required).

It’s a good example because, by affirming oneness with objectified perception, it is no longer objectified! It is Subjectified (capital S), beyond subject-object duality. Then weird stuff starts to happen… it’s like the world senses that you are onto it lol


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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Good reminder for me, trying to sustain it a little bit just out and about. For one I notice it removes a subtle fear impulse. All these dharmas open to the mystery. I often think that the core effect of all of them is to still the mind, but it's mystery.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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Movement doesn't particularly matter if it's one, like streams of current not separate.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro] * 1
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Love is in the air!


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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About more practical application of oneness, I think it's in the fruit as kinship with people, happiness among them. It works as its own entity, undercurrent. We don't know the caliber of larger thought form that follows its likeness, like the genii. In our larger mind, the ones where our ideas, thoughts, acts were dominant, are dominant, returned in untold dimension and awareness, independent of time.

The idea's a bit scary with habits, great with proactivity. I think where habitual, perhaps unskilled patterns may dominate in quantity, the aligned is with potency.

It's said the unaligned is not shared. That would contradict if one's genii are untoward. It's the power of the mind, the impossible and possible are switched.

It's interesting related to what Asante said. Anything unaligned is considered nothing, right? But also, to align excludes nothing, or only thought that is... attacking, oneself, others the same.

The teaching reveals a greater degree to which we are attacking, kept hidden.

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Re: Lost and Found [Re: syncro]
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syncro said:
In our larger mind, the ones where our ideas, thoughts, acts were dominant, are dominant, returned in untold dimension and awareness, independent of time.



Well this conjures expansiveness! A vision of unlimited expansiveness, room to move around and breathe in, finally


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The teaching reveals a greater degree to which we are attacking, kept hidden.



I would say, after recognizing the attacking impulse within ourselves, it would be good to see it as masking an inner appeal to Love, for Love.


Was trying to search for something in ACIM related to a call for Love, but came across this, which really struck me:

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Those who attempt to heal without being wholly joyous themselves call forth different kinds of responses at the same time, and thus deprive others of the joy of responding wholeheartedly.



It's a timely reminder for me. Without joy, what's the point? If joy is something to be found in the future, but not the present, what's the point? And then the effect that has on others, what am I teaching them in my absence of joy? Probably fear


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Re: Lost and Found [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
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To be wholehearted you must be happy. ²If fear and love cannot coexist, and if it is impossible to be wholly fearful and remain alive, the only possible whole state is that of love. ³There is no difference between love and joy. ⁓Therefore, the only possible whole state is the wholly joyous. ⁵To heal or to make joyous is therefore the same as to integrate and to make one. ⁶That is why it makes no difference to what part or by what part of the Sonship the healing is offered. ⁷Every part benefits, and benefits equally.




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