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Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ?
    #5540384 - 04/21/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is a text taken from www.watchmanreport.com . What i find interesting, is the way some christians are starting to see the deception behind george w bush and his administration. Are most american christians becoming controlled by some dark and evil power ? Why and how ?
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While Christians in America walk around in a consumer-driven, glassy-eyed fog, living the relatively good-life, waiting for Jesus to come and rapture them away, out of the time of trouble that is to come upon all other mankind, the world at large is beginning to hate American Christians more than any other species on the planet, and sadly, rightfully so. When the persecution of the church begins it will not be like it was in the days of Rome, good vs. evil, but will be fueled by the righteous indignation of unbelievers to the self righteous, the greatly deceived - the fallen who have come out of the true teachings of Yahshua, ?Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.?, in support of domestic and global oppression, torture and murder for the cause of the state (the literal beast) rather than standing for the true Gospel of Yahshua.

The Book of Revelation (which we are in the opening pages of now) describes the anti-Christian backlash of what we are currently witnessing in America's global domination and internal police state agenda, which is supported by mostly Christians who worship the president and his policies more than the teachings of Christ or even their own U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. This automatically creates an anti-Christ Christian, or one who is against the teachings of Yahshua when they differ from that of the policies of the beast (government).

Someone asked Benjamin Franklin, "What kind of government do we have." To which he replied, "A republic, if you can keep it." It appears that we will not.

The Christian church in America has been fed a carefully crafted fable of endtime events by the disciples of Satan in order to get them off-guard as to the truth of what end time prophecy is truly saying, and in effect has caused many to fulfill the ungodly roles of the very characters whom they see as some future manifestation. In other words, what we have perceived as some future prophetic events are actually happening right now.

The term Antichrist has been purposely twisted to mean something that the scriptures do not say, and we have believed a lie regarding this term rather than what the Word says on the matter. I often wondered, why would Satan do this? For what purpose would he twist the scriptures to make the term Antichrist point to some endtime world leader instead of what the Bible says? Now I understand, and the truth is both shocking and frightenly sad and will lead many who think they are right with God to great, great disappointment.

If you look up the word antichrist, you will notice the term is never used in the Book of Revelation or the Book of Daniel, the two primary books regarding end time events. However, EVERY scripture that does speak of the antichrist speaks of many, not simply a one world leader.

So why did Satan twist this term to equate to a one world leader? To take the eyes of the believer off of the truth regarding endtime prophecy, as the antichrist spirit plays a key role in endtime events, however, this antichrist spirit is not a world leader at all, but leaders within the Christian church who lead many of God's people into becoming antichrists also. How? By getting them to compromise the teachings of Yahshua in favor of supporting the ungodly and un-Christlike atrocities done by their government (the beast) and thereby they fall into the trap of worshipping the beast, rather than God. That is what is transpiring in America right now with many well meaning, yet totally compromised, Christians. The great end time deception is in full swing, and many there be who have been caught in it's snare.

If you support the policies of what is now occurring within America, the ?going over to the DARK SIDE? as Cheney was quoted as saying on the news show, Meet The Press, the torture, the incarcerations without charges, the mass killing and maiming of over a quarter million Iraqi civilians based on a proven LIE, and you still want to know who the antichrist is, you will find him very easily, and very close ? just look in the mirror.

The following may be considered Bush-Bashing, but it is not, it is Beast-Bashing! George W. Bush is merely a figure head of a much greater agenda, the establishment of the fascist government spoken of in the Book of Revelation, the New World Order or One World Government. Satan's biggest victory is that he has deceived many of God's people in helping set it up under the guise of a Christian endeavor?that bears all the fruit of the Satanic endeavor that it truly is.

Those who are offended may need to look into themselves and call upon God to know if they are guilty of worshipping the beast, rather than God. Bush is not the beast, as beast equates to a government, not a person. Bush is the current head of one of the beasts mentioned in the Book of Revelation. The fallen will not understand this without prayer.

Since the events of September 11, 2001, an evil paradox has fomented. It is beyond bizarre that while most unbelievers can see the overt, Satanic wickedness within the current executive branch of the government, the average Christian in America, like some kind of brainwashed zombie actually applauds the literal works of the devil! A proven LIAR, who approves the torturing of un accused, uncharged yet incarcerated for life men, women and children, a murderer and maimer of men, women and children, a deceiver of biblical proportions, yet the people who say they believe in God and the teachings of Jesus support and sing his praises, more so than the unbelievers who can recognize wickedness better than those who call themselves Christians.

No Christian can approve of what the Bush administration is doing and has done and follow the teachings of Jesus at the same time - it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE! God has given us clue after clue after clue of Bush's real nature and his evil intent for this country, yet we will not hear of it!

No other president in the history of America has ever been caught in so many LIES, deceit, overt robbery and treachery than this president - NOT ONE! Where is it in the Word where Yahshua taught us to support and coddle liars and deceivers? I thought that Jesus was pretty specific when he said, "Satan is the father of lies." So why are Christians practically the ONLY people left in America who still support this known, endtime deceiver of biblical proportions?

This is all a part of the endtime deception, as is the rapture, that many Christians in America will be begging for very soon. As Christians continue to support policies to torture the rest of the world, to kill and to maim other people's children, other people's wives, other people's husbands, grandfather's, grandmother's, mothers and fathers, they have, by their gross falling away, set into motion all the needed global resentment to literally bring to pass Revelation 18, the destruction of Mystery Babylon (America, and not the Catholic Church as some incorrectly interpret it to be) and ignite WWIII against America and Christians, which of course, will be for other people's children also, because we're all going to be raptured away. This is by far the most EVIL philosophy and mindset I have EVER witnessed in my fifty-some years on this cesspool called earth.

It's like someone lighting the fuse to destroy most of mankind and thinking they will be the only ones that God will allow to escape the horrors that they are responsible for starting! Look at these pictures, have we not brought the tribulation period to Iraq? How much worse can it be for them? What if this were your child in either of these pictures? Are we more precious in God's site than them? Yet we, in our extreme comfort and false security are able to laugh it off and go our merry way, praising God in our churches and not giving these poor souls a second thought, taking no responsibility, as these are not our children, they're other people's children, and they are certainly not Americans - Praise God! We make Him sick!

What, my fellow Christian? Were we bored? Bored of the fact that there was no evidence of God in our melancholy assemblies because we refuse to organize His church as instructed in the Book of Acts? So we needed to go out and kill people of another religion to bring us some purpose, some meaning, a goal in our spiritually dead lives?

Ahhh, killing and maiming Muslims is a righteous cause, as they hate our freedoms and don't believe in Jesus! Have we lost our minds!? How many Muslims will have to die for us to have our Satanic, blood-lust of VENGEANCE for the destruction of the World Trade Center? 100 million as one supposed Christian radio host stated? Most who have been killed, maimed and indefinitely incarcerated have never even heard of the World Trade Center!

At last count we have killed over 250,000 (a quarter of a MILLION), Iraqi men, women and children, shall we keep on going, us blood-thirsty, Fallen Away from the teachings of Christ? Wave the flag of the one whom you follow, but do not say that you are followers of Christ.

If we are suppose to be the Christian liberators of the people of Iraq, why then would we bomb and pollute their land with depleted uranium, causing many deaths and long term indescribable horrors to the civilian population? Is this the ministry of Yahshua or of madmen? We were horrified when we heard that Sadaam used chemical weapons on a small group of his people, but did Sadaam do this (in this picture) or did we? We have exceeded his atrocities against the civilian population of Iraq, and it is frightening to realize that the world has taken note - and hate us for it.

Do we honestly think that God approves these barbaric and Satanic actions? Do you honestly think He is going to rescue us by some theory called the rapture, from the reprisals of our own inaction and support of these atrocities? If you think so, please tell me, which God are you serving?

Well, I don't know what evil spirit has possessed most of the Christian church in America, but it is by far the most blind, evil, deceitful, selfish, spiritually ignorant, politically moronic, lying spirit to ever come upon the face of the earth. It comes with it's lies about you're going to be raptured away, so don't worry about all of the hurt you're supporting on the rest of the world, greed, avarice, selfishness, self absorption, self-preservating, all at the cost of every one else, INCLUDING OUR OWN CHILDREN! It is all about me, me, ME!

We have allowed and supported a president that has totally destroyed the U.S. Constitution and any hope of freedom and liberty for our own children! That is by far the most wicked and horrific SELFishness that a person can attain to, not caring about their own children's future, just to keep our sorry lifestyles safe and secure from the fabricated, evil terrorists.

The American Christian is the most fearful, deceived human on the planet. In our luxury of presumed invulnerability we spend our at-ease days debating who is the beast, who is the antichrist, what does 666 mean? Like deer caught in Satan's headlights we pant and drool over the Rubics Cube works of Satan and his plan rather than God's and walking in the truth of the teachings of our Savior. Ever fearing to be deceived, and in that Satanically driven fear (because fear certainly doesn't come from God) we have become a self-fulfilling prophecy of THE DECEIVED!

We support churches that in no way resemble ANYTHING of the churches of the Bible and false apostles who more resemble the money changers that Yahshua beat, rather than apostles that He loved. Preaching the false smoke and mirrors gospel of the everlasting Great American Dream at the expense of everyone else's suffering!

Yet we, in our deluded self-righteousness, all claim that we are the apple of God's eye, not like the poor Iraqi's, just waiting to be taken away in the Calgon Bath, false deception called, the rapture! We have fallen hook, line and sinker for the lies of Satan and supported the most grossly wicked president in the history of America and call anyone who is against this administration's evil, torturous and murdering policies heretics, unbelievers and the apostate, all the while, the spirit of deception that is upon us won't allow our grossly inflated, spiritual EGO's to see that we are in actuality, THE FALLEN AWAY, prophesied to come in the last days.

As I watch the strange goings on in our once benevolent country and the worshipful support of all of this wickedness by people who claim to be Christians, I shake my head in disbelief and disgust, along with a small remnant of other Christians, not willing to fall in line with the HERD mentality. We know that what we are seeing is a large group of our Christian brothers and sisters assisting the BEAST in building their own guillotines.

Because of this ignorant support of the prophesied to come, LAWLESS ONE, this antichrist (not implying THE antichrist), who openly claims to be a Christian, saying that he has done all of this in the name of the Lord, Christians in America are becoming hated the world over and even in their own country. Do you not see the trick being played on you in this deception? Christianity is purposely being demonized! How can anyone believe that all of this is the fruit of following our Savior? I only find contradictions to these actions throughout the Gospels in the Bible.

George W. Bush, my hat is off to you. As people say that you are too stupid to be the Antichrist, you laugh, all the way to your torture chambers at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib and to the bank with our hard earned money, social security and the wealth of this nation and others you are conquering and plundering.

By the promise of spreading peace and democracy, you have destroyed many, or should I say it in terms of your fulfilling prophecy, by peace he shall destroy many.

You have successfully robbed and plundered the United States Treasury, destroyed the Constitution and Bill of Rights, preparing America for the government of the beast in Revelations. Like a common criminal, bank robber, with access to the American military as your muscle, you have literally pillaged the wealth of THREE countries, America, Afghanistan and Iraq, and you are currently working on number four.

You have taken control of the Afghanistan opium fields (now there is a Christian thing to do. Jesus should be proud.), destroyed and rebuilt, giving the rebuilding contracts to your friends and family. You, with your Grand Sorcerer, Mr. Pharmakia, Rumsfeld, with his overtly occultic hand gestures, have plotted and looted with phantoms of forced vaccinations in which you and your court magician, shall (and already have) profited greatly. Is this what is meant by the prophecy that they would not repent of their sorceries?

In your lack of response to Hurricane Katrina, you have exposed your blatant disregard for human life and other people's property, in the world and in your own country, and you ride on, O' great conqueror on the White Horse of the Book of Revelation, deceiving the masses that you are just a simple good 'ol boy. No, I cannot say if Bush is that final terror known as the antichrist, as there are MANY evil personalities at work in the Book of Revelations, and many antichrists, not just one, but he is certainly setting America and the world up for the tribulation, as the world now hates Christianity more than ever, in particular, Christians in America!

You are the most masterful deceiver in the history of this country and possibly the world. You have even succeeded in deceiving the vast majority of America and God's people, called in the Book of Daniel, the host of heaven, but as it is written - you have NOT deceived that small remnant called the ELECT, for we KNOW our God, and you are certainly not one of His.

Many will soon be wondering why has God's judgment come upon us and we have not been raptured? Because God is not as stupid as many have falsely perceived Him to be. The Fallen have started this mess, ?Christians? fulfilling prophecy, seduced and deceived by the true antichrists (plural - as it is in the Word), those who are guilty of worshipping the beast (government), rather than God, and they will by NO MEANS escape seeing and experiencing the result of their FALLING AWAY! They have made their bed - and are about to sleep in it! These are those who will betray true Christians and are to be eventually consigned to hell. When they stand before Yahshua and plead their case, ?Didn't we do this in your name and that?? He will respond, ?Away with you, you workers of iniquity. I NEVER KNEW YOU.?

To those who have compromised what we have been instructed by our Lord and Savior in these perilous and confusing times, if I were you, I would swallow my pride and sincerely repent and ask Yahweh to forgive you and ask that He would be merciful and allow you to escape that which is about to come upon America and the world, caused by our error and our falling away from the TRUTH.

You who put the evil day far away, and cause the seat of violence to come near; - Amos 6:3

When God's judgment falls upon America and bewildered people begin to ask, Why would God allow this to happen, not a word will have to be spoken in response. Just show them the pictures on this page. There is your answer.

MAIA


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #5540518 - 04/21/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thats too much to read so im just gonna say i wouldnt doubt it.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #5540699 - 04/21/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That is something that I have been preaching for a long time to friends and family.  The events of the last few years completely expose the true hypocrisy that prevails among the Christian right.  They fear the end of the world, so the go to church every sunday.  Yet, they insist on supporting an evil leader to strong arm these terrorists (funny how no connection between Iraq and Osama have been found).

People do not understand the lies that have been fed to them.  I've met people that insist to this day that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  Pull your heads out of your asses and see the truth.  To bad this will never change, since the Christian Coalition and other religious interest groups only continue to grow unbelievably powerful in Washington, and soon they will control the majority of votes.  Peace. :crazy:


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #5540776 - 04/21/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

One big problem I have with the "end times" crowd is that they believe that since the world's going to end soon, there's no need to worry about the environment. Also, even if they did see Bush as the anti-Christ, most of these folks eagerly await the coming of the anti-Christ anyway, as that's supposed to signal the second coming of Christ.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5541132 - 04/21/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Did you know that
THE WORLD ENDS TOMORROW AND YOU MAY DIE!?


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #5541227 - 04/21/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's."

True religion and politics cannot mix, because, as I pointed out to a young counselee today, love and power are like oil and water. You can shake them up momentarily but they will quickly separate and find their relative levels.

The only kind of religion that can combine with politics is exoteric, externalized religion. Then, people can pretend to assume the mythic roles while pointing fingers at the mythic satans. We do it and they do it. True religion is esoteric, internalized religion which cuts through the lies and deceptions. Spiritually aware human beings do not become politicians, lawyers, judges. Spiritually aware human beings are determined to "transcend the bullshit" as Ken Kesey put it, not wallow and luxuriate in power, greed, status, self-importance. The religions of the masses mixes readily with politics as it does with mental illness (and its numerous religious delusions). True religionists (not this or that world religion, but true adherents in all the world religions - the Gnostics rather than the finger-pointing Literalists) are apolitical. As The Fugs once sang in 'River of Shit":
"...Why is it that I alsways end up voting for the lesser of two evils?...I mean, was George Washington the lesser of two evils?...Sometimes I wonder..."


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5541371 - 04/21/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

True religion and politics cannot mix, because, as I pointed out to a young counselee today, love and power are like oil and water.



But is it not possible to have a sort of "politics of compassion"? There have been many great political movements inspired by religious values. Abolitionism, for example.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5541952 - 04/21/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

True, you've got your John Brown, but he advocated violence and was hanged, so he lived and died by the sword so-to-speak even while advocating a high purpose. That is just not a pure statement - precipitating the Civil War.

Then you've got Mohandas Gandhi who really was the real deal, but when you look at a good man like Jimmy Carter, he was not a good President. Fortunately, we had no war happening under his presidency. I'm afraid to say that a President must be a 'warrior-king' (two major archetypes) and NOT have much 'magician-priest' archetype active. Clinton had the 'lover' archetype going and he was a popular man (I'd personally like to hang out with Bill - even dose with him). It makes me wonder to what extent the deep structures active in our Commander-and-Chief effect the world-at-large.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #5542018 - 04/21/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, great text. That is exactly how I feel. I can't understand why so many Americans fall to the tricks they were played.

War on Terror ? What a nonsense ! Terror was there as there was a government, ever. With increasing the pressure upon those who are not with the government, you will increase the force against it. But that is, what Bush and his followers want, so they have more arguments for THEIR war.

Preemptive war ? Who ever invented that must have been out of his mind, to think that could stand longterm arguments. But a nice trick to cover his own aggressions.

Ps:Everyone should have atomic bombs these times ! That is the only short time solution for not intruded by global governmental one world nazi shit. And this attitude will lead to our DOOM.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5546794 - 04/23/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Again: who practices religion like its nobody's business?? That good WORD sure gets around quick. right??


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5546795 - 04/23/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So if everybody knew how to make honey, that would bee good.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5546796 - 04/23/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

does if matter if its blue or red?? Smoke some SALVIA and find out. Might take a while longer to make sense, though.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5546871 - 04/23/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder if OSAMA/U used his IPOD. Maybe it was a 'U'POD, now??


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5550186 - 04/24/06 04:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This seems related:

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story184.htm




Divine Mushroom Cloud: A Call to Worship

by Karen Horst Cobb

On June 2nd the god of America will be paraded before the people of the earth causing them to tremble in fear. Americans will again marvel as they worship the god of their own creation. Just like the restless Israelites in the desert who grew inpatient with god and fashioned a golden calf to protect them we have grown inpatient with god and fashioned a shiny idol of power. Southern Methodist University is working with the new clergy of death who have named the idol Divine Strake.

The 700 tons of explosives designed to simulate the effects of a nuclear weapon will create a glorious mushroom cloud. The goal of the ammonium nitrate and fuel to be detonated on Shoshone land will cover Las Vegas with a mushroom cloud and will measure 3.5 on the Richter scale. Some believe it is in violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty which banned all testing for nuclear weapons. This simulated explosion will show the "enemy" and the war planners how the real thing will impact the ground and the air in which a nuclear bomb is detonated. Specifically, it is designed to simulate using a tactical nuclear weapon on underground facilities like the ones we are told exist in Iran. If this were the real thing the death toll would be huge, people would be incinerated in a flash with no chance to "duck and cover", much of Nevada would be contaminated with radiation. For any who might survive in the surrounding area they would experience a curse of cancers and deformities which may effect their children and their children's children. The evidence of America's idolatry is clear. We have named it Divine, worship it in our churches and trust in its power.

The names for our God used to be the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace but the names of America's idol are Divine Hates, Divine Helcat, Divine War Hawk and we practice nuclear stockpile stewardship. Many people who identify themselves as being born again , who profess to be dead to self and alive in Christ, now put their trust in and honor the development and use of nuclear weapons. It seems that a massive shell game of mass destruction has occurred. The wizards of treachery have taken away the love of Jesus while his worshipers were distracted by politics. They have been manipulated by fear but Jesus said, " perfect love casts out fear."

Perhaps it is because many are unhappy in their daily lives due to relationship problems, economic difficulties or feelings of being disconnected. Perhaps they fear some impending doom and want to quickly alleviate their discomfort with the belief that there is a mighty force which can prevent more harm from reaching our shores. Perhaps they want to just "bring it on" so there are no scary surprises in the future. Perhaps they have an emotional need to believe they and their families are more valuable to God than those of other lands and cultures.

The Israelites who experienced the same human anxieties responded in the same way. They fashioned a golden calf which represented their need to find security against hunger, poverty and attack. They gave of their wealth to create it and celebrated their ingenuity and their ability to make a god. We read that God was angry with the people for corrupting themselves and for forgetting his promises to them. They trusted in the golden calf as they made peace offerings to it and believed it would protect them from the evil doers. After they had given their resources to the effort and confessed their faith in its ability to protect them they continued to party. Much as today's Christians supported invading the middle east after September 11 and then went shopping.

Clearly when the nuclear genie was first summoned from the bottle the nation gathered round and worshiped the power of their ingenuity. The Israelites began to follow the pillar of cloud after they repented from idolatry . We however, are following the mushroom cloud of our false god of divine hate and testing its power in the Nevada desert. Each year at tax time we contribute our wealth just like the gold smelters in the desert did when they took off their gold earrings to fashion the shiny calf. We sign our continuing pledge on our tax returns and offer our resources to our devouring nuclear god. As a nation we look for aggressive leaders who are able to bully the rest of the world. We bring out our god and parade it before our enemies and boast of its power.

Just like the Israelites in the desert we beg for a god to go before us so no harm comes our way. The actions of the fearful and proud calf worshipers of ancient times resulted in the Ten Commandments. The first and greatest is "you shall have no other Gods before me" (Exodus 34:12) and the other nine Jesus summed up as loving your neighbor as your self. Clearly many Christians in America have broken the first and greatest commandment which results in the breaking of all the rest. We can not embrace our neighbors with mushroom clouds. The nuclear god is a jealous god who will consume us all. We clearly have named our idol divine and support its worship in many of our churches.

Some leaders of America's churches remain silent on the topic of war while others proclaim its glory. Most embrace the writings and teachings of St. Augustine. When Rome was sacked by the Visigoths, the non-resistant Christians were blamed. Just war theory provided a way out of adherence to the peaceful teachings of Christ. It was a way to merge Christianity and nationalism. The church in America conveniently applied and misapplied the principles of Just war to rally the political Christians to support the war in Iraq. This embracing of violence works well for most church leaders since many of their parishioners work for companies who have military contracts, or have family members in the military as our state religion advances.

The trust in military might by many religious leaders is obvious. There are many blatant examples among political Christians. Jerry Falwell stated on CNN, "Blow them all away in the name of the lord." He and others like him are Zion's Christian Soldiers. The Council for National Policy (CNP) is the group of America's political preachers and leaders who worship the divine weapons and meet in secret. These efforts are fueled as the parishioners of mainline denominations are influenced by the para-church organization Promise Keepers. These well attended meetings are held in stadiums and attended by thousands as they support and honor the common perception of men as military aggressors. There are smaller para-church organizations which are drawing believers of all demographics into idolatry of military might. We named it Divine, we worship it and we give it power to protect us from evil.

As you have been told over and over," All options are on the table when it comes to Iran. Our president has told us he is the "decider" of who the evil doers are and who deserves to be killed. We are trusting in a man to use our man made god to destroy a perception of "evil". If the president's war planners carry out their plans many agree it would be the active beginning of WW III The nations of the world are already choosing sides and will contribute their own divine weapons to the efforts. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization(SCO) gives us an idea of how the two sides of a nuclear war will shake out.

Will we use a nuclear weapon against a threat which does not yet exist and call upon the god of this world - the god of power, dominance and military might? Robert Oppenheimer called the atomic bomb the destroyer of worlds. It has become our source of wealth, power, and the focus of our technology. We have made a deal with the devil and worship at the feet of destructive power. Many Christians won't publicly say they put their trust in our nuclear arsenal but secretly they breathe a sigh of relief that we have a national god of our very own and possess Divine weapons. Our trust in this powerful entity makes it easier to pursue the American dream and just keep shopping and owning more stuff to fill the love shaped hole in our hearts.

There are some Christians who have renounced the god of war, but more of our church leaders just remain silent. Is there any act of violence that our government could do which would cause church leaders who profess their love for the teaching of Jesus to make bold statements of love?. There is torture and they remain silent, there is imprisonment without charges and they remain silent, There are anal probes and sexual humiliation and they remain silent, there are children and women taken hostages, and they remain silent. There is the use of depleted uranium weapons which cause heinous birth defects and they remain silent, there are bomblets which children think are toys but which blow off limbs and kill them and the Christian leaders remain silent, There is the hell fire use of white phosphorous and they remain silent. There are proud boastful leaders who use Jesus' name while committing acts of extortion, thievery, and domination and falsely hold themselves up as martyrs for the false Christian god. Yet, most church leaders remain silent.

If the nuclear god is called upon to save us will they continue to remain silent? Will they continue to worship the power of the mushroom cloud in our churches? Is there any thing of Christ's words and example for which church leaders will take a stand? Is there any egregious act from which they can not look away? Those who live by the bomb will die by the bomb! This statement is not some sort of esoteric spiritual magic but is a result of natural consequences and the wisdom of the Living God. Sin is sin because the natural consequences are sure destruction. Death and destruction has been pronounced divine, churches preach it from the pulpit and look away from it's hellish fire destruction and human suffering.

Some want to ignore the issue and wash their hands of responsibly by repeating statements concerning the inevitable destruction of the "last days". Some repeat sentiments of old time hymns, "this world is not my home." Some voice the belief that we are to honor our leaders whom Christ placed in power. Or overwhelmed by the immensity of the situation, some acknowledge it's bad but just sigh, " what can you do?" There still is time to return to the peaceful message of Jesus. There is a Christ -like remnant, a church in exile and strong peace churches. Begin today to speak out.

Perhaps these are the "last days" but do you want to be on the side of love and compassion or on the side of death suffering and destruction? Will you be found worshiping the power of the living God or the power of the idol of death? Like it or not, for now this world is our home. Maybe you do not value your earthly existence but your earthy family members will suffer and die without you speaking a word of protest. In fact you will have contributed to the mass destruction. In a representative government the citizens are the leaders and responsible for influencing the laws. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but it is our responsibility to try. Yes it is bad but you can and you must do everything in your power to speak out to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.

The test on June 2nd , the trial run of the use of a nuclear weapon is still six weeks away. Perhaps we can make a difference and change the course of history. Everyone has three people representing them in Washington where the powers are unleashed. We each have two US senators and one US representative. If you don't know how to contact yours find out. Start by speaking out and shaping the actions of our representative government. Then, work in any way you can to make every church a peace church and live love and compassion. Chose ye this day whom you will serve.

Karen Horst Cobb wrote No Longer a Christian and No Longer a Christian - Part II published by CommonDreams.org in the fall of 2004 and several other articles on false christianity. She is a mother and a grandmother, and with God's grace, tries to follow the example of Christ as she speaks Christ's message to the world that there is no Government Issue Jesus (GI-Joe Jesus.) cairnhcobb@msn.com

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5550353 - 04/24/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Holy Smokes. "R E S P E C T... find out what it means to me."
Think people are in the dark or something?? Could be both.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5550355 - 04/24/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Who should speak to the world?? Christ himself??


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5551263 - 04/24/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have been preaching this for about half a year now. Until a year or so ago I hadnt even read the bible, didnt feel I needed too, and proclaimed myself agnostic. Well one day I ran out of papers and used the blank peice at the front of the bible, and after I smoked I said maybe I should read this since I just sort of commited what some would call blasphemy(I still dont think it was). Anyways I've almost finished it now, and the more I read about endtime prophecy in both teh new and old testament, the more I realized just how many things now that havent been able to line up until VERY recently.

For instance Isreal didnt exist until after WWII.
Aircraft didnt exist until 1900's
the mark of the beast is everywhere, barcodes, credit cards, drivers license. etc etc



The spookiest part for me isnt Revelations, its every other religious endtime prophecy. I've read many different prophecies, and I think that they are all coming true now not just christianity's.

The hopi indians for instance have a boulder in the desert they have held sacred for thousands of years saying that it would break as a sign of the passing of our age. They also have a picture showing three "great shakings" of the earth and third will end our age. They actually went to teh UN and warned them what was coming(of course no one listened).

Signs the hopis have passed down for thousands of years to give them warning. this is from memory so if i'm a little off my excuses.

the world will be covered in a spider web(power lines etc)
Iron snakes will cover the ground(roads of course)
Their children will lose their native tounge(first time in their history that has happened)

I cant remember any more but there were 10 I think you can google "hopi prophecy" and find it i'm sure.

The prophecies of the Koran and Eastern religions also point to things happening now, and when they prophecies do happen one will see that each is but a peice of the larger picture. People tend to believe their religions prophecy is the true one. I believe they are ALL true(to a certain extent there are always the false prophets around attempting to decieve us.)

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: pod3]
    #5554736 - 04/25/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

bible code is a litte hard for me to swallow since its in english alot of the time and the bible was writ in hebrew first and that woudl be when the codes were put in so yea unlikely to be true. We dont have the original hebrew either so I dont put in faith in it. It could be though who knows. Just curious but why do you think that the house of Windsor(thats UK royal family right?) is the antichrist. at the mometn im pretty sure is Iran's president.

wow so you think that what we are going to bomb Iran on 23 of may this year? My thinking led me to a year or so more down teh line but I've been wrong before. Peace

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: blaze2]
    #5554753 - 04/25/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Another interesting thing to note is taht the Isreali, Iranian, and American presidents all are governing while truly believing that this is the end times. Irans guy actually said a press conference in his country, "Human history will end in 2 or 3 years." think about a guy like that with a nuke. He might just be right.

I should point to everyone here that the "endtimes" is nto the end it is a beginning of a new age. It will be the earths 6th major extinction, but I'm confident humanity will survive. We made it through an ice age didnt we?


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #5561610 - 04/27/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It looked like it could be a good read but I had stop myself after I read:

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While Christians in America walk around in a consumer-driven, glassy-eyed fog, living the relatively good-life, waiting for Jesus to come and rapture them away, out of the time of trouble that is to come upon all other mankind,




Not all Christians believe in the "pre-trib" rapture, many believe in the "post-trib" rapture.

And there are literaly millions and millions of Christians who do not believe in the rapture at all.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: pod3]
    #5565133 - 04/27/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

wow
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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: blaze2]
    #5567185 - 04/28/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I should point to everyone here that the "endtimes" is nto the end it is a beginning of a new age. It will be the earths 6th major extinction, but I'm confident humanity will survive. We made it through an ice age didnt we?



If all this is so (and this thread is VERY concering I mean.............. I had no idea of the planned detonation in Nevada.... these leaders have the power to just stop messing with things and chill out........ what in the world is the point of this?) how is one supposed to survive?

If this is truely an event of divine ordination........ is keeping faith in love and refusing to support the war efforts of one's nation ensural of a "second coming" or liberation or survival of some sorts? This is all very odd.

I would prefer the reality in which one can simply say "I forbid this to happen" and keep a peaceful mind and hope for the best.

The future is an open book and to the extent that we have the capacity to choose, no matter how limited that capacity is, the future is not determined.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: leery11]
    #5578182 - 05/01/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what if all you had to do was kill the part of you that belongs to this world?? I know something that works. Even helps. Don't do what I did. Landed me in 'treatment'. Don't know if Haldol is good or bad yet. Can't remember. Shucks.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: blaze2]
    #5584393 - 05/03/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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the world will be covered in a spider web(power lines etc)
Iron snakes will cover the ground(roads of course)





Texas roads are made out of iron? (of course?) Here in Illinois they are mostly asphalt.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5585388 - 05/03/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

haha real funny, some indian saw a blacktop running across his land in a vision, and the only thing he knew that resembled it was an Iron snake. Its teh fact he predicted it that I find interesting not his choice of words. Peace

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5586598 - 05/03/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the iron are the cars on the streets...some see the iron snakes as railways.
The spider web is also seen as the trails of our airplanes, by some.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5629726 - 05/14/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We all see a little different I guess


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    #5629851 - 05/14/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Sporetacus]
    #6525116 - 02/02/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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the world will be covered in a spider web(power lines etc)
Iron snakes will cover the ground(roads of course)





Texas roads are made out of iron? (of course?) Here in Illinois they are mostly asphalt.




They do have rebar in the middle though. Like an iron Twix bar.. er I mean, iron snake..


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #6525139 - 02/02/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

By the way, the rapture was the Grateful Dead. So that's out of the way already and we're in the shit.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6531053 - 02/04/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I think this whole deal with Bush is blown out of proportions.

He is far to, how to say, unclever to be anti-christ, and not very tactical.

Humans are very easy to manipulate, and Bush can't even do that properly, because obviously he is getting objections from the common man.

I think the real antichrist will be someone that will gain simpathy from most intelligent people on earth, and seem right to everyone. Make everyone see in him what they want to see.
There are many other candidates that fir the description.

Bush is just another president.

I think the true evil will come in form of the most pleasant word. It will be peacefull, pleasant, liberal, making perfect sense, appealing to human mind etc. Bush is non of it.

Evil doesn't really take clear sides. It is always hidden within multiple places, places that are often oposites that conflic with each other.
So when the anti-chist comes, he will not be in one political orientation, or one nation, or one army or whatever. His evil is hidden in EVERY human phylosophy: christianity, liberalism, Islam, atheism, leff politics, right politics, globalism, nationalism, isolationism, pro-abortion, anti-abortion.

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: snakefinder]
    #6531286 - 02/04/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Christ is clever, the anti-christ I would fully expect not to be.

He doesn't win in the end or anything, he just fucks a whole lot of shit up trying to win before he loses. And it doesn't take a whole lot of brains to fuck shit up man.

His goal is to destroy all life on Earth, so watch for policies that tend towards that goal. And watch him be eventually defeated.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6531408 - 02/04/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Christ is clever, the anti-christ I would fully expect not to be.

He doesn't win in the end or anything, he just fucks a whole lot of shit up trying to win before he loses. And it doesn't take a whole lot of brains to fuck shit up man.

His goal is to destroy all life on Earth, so watch for policies that tend towards that goal. And watch him be eventually defeated.




The Lucifer is a trickster.

I say, look for the most common selse, forward looking, modern philosophy, the anti-christ is hiding somewhere in it, because he is clever, too clever for human brain, perhapse only not for pure human heart, which is so rare.

Bush is perhapse a tool, but he is as clueless as the next guy.
He is just a pawn in the end game.

Satan has done its part already, the human genome is corrupt beyond repair. His efforts will be now to preserve his heritage, save it from destruction of the final judgement.
God is the one who will bring the destruction of all corrupt life.

Many religious figures would use this to prove some kind of judgemental revenge attitude towards people they don't like, but
it's really only a purge, nothing personal, it's no punishment.
It's like the flood. The flood was there to destroy the giants, the Nephilim, not to punish anyone. The world was full of quasy-human twisted creations, which needed to be removed. Same as now.
Only this time, there is a way for anyone to save themselfs from the purge.

Satans job is to reduce the number of the saved ones to a minimum.
But I still think, all of this is not a plot to destroy life, but to enlsave it under one world government.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: snakefinder]
    #6532405 - 02/05/07 03:16 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

> Satans job is to reduce the number of the saved ones to a minimum.

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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Seuss]
    #6532982 - 02/05/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, that's the paradox I've often wondered about, but not too much..

Even God can't imagine what Lucifer was thinking, can he?


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6533057 - 02/05/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well, we all have a part of Satan in us. It is our genetic heritage.
It is our genetic heritage that is the origin of sin. We are hybrids between the line of Adam, and the sons of god who defiled the gene pool with their own seeds.


But I don't really care what his plan is, because it will fail, for one simple reason.
There is something his followers can't accept, and that is death. They are beasts that struggle for life so hard, because they have no alternative.
Followers of Jesus, had an alternative to this life, so they have the liberty to die and live again, if all else fails. They have nothing to lose, that is their advantage.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: snakefinder]
    #6533070 - 02/05/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to dust off the bible and re-read Revelations. I seem to remember that it ends with the beast and anti-christ all set to destroy the elect of God, and so fire comes down from God and destroys them.

So again, we won't win this all by ourselves, it will eventually require divine intervention...


Just make sure that you're discovered planting trees, or feeding the homeless or what have you when that day comes. :thumbup:


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6533078 - 02/05/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The world is going to end July 5th, 1998.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6533107 - 02/05/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The end of the world already began on Sept 11, 2001.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6533154 - 02/05/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Lightningfractal said:
I'm going to dust off the bible and re-read Revelations. I seem to remember that it ends with the beast and anti-christ all set to destroy the elect of God, and so fire comes down from God and destroys them.

So again, we won't win this all by ourselves, it will eventually require divine intervention...


Just make sure that you're discovered planting trees, or feeding the homeless or what have you when that day comes. :thumbup:





Of course God will never touch those who reject Satan. But when the destruction comes those people won't be on earth anyways, so destroying every follower of Satan means destroying all life on earth, at least all humans, but the beasts are all "infected" too.

Through rapture, all that are alive at the moment will be taken to safety, and the dead ones are probably already somewhere else in kingdom of god waiting to be put back onto a clean new earth.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6533170 - 02/05/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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The end of the world already began on Sept 11, 2001.




Had to define when the "end game" begins, but one could argue entire 20th century was a slow progression towards the end.

It will be very obvious when the actual end comes, so no need to worry that some people won't recognize it.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6533493 - 02/05/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The end of the world already began on Sept 11, 2001.

By 2001, the world will have been ended for three years.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6533622 - 02/05/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Day_(Church_of_the_SubGenius)

Oh yeah right, that's me huh? :rolleyes:


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: snakefinder]
    #6533638 - 02/05/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

What im most sick of, with the whole xtian prophecy worldview, is the "Satan" labeling knee-jerk response to anything that apposes a narrow minded xtian mindset. If it ain't xtian, its gotta be Satan kind of stance. Not very open-minded or conducive to spiritual progress at all.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Sinbad]
    #6533663 - 02/05/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No, it most certainly isn't, is it? Well, that's Satan doing that too. :grin:

If everything is labeled Satan then we won't know where he really is, I suppose he thinks.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6533684 - 02/05/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Satan is the evil that exists in our minds, projected and personified as outer appearances. Really, we need only to look within at our three root afflictions of ignorance, craving and hatred to find the real face of Satan. Once we've solved those inner problems, then we can begin to solve the outer problems of Bush and the likes with wisdom and compassion as our skillful means.

World peace starts with one, as Ghandi and His Holiness Dalai Lama have said many times. Sometimes i wonder if anyone is listening.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6535038 - 02/05/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Lightningfractal said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Day_(Church_of_the_SubGenius)

Oh yeah right, that's me huh? :rolleyes:




I don't think so. It seems obvious that you're a pink. Otherwise you'd know the date of the end times.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MAIA]
    #6556361 - 02/11/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i didn't finish the whole thing, but it was pretty good.
the persecution that will be coming in the end time is not against all christians, but against christians who know the truth.

one of the most in-your-face deceptions of the modern christian church, is sunday worship.  nowhere is this supported in the bible.  the seventh day, the sabbath, saturday, has been God's day of worship since creation, throughout Judaism and now for Christians as well.
When Constantine decided to forcefully convert his nation to christianity, he kept the old day of worship - the day they worshiped the sun - sunday.

when confronted with these facts, and the fact that sunday worship is completely unsupported in the bible, and the 4TH COMMANDMENT that says to worship on the seventh day, they can't give any good reasons for doing it, but they just won't change. they don't even keep the sunday holy.  the bible says that the seventh day is to be kept holy - not by not doing any anything, like jews, but by activities that are uplifting, like reading the bible, spending time with family, or eating shrooms while hiking in the woods :cool:

billy graham was asked one time what he thought about the seventh-day sabbath.  he said that saturday was the biblical day of worship, but if he started preaching that, nobody would listen to him.

satan has warped christianity, and given it a bad face, to where christians are looked at as dumb, annoying sheep - as most of them are.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6557454 - 02/12/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Lightningfractal said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Day_(Church_of_the_SubGenius)

Oh yeah right, that's me huh? :rolleyes:




I don't think so. It seems obvious that you're a pink. Otherwise you'd know the date of the end times.




First, what is "a pink"? 

No one knows the exact date or time, just the season.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6557678 - 02/12/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I know the exact time and date.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6557727 - 02/12/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Of what exactly?

The end is a process, not one single event. We're around the middle of it, I'd say.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6557745 - 02/12/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The world ends July 5th, 1998 and you may die.


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Re: Christianity, US government and the biblical end of times ... is it NOW ? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6557931 - 02/12/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Just because some religious fanatics sieze on the moment to advertise their cult by proclaiming a date and time for the apocolypse doesn't mean anything.

I mean, just take look around you at what is happening in the world right now and base an idea on that. Fuck what a religious leader has to say, go with what is inside of you.


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